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Sometimes a team plays better or worse than its record. However, after looking at the advanced stats, I think the Yankees are legitimately playing sub .400 ball right now. The run differential, simple rating system, team WAR, and team WAA are all bad. The one silver lining is that almost all the pitchers' fielding independent stats are much better than their ERAs. So that means they may be having bad luck with balls dropping, or we have really bad fielding, or both. It does indicate that the pitchers have thrown a lot better than their ERAs indicate, though. The team's DWAR is -1.7, which means our fielders as a whole are doing a lot worse than a replacement level team (high minor league players) would do.

Anyone have the ESPN Insider article on why the Yankees need to be sellers?
http://espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/i...

7-3 on the homestand. Chapman is for real. A few games where we actually score more than 1 run. This road trip is going to be telling.

Anyone watching/listening to the games now?

Hard to believe the team has almost made it back to .500

Bonn1997 wrote:Hard to believe the team has almost made it back to .500

I don't expect the team to do much but hopefully they can be at least watchable and pump up the value of some of their trade chips

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Hard to believe the team has almost made it back to .500

I don't expect the team to do much but hopefully they can be at least watchable and pump up the value of some of their trade chips

Oh yeah, 5 years ago, the idea that Yankees fans were excited to have climbed back up to a .480 winning percentage would have seemed absurd.

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Hard to believe the team has almost made it back to .500

I don't expect the team to do much but hopefully they can be at least watchable and pump up the value of some of their trade chips

Oh yeah, 5 years ago, the idea that Yankees fans were excited to have climbed back up to a .480 winning percentage would have seemed absurd.

Always a ray of sunshine, Bonn.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Hard to believe the team has almost made it back to .500

I don't expect the team to do much but hopefully they can be at least watchable and pump up the value of some of their trade chips

Oh yeah, 5 years ago, the idea that Yankees fans were excited to have climbed back up to a .480 winning percentage would have seemed absurd.

Always a ray of sunshine, Bonn.

LOL - You know me!
How's this for sunshine then? I'm very optimistic that if they replace Cashman with a better GM, the GM can build a contender.

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Hard to believe the team has almost made it back to .500

I don't expect the team to do much but hopefully they can be at least watchable and pump up the value of some of their trade chips

Oh yeah, 5 years ago, the idea that Yankees fans were excited to have climbed back up to a .480 winning percentage would have seemed absurd.

Always a ray of sunshine, Bonn.

LOL - You know me!
How's this for sunshine then? I'm very optimistic that if they replace Cashman with a better GM, the GM can build a contender.

Mr. Net Negative. Only has optimism about addition by subtraction...

How about the fact that Georgie's boys aren't selling the whole farm system for some starphucque pitcher right now? Have any optimism about any of the prospects down there? Or are you so enamored with the Bosox now that you would have sold Judge, his kids, and anyone else in AAA for David Price?

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Hard to believe the team has almost made it back to .500

I don't expect the team to do much but hopefully they can be at least watchable and pump up the value of some of their trade chips

Oh yeah, 5 years ago, the idea that Yankees fans were excited to have climbed back up to a .480 winning percentage would have seemed absurd.

Always a ray of sunshine, Bonn.

LOL - You know me!
How's this for sunshine then? I'm very optimistic that if they replace Cashman with a better GM, the GM can build a contender.

Mr. Net Negative. Only has optimism about addition by subtraction...

How about the fact that Georgie's boys aren't selling the whole farm system for some starphucque pitcher right now? Have any optimism about any of the prospects down there? Or are you so enamored with the Bosox now that you would have sold Judge, his kids, and anyone else in AAA for David Price?

Eh I haven't read anything about this being a strong farm system.

Considering Hank Steinbrener put the stop sign on the spending, Cashman did a pretty good job of working with nothing and turning some pieces we can build for the future

Hard to believe CC is pitching like a strong all-star again! He's a guy who's easy to root for. I'm happy to see this.

CC better keep it up. Maybe Joe G should suggest he get some of Pineda's salary this season.
Thank God we spent the 125MM on Tanaka, or we'd really be up the creek with the starting pitching. Our ace would be CC. If it wasn't for the lousy run support, he'd probably be the ace anyway right now.

I'm happy about the bullpen though. Good morning, Good afternoon, Good night. Sure hope they figure out a way to keep Miller.

Here was the cost per win in 2015 for each team. I'm pretty sure we have taken over first place this year. You'd have to think eventually the Steinbrenners will be sick of Cashman blowing their money.

Rank     	Team	        Payroll	       Wins	Cost per Win
1	Los Angeles Dodgers	230,352,400	92	2,503,831
2	New York Yankees	213,472,900	87	2,453,711
3	Detroit Tigers	        172,792,300	74	2,335,031
4	Boston Red Sox	        168,691,900	78	2,162,717
5	Philadelphia Phillies	133,048,000	63	2,111,873
6	Washington Nationals	174,511,000	83	2,102,542
7	San Francisco Giants	166,495,900	84	1,982,095
8	Cincinnati Reds	        117,732,300	64	1,839,567
9	Los Angeles Angels	146,449,600	85	1,722,936
10	San Diego Padres	126,619,600	74	1,711,076
11	Texas Rangers      	144,816,900	88	1,645,646
12	Seattle Mariners	123,225,800	76	1,621,393
13	Baltimore Orioles	118,862,600	81	1,467,440
14	Chicago White Sox	110,712,900	76	1,456,748
15	Milwaukee Brewers	98,683,030	68	1,451,221
16	Colorado Rockies	98,261,170	68	1,445,017
17	Atlanta Braves	        89,622,650	67	1,337,652
18	Minnesota Twins	        108,262,000	83	1,304,362
19	Toronto Blue Jays	116,415,800	93	1,251,783
20	Chicago Cubs	        117,164,500	97	1,207,882
21	St. Louis Cardinals	120,302,000	100	1,203,020
22	Miami Marlins      	84,637,500	71	1,192,078
23	Kansas City Royals	112,914,500	95	1,188,574
24	Oakland Athletics	80,786,660	68	1,188,039
25	New York Mets      	100,134,000	90	1,112,600
26	Cleveland Indians	87,746,770	81	1,083,293
27	Tampa Bay Rays      	74,849,580	80	935,620
28	Pittsburgh Pirates	85,885,830	98	876,386
29	Arizona Diamondbacks	65,770,330	79	832,536
30	Houston Astros	        69,064,200	86	803,072

Bonn1997 wrote:Here was the cost per win in 2015 for each team. I'm pretty sure we have taken over first place this year. You'd have to think eventually the Steinbrenners will be sick of Cashman blowing their money.

Rank     	Team	        Payroll	       Wins	Cost per Win
1	Los Angeles Dodgers	230,352,400	92	2,503,831
2	New York Yankees	213,472,900	87	2,453,711
3	Detroit Tigers	        172,792,300	74	2,335,031
4	Boston Red Sox	        168,691,900	78	2,162,717
5	Philadelphia Phillies	133,048,000	63	2,111,873
6	Washington Nationals	174,511,000	83	2,102,542
7	San Francisco Giants	166,495,900	84	1,982,095
8	Cincinnati Reds	        117,732,300	64	1,839,567
9	Los Angeles Angels	146,449,600	85	1,722,936
10	San Diego Padres	126,619,600	74	1,711,076
11	Texas Rangers      	144,816,900	88	1,645,646
12	Seattle Mariners	123,225,800	76	1,621,393
13	Baltimore Orioles	118,862,600	81	1,467,440
14	Chicago White Sox	110,712,900	76	1,456,748
15	Milwaukee Brewers	98,683,030	68	1,451,221
16	Colorado Rockies	98,261,170	68	1,445,017
17	Atlanta Braves	        89,622,650	67	1,337,652
18	Minnesota Twins	        108,262,000	83	1,304,362
19	Toronto Blue Jays	116,415,800	93	1,251,783
20	Chicago Cubs	        117,164,500	97	1,207,882
21	St. Louis Cardinals	120,302,000	100	1,203,020
22	Miami Marlins      	84,637,500	71	1,192,078
23	Kansas City Royals	112,914,500	95	1,188,574
24	Oakland Athletics	80,786,660	68	1,188,039
25	New York Mets      	100,134,000	90	1,112,600
26	Cleveland Indians	87,746,770	81	1,083,293
27	Tampa Bay Rays      	74,849,580	80	935,620
28	Pittsburgh Pirates	85,885,830	98	876,386
29	Arizona Diamondbacks	65,770,330	79	832,536
30	Houston Astros	        69,064,200	86	803,072

They tell him to do it. Cashman is not working alone and is not like nobody knows what he's going to do. Baseball is different than basketball. Even the big boss was alive he was running Cashman crazy. Cashman goes and gets whatever they want. That makes him the man actually. The Yankees are brewing something. Teixeira is done,.. Rob refsnyder is quietly finding his home at 1st. Yankees have great pitching foundation. Maybe they are one pitcher seat from having a complete staff. The offense is piecing together. They probably need to buy or trade for some power in the outfield... I think McCann and Gardner should go if they can be moved for some power. It's all good. Yanks are on their way up.

It will be interesting to see if the team becomes sellers or desperately tries to squeeze out more wins this year. I don't think there's any quick fix that makes the team a contender. They're too far away. This is a legitimate .470 to .500 team, and I think they're legitimately on pace to be about 20 games out of first place and 25 to 30 behind the top teams in the league. No one, two, or even three transactions this year could make up for that. They have to think long-term.

Bonn1997 wrote:It will be interesting to see if the team becomes sellers or desperately tries to squeeze out more wins this year. I don't think there's any quick fix that makes the team a contender. They're too far away. This is a legitimate .470 to .500 team, and I think they're legitimately on pace to be about 20 games out of first place and 25 to 30 behind the top teams in the league. No one, two, or even three transactions this year could make up for that. They have to think long-term.

I've said this before. I can't wait for them to blow. it. up. I think they can great deals for all three of our great relievers. I think they can get a great deal for Beltran. I'm sure we could get assets for Garnder and Ellsbury. I don't know what can be done with ARod and Texeira but fuck it let's get these conversations started.

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:It will be interesting to see if the team becomes sellers or desperately tries to squeeze out more wins this year. I don't think there's any quick fix that makes the team a contender. They're too far away. This is a legitimate .470 to .500 team, and I think they're legitimately on pace to be about 20 games out of first place and 25 to 30 behind the top teams in the league. No one, two, or even three transactions this year could make up for that. They have to think long-term.

I've said this before. I can't wait for them to blow. it. up. I think they can great deals for all three of our great relievers. I think they can get a great deal for Beltran. I'm sure we could get assets for Garnder and Ellsbury. I don't know what can be done with ARod and Texeira but fuck it let's get these conversations started.

Yeah, if I could get assets for any veteran in his 30s on the team, I'd do that. And I think you're right the team over-invested in the bullpen. What's the point in having 3 awesome relievers on a .480 team?! The bullpen should be the finishing touch after the rest of the team is built, not the centerpiece of your team. They don't pitch enough innings. If it was a 3 inning game, it would be a different story.

Also, as much as I love CC, this would be a perfect time to sell high. I think he has a no-trade clause but maybe he'd rather go to a contender anyway.

According to ESPN:

Executives with other teams say they haven't been told specifically by the Yankees that New York will execute a sell-off before the Aug. 1 trade deadline. Yankees owner Hal Steinbrenner has not exactly climbed a mountain and shouted his intentions.

But rival evaluators say the Yankees are taking offers for Andrew Miller, Aroldis Chapman and other players right now, setting up the team to execute trades quickly whenever the club's leadership decides to refocus the organization's efforts on 2017.

That's good. I'm not convinced Cashman and the Steinbrenners actually know what they're doing though.

Bonn1997 wrote:According to ESPN:

Executives with other teams say they haven't been told specifically by the Yankees that New York will execute a sell-off before the Aug. 1 trade deadline. Yankees owner Hal Steinbrenner has not exactly climbed a mountain and shouted his intentions.

But rival evaluators say the Yankees are taking offers for Andrew Miller, Aroldis Chapman and other players right now, setting up the team to execute trades quickly whenever the club's leadership decides to refocus the organization's efforts on 2017.

That's good. I'm not convinced Cashman and the Steinbrenners actually know what they're doing though.

Hopefully Hank gets you on the line to counsel Cashman before they start the actual deconstruction.

Hey, I hear this Didi guy is doing quite well this season... now who brought him here?