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djsunyc @ 5/28/2008 11:16 AM
there's alot of yankee fans that don't recognize this as a transition year and are panicking big time. i don't get it.
djsunyc @ 5/28/2008 11:17 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:

don't worry, help is on the way... JB Cox is doing very well so far in AAA & Mark Melancon just had a very encouraging extended outing in middle relief at Trenton AA... between Edwar (who's also been pitching tremendously so far) & those 2 kids we should have some options to replace Joba in the setup role... hopefully 1 of those kids has that same closer's mentality & can get the job done in high pressure situations... the only time i wanna see LaTroy Hawkins pitching for the Yankees again is in mopup duty... Farns isn't suited for the 8th inning role either cuz he's way too inconsistent & gives up too many longballs.

I'm really interested in seeing what Cox and Melancon can do at this level. Edwar is pitching great so far. The commentators last night made a good point about how he's throwing a little bit harder this year which makes his devastating changeup even better. Humberto Sanchez is close to pitching again after Tommy John surgery but he's a guy who could make an impact next year. Same with Andrew Brackman.

MARK MELANCON picked up the action in the top of the 4th inning from the suspended game with no outs and runners on 1st and 3rd base. He got the first batter to line out to 3rd baseman Keven Russo who made a nice play. The next batter hit into a doubleplay (3-6-3) to get out of the inherited jam........In the 5th inning he got the first batter on a flyout to Jose Tabata in rightfield in front of the warning track. He walked the 2nd batter on 4 pitches. He then got a foul popout to the catcher Eladio Rodriquez. The next batter got an infield single to 2nd base. A groundout to shortstop was the final out of the scoreless 5th inning....... In the 6th inning. Melancon got a groundout to 2nd, a single to rightfield, and a 5-4-3 doubleplay for a scoreless 6th inning......Melancon also pitched a perfect 7th inning getting 2 groundouts to short and 2nd and a strikeout.

Melancon's line: 4 innings, 0 runs, 2 hits (1 infield), 1 strikeout---1 walk. In 4 games since being promoted to Trenton covering 11 innings Melancon has only allowed 1 run. Melancon left the game with a 3-1 lead.

AUSTIN JACKSON got a key hit with a 2-rbi double to give Trenton the 3-1 lead in the 5th inning. Jackson also singled in the 4th and struckout in the 7th.

JOSE TABATA reached on an error leading off the 5th inning and scored the tying run at the time at 1-1. Tabata added 2 singles in the 6th and 9th innings.
TMS @ 5/28/2008 3:32 PM
^ that post looks mighty familiar dj.
TMS @ 5/28/2008 3:41 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:

i've conducted a few carefully researched scientific studies on this matter & i think i've finally deduced the real reason for Jason Giambi's power resurgence...

the 'stache.


So it had nothing to do with this:


i think the combination of the thong & the stache has led to his sustained power at the plate... usually the thong only works for a couple days but this time Jason's been hot for about a month now... the laws of natural physics & bioenergetics are all being played out here.
TMS @ 5/28/2008 8:04 PM
the 'stache strikes again.
4949 @ 5/28/2008 8:06 PM
Posted by TMS:

the 'stache strikes again.

Bonn1997 @ 5/28/2008 10:41 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

there's alot of yankee fans that don't recognize this as a transition year and are panicking big time. i don't get it.

You don't post at at the zone forums. So you don't realize that I wanted Cashman replaced a long time ago and what I've said has nothing to do with this one season. You may have been referring to other people, though, anyway.
4949 @ 5/29/2008 2:10 AM
All I know is, minus the injuries, the Yankees are neck and neck (at least) for first place with the bo-sux.
Bonn1997 @ 5/29/2008 7:33 AM
Posted by 4949:

All I know is, minus the injuries, the Yankees are neck and neck (at least) for first place with the bo-sux.

What's Boston's record minus all relevant injuries?
TMS @ 5/29/2008 12:58 PM
any answers for the questions i posed to you on the other thread Bonn?
Bonn1997 @ 5/30/2008 7:28 AM
Posted by TMS:

any answers for the questions i posed to you on the other thread Bonn?
Look, I think a small percentage of Cashman's trades/FA signings work out well. What percentage would you honestly say work out well? You try to make the criticisms about *me* by asking my positions on each deal going back many years. I don't remember which signings I opposed several years ago, and I don't care. As a fan, it's not my job to be a better GM than Cashman; I'm not running to be his replacement. I am able to spot someone who bats a low percentage though (on trades and FA signings).

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-30-2008 07:28 AM]
TMS @ 5/30/2008 5:13 PM
the only deal i heard you oppose was not trading for Johan... u said the guy's made at least 13 horrible FA signings since he's been the GM... which ones were they? i gave u 3 moves that i killed when the guy made them & i'm not even the one killing him here, you are... anyone can note which moves haven't worked out & which ones have... it's not that hard to play armchair GM after the fact... i'm not trying to attack you here but when u come out with generic criticisms of a GM or player i think it's fair to ask which exact moves you didn't like & which ones you did... i think i've offered a bunch of moves that Cashman has made that has helped this franchise win ballgames, so you saying a small percentage of his trades & FA signings ever work out well for us just isn't true... he's not the perfect GM out there & he's made his share of mistakes just like any GM in baseball has, but to knock the guy for being an incompetent GM is going overboard.
4949 @ 5/30/2008 9:36 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by 4949:

All I know is, minus the injuries, the Yankees are neck and neck (at least) for first place with the bo-sux.

What's Boston's record minus all relevant injuries?

Wouldn't you agree with our offense in tack the whole time, we would at least have six more wins up? I would call that neck-n-neck.
Bonn1997 @ 5/31/2008 7:15 AM
Posted by TMS:

the only deal i heard you oppose was not trading for Johan... u said the guy's made at least 13 horrible FA signings since he's been the GM... which ones were they? i gave u 3 moves that i killed when the guy made them & i'm not even the one killing him here, you are... anyone can note which moves haven't worked out & which ones have... it's not that hard to play armchair GM after the fact... i'm not trying to attack you here but when u come out with generic criticisms of a GM or player i think it's fair to ask which exact moves you didn't like & which ones you did... i think i've offered a bunch of moves that Cashman has made that has helped this franchise win ballgames, so you saying a small percentage of his trades & FA signings ever work out well for us just isn't true... he's not the perfect GM out there & he's made his share of mistakes just like any GM in baseball has, but to knock the guy for being an incompetent GM is going overboard.
I didn't say he was incompetent. I think he's below average at FA signings and trades but good at getting prospects for the farm system. (But one out of three isn't good enough.) He's made a lot of bad FA signings from Pavano to Clemens last year. I'm on vacation and I don't have time to go through the whole list. If you put a list of all his FA signings, I'll write which ones I think worked and which didn't.
Bonn1997 @ 5/31/2008 7:16 AM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by 4949:

All I know is, minus the injuries, the Yankees are neck and neck (at least) for first place with the bo-sux.

What's Boston's record minus all relevant injuries?

Wouldn't you agree with our offense in tack the whole time, we would at least have six more wins up? I would call that neck-n-neck.

So if you wipe out all our injuries but none of Boston's, we'd be neck and neck. That's hardly a fair comparison
TMS @ 5/31/2008 9:54 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:

the only deal i heard you oppose was not trading for Johan... u said the guy's made at least 13 horrible FA signings since he's been the GM... which ones were they? i gave u 3 moves that i killed when the guy made them & i'm not even the one killing him here, you are... anyone can note which moves haven't worked out & which ones have... it's not that hard to play armchair GM after the fact... i'm not trying to attack you here but when u come out with generic criticisms of a GM or player i think it's fair to ask which exact moves you didn't like & which ones you did... i think i've offered a bunch of moves that Cashman has made that has helped this franchise win ballgames, so you saying a small percentage of his trades & FA signings ever work out well for us just isn't true... he's not the perfect GM out there & he's made his share of mistakes just like any GM in baseball has, but to knock the guy for being an incompetent GM is going overboard.
I didn't say he was incompetent. I think he's below average at FA signings and trades but good at getting prospects for the farm system. (But one out of three isn't good enough.) He's made a lot of bad FA signings from Pavano to Clemens last year. I'm on vacation and I don't have time to go through the whole list. If you put a list of all his FA signings, I'll write which ones I think worked and which didn't.

you're criticizing the man for making horrible decisions & you don't even know which ones they were?
TMS @ 6/1/2008 1:21 AM
btw, have fun on ur vacation!
Bonn1997 @ 6/1/2008 1:32 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:

the only deal i heard you oppose was not trading for Johan... u said the guy's made at least 13 horrible FA signings since he's been the GM... which ones were they? i gave u 3 moves that i killed when the guy made them & i'm not even the one killing him here, you are... anyone can note which moves haven't worked out & which ones have... it's not that hard to play armchair GM after the fact... i'm not trying to attack you here but when u come out with generic criticisms of a GM or player i think it's fair to ask which exact moves you didn't like & which ones you did... i think i've offered a bunch of moves that Cashman has made that has helped this franchise win ballgames, so you saying a small percentage of his trades & FA signings ever work out well for us just isn't true... he's not the perfect GM out there & he's made his share of mistakes just like any GM in baseball has, but to knock the guy for being an incompetent GM is going overboard.
I didn't say he was incompetent. I think he's below average at FA signings and trades but good at getting prospects for the farm system. (But one out of three isn't good enough.) He's made a lot of bad FA signings from Pavano to Clemens last year. I'm on vacation and I don't have time to go through the whole list. If you put a list of all his FA signings, I'll write which ones I think worked and which didn't.

you're criticizing the man for making horrible decisions & you don't even know which ones they were?
No, I do know. I don't have time to list them all though. Again, you provide the list of all his major moves (if you really want to know my views) and I'll give you my view of each.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 06-01-2008 01:33 AM]
Bonn1997 @ 6/1/2008 1:34 AM
Posted by TMS:

btw, have fun on ur vacation!

Thanks! It was more of a work-related vacation. (I was looking for and found a home to purchase.)

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 06-01-2008 01:34 AM]
4949 @ 6/1/2008 2:29 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by 4949:

All I know is, minus the injuries, the Yankees are neck and neck (at least) for first place with the bo-sux.

What's Boston's record minus all relevant injuries?

Wouldn't you agree with our offense in tack the whole time, we would at least have six more wins up? I would call that neck-n-neck.

So if you wipe out all our injuries but none of Boston's, we'd be neck and neck. That's hardly a fair comparison

Like I said Bonn, if you wipe out all of our injuries (at least A-Rod, Pettitte and Posada), we're neck and neck right now with baston.

I don't give a fuck' about baston's injuries and wasn't referring to their injuries.

It they all came back and got ahead of us again, then it would be different story.

Besides, we have had just as many injuries as they have had and not one of them matches up to our loss of A-Rod and Posada. And now that ortiz is out, we have a chance to do some catching up. Don't include ancient ass schilling either!
TMS @ 6/1/2008 6:27 PM
Dan Giese or JB Cox have to be better options than LaTroy Hawkins... DFA that loser already & send him packing w/our favorite Yankee Morgan Ensberg... i don't want him soiling that #21 jersey a moment longer.
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