Posted by jaydh:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Hoopsmeister:
LOL, The Yankmes still think they can buy a title, LOL They couldn't buy one the last few years, now they spend even more and they still won't win one, what a joke!. LOL
The Mets thought they could buy Johan Santana and just make the playoffs. What a joke! lol.
The mets bought santana or traded for him? right.
Well seeing how Santana agreed to the trade on the condition that the Mets give him a new contract, it wouldn't be wrong to say they bought him. And they had to give up several prospects for him which means they paid twice.
Paid twice, lol. And when teams sign typeAs they don't give up draft picks or anything.
Signing a free agent costs you a single draft pick. The Mets gave up 5 prospects and still had to sign Santana to what amounts to a free agent deal.
I'm glad to see that you're not going to argue that Santana only agreed to the trade on the condition that he get a fat new contract.
Considering the way the yanks draft overslot and what the mets gave up(according to TMS) that draft pick is probably worth more.
Sorry but the Mets are stupid to not pay over the arbitrary slot system put out by the commissioners office. The Yankees are hardly the only ones. But not every GM has a debt to pay to the commissioner for making him a GM in the first place.
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by islesfan:
No, the Yankees had an offer early on and took it off the table soon after when it became obvious that the incompetent Twins GM was going to play the Yankees, Boston and the Mets off each other as hard as he could.
whatever helps you sleep
I really wonder where you get your info from. It was a great move for the Mets, even if Santana has shows signs of being in decline, and they had to do it but let's not pretend that it didn't happen the way it did.
Posted by islesfan:
Sorry but the Mets are stupid to not pay over the arbitrary slot system put out by the commissioners office. The Yankees are hardly the only ones. But not every GM has a debt to pay to the commissioner for making him a GM in the first place.
Mets have never done it, it has nothing to do with the GM and in total not many teams do it at all. This is why high ceiling players with big bonuses slip to the yanks and sox at the end of rounds. I do wish the Mets did it, they have no reason not too.
Berthiaume & his Boston lovin' sidekick are having a conniption over the Yankees' spending on ESPN right now... hilarious.
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by islesfan:
No, the Yankees had an offer early on and took it off the table soon after when it became obvious that the incompetent Twins GM was going to play the Yankees, Boston and the Mets off each other as hard as he could.
whatever helps you sleep
I really wonder where you get your info from. It was a great move for the Mets, even if Santana has shows signs of being in decline, and they had to do it but let's not pretend that it didn't happen the way it did.
I know, trust the papers rather than the horses mouth or other people in baseball(i don't feel the need to reveal my personal connections).
an interesting development w/the Teixeira signing as reported on Olney's blog today:
Losers: The Brewers. Part of their rationale in making the blockbuster trade for Sabathia was that, at season's end, they could recoup the value of the lefty, in part, by receiving a first-round draft pick from the team that signed him. Well, because Teixeira ranks higher than Sabathia in the Elias rankings, then it is the Angels -- and not the Brewers -- who get the Yankees' first round pick. The Brewers, rather, will get the Yankees' second round pick, an enormous disappointment for Milwaukee.
Doug Melvin, the Brewers' general manager, believes the draft compensation system needs to be revamped, as he explained in an e-mail this morning:
"The Angels had a better record than us and the Blue Jays, and the Brewers and the Blue Jays got shoved down the food chain. The Elias rankings have never been changed, and there are so many smart statistical gurus -- Bill James, etc. -- that could create a fair model for both players and teams, who should be compensated fairly according to the value of each player to that team. Last year, Geoff Jenkins, who had a nice career with us and was arguably one of our better players, was not even ranked last year, and Tony Graffanino, a part-time player, was ranked. We have dropped 46 slots in the 2009 draft, and we will be dropping even more because there are so many compensation picks. The second round will be almost the third round, in the way that it will develop."
"The Yankees will lose some draft picks, but they can draft unsignable players in fourth and fifth rounds, and pay over-slot, as they did with Andrew Brackman (the Yankees' No. 1 pick in 2007).
"The Draft Elias rankings and compensation needs to be changed. I do not want to sound like I'm whining, but teams who have to build with draft picks get frustrated. I had interest in Juan Cruz, and because I thought we had extra first-round picks for CC and for Ben Sheets, I had considered a Type A signing. Now I have to reconsider."
"We will keep having fun with scouting and player development, and finding our role players. Brian [Cashman] has to do what his owners and market asks him to do."
Good, screw the Brewers for opening their mouths when the Yankees made their initial offer to Sabathia.
i love it. yanks fan's make a big free agent signing and all non yankee fans on these boards come in and try to hate on it. too funny.
yanks have the best ownership group in sports. they have made the yankees a franchise trademark and a world entity. they re-invest in their business which means yankee fans will always know that their team will have a chance to win.
mets paid $150+ to santana (if the last year kicks in) to come and play for them - they BOUGHT him. saying otherwise is just a silly statement.
other owners can bitch and moan about the yanks and their spending yet the yanks are cutting checks and giving owners millions while they DO NOT reinvest in their team. so if there is to be a salary cap, then there needs to be a minimum $$$ spent b/c you can't have teams with $25 mil payrolls. but there will never be a cap b/c the yanks make too much money for the league.
i LOVE being a yankees fan.
Posted by TMS:
an interesting development w/the Teixeira signing as reported on Olney's blog today:
Losers: The Brewers. Part of their rationale in making the blockbuster trade for Sabathia was that, at season's end, they could recoup the value of the lefty, in part, by receiving a first-round draft pick from the team that signed him. Well, because Teixeira ranks higher than Sabathia in the Elias rankings, then it is the Angels -- and not the Brewers -- who get the Yankees' first round pick. The Brewers, rather, will get the Yankees' second round pick, an enormous disappointment for Milwaukee.
Doug Melvin, the Brewers' general manager, believes the draft compensation system needs to be revamped, as he explained in an e-mail this morning:
"The Angels had a better record than us and the Blue Jays, and the Brewers and the Blue Jays got shoved down the food chain. The Elias rankings have never been changed, and there are so many smart statistical gurus -- Bill James, etc. -- that could create a fair model for both players and teams, who should be compensated fairly according to the value of each player to that team. Last year, Geoff Jenkins, who had a nice career with us and was arguably one of our better players, was not even ranked last year, and Tony Graffanino, a part-time player, was ranked. We have dropped 46 slots in the 2009 draft, and we will be dropping even more because there are so many compensation picks. The second round will be almost the third round, in the way that it will develop."
"The Yankees will lose some draft picks, but they can draft unsignable players in fourth and fifth rounds, and pay over-slot, as they did with Andrew Brackman (the Yankees' No. 1 pick in 2007).
"The Draft Elias rankings and compensation needs to be changed. I do not want to sound like I'm whining, but teams who have to build with draft picks get frustrated. I had interest in Juan Cruz, and because I thought we had extra first-round picks for CC and for Ben Sheets, I had considered a Type A signing. Now I have to reconsider."
"We will keep having fun with scouting and player development, and finding our role players. Brian [Cashman] has to do what his owners and market asks him to do."
Joel Sherman made an interesting point that it was between signing Texeira this year or Holliday next year in a very weak free agent year. By signing Texeira now, they fill a greater need, with a better player and they don't lose another first rd pick next year, assuming they don't sign a top A free agent.
Posted by djsunyc:
i love it. yanks fan's make a big free agent signing and all non yankee fans on these boards come in and try to hate on it. too funny.
yanks have the best ownership group in sports. they have made the yankees a franchise trademark and a world entity. they re-invest in their business which means yankee fans will always know that their team will have a chance to win.
mets paid $150+ to santana (if the last year kicks in) to come and play for them - they BOUGHT him. saying otherwise is just a silly statement.
other owners can bitch and moan about the yanks and their spending yet the yanks are cutting checks and giving owners millions while they DO NOT reinvest in their team. so if there is to be a salary cap, then there needs to be a minimum $$$ spent b/c you can't have teams with $25 mil payrolls. but there will never be a cap b/c the yanks make too much money for the league.
i LOVE being a yankees fan.
It is pretty cool. It's a great business model that they've developed and with the new Stadium, it'll only get better. But they have to be competitive every year. Lucky for them, that with the revenue streams that they have, they'll always be able to buy the best free agents out there. Their big problem is paying too much to hold onto the older players that they've won with. The Posada contract is going to be an albatross to the end, especially since 1st base is no longer an option and Pettitte needs to take their offer soon or it's time to find another 5th starter. It'll be interesting to see what they do when Jeter's contract expires. I'd like to see him move to the OF, CF if possible. If Robin Yount can do it and be an all star at both positions and a Hall of Famer, there's no reason why Jeter can't.
and the yanks are basically giving fans a free game the 1st game of the season. yes, a small gesture, but a gesture that no other sports team will do.
thank goodness my father was a reggie jackson fan back in the 70's. imagine i had to grow up watching dave kingman?
[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-24-2008 4:06 PM]
Posted by djsunyc:
i love it. yanks fan's make a big free agent signing and all non yankee fans on these boards come in and try to hate on it. too funny.
yanks have the best ownership group in sports. they have made the yankees a franchise trademark and a world entity. they re-invest in their business which means yankee fans will always know that their team will have a chance to win.
mets paid $150+ to santana (if the last year kicks in) to come and play for them - they BOUGHT him. saying otherwise is just a silly statement.
other owners can bitch and moan about the yanks and their spending yet the yanks are cutting checks and giving owners millions while they DO NOT reinvest in their team. so if there is to be a salary cap, then there needs to be a minimum $$$ spent b/c you can't have teams with $25 mil payrolls. but there will never be a cap b/c the yanks make too much money for the league.
i LOVE being a yankees fan.
REAL TALK HERE!!!
Its funny, its only "buying" players when the Yankees do it. All these other teams go on free agent shopping sprees all the time and all you hear is how aggressive and smart their front offices are. But the minute the Yankees do it, the whole world is coming to an end.
No other organization is as envied and despised as the Yankees. Its all pure jealousy.
considering tex makes $18 mil next year and giambi was making $23.5 - the yanks are being CHEAP...
“Man, that’s crazy,” Angels center fielder Torii Hunter said. “Those da mn Yankees! They don’t play around. When they’re trying to win, they’re trying to win. It’s crazy. They just paid $27 million in luxury tax. That’s like 27 dollars to them. They don’t even care.”
Said Hunter: “They’re scary. Their rotation is one of the best, if not the best, in the game, and now look at their lineup. They have A-Rod, Jeter, Teixeira, Hideki Matsui, Xavier Nady, Robinson Cano, Jorge Posada is coming back [from injury], Nick Swisher . . . golly, that’s a nice lineup.”
“That’s going to be a dogfight, a pit-bull fight,” Hunter said. “It’s going to be pretty rough in that division. Tampa Bay has the confidence. Boston has won two championships. Toronto and Baltimore play you hard too. Good luck in that division.
“They’ve had the best lineup I’ve seen for seven years in a row and they haven’t won it all,” Hunter said. “They can still be beat. It will take dedication, hard work, and you’ve got to have heart. When you have that, you have a chance.”
“They’re the Beasts of the East,” Hunter said. “The Evil Empire.”
Posted by djsunyc:
considering tex makes $18 mil next year and giambi was making $23.5 - the yanks are being CHEAP...
For all the bellyaching from the haters, more than likely we will have a payroll that will be either lower than last year's, or around the same number.
The Yankees are going to be a problem for not only next year, but in the coming ones. A major problem. People know this. Yanks are not playing any games right now. It's gonna be a long year.
Punk ass owners are getting exposed more than anything. They pocket the money and whine.
i'm not sure if people are aware of this but teams don't have fixed prices for games. they have flex prices where they charge more for tix vs. better opponents. every yankee road game basically sells out and owners make more money at the gate b/c of it.
i love it. i am embracing all this evil empire stuff. everyone hates us and espn is feeding the frenzy big time. they are providing only negatives about this offseason. it's amazing how biased those guys are...
Posted by djsunyc:
espn is feeding the frenzy big time. they are providing only negatives about this offseason. it's amazing how biased those guys are...
they really are...
they are setting up good theater to help their bottom line but their journalistic integrity, or whatever was remaining of it, has all but evaporated.
Posted by djsunyc:
“Man, that’s crazy,” Angels center fielder Torii Hunter said. “Those da mn Yankees! They don’t play around. When they’re trying to win, they’re trying to win. It’s crazy. They just paid $27 million in luxury tax. That’s like 27 dollars to them. They don’t even care.”
Said Hunter: “They’re scary. Their rotation is one of the best, if not the best, in the game, and now look at their lineup. They have A-Rod, Jeter, Teixeira, Hideki Matsui, Xavier Nady, Robinson Cano, Jorge Posada is coming back [from injury], Nick Swisher . . . golly, that’s a nice lineup.”
“That’s going to be a dogfight, a pit-bull fight,” Hunter said. “It’s going to be pretty rough in that division. Tampa Bay has the confidence. Boston has won two championships. Toronto and Baltimore play you hard too. Good luck in that division.
“They’ve had the best lineup I’ve seen for seven years in a row and they haven’t won it all,” Hunter said. “They can still be beat. It will take dedication, hard work, and you’ve got to have heart. When you have that, you have a chance.”
“They’re the Beasts of the East,” Hunter said. “The Evil Empire.”
He should of signed with the yanks.....just read those quotes....the mofo wants to be a yankee so bad it isn't funny
He's right about one thing.....yanks haven't won since 2000. all the haters need to stfu and worry about their own teams.
[Edited by - enyspree on 25-12-2008 02:26 AM]
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by djsunyc:
“Man, that’s crazy,” Angels center fielder Torii Hunter said. “Those da mn Yankees! They don’t play around. When they’re trying to win, they’re trying to win. It’s crazy. They just paid $27 million in luxury tax. That’s like 27 dollars to them. They don’t even care.”
Said Hunter: “They’re scary. Their rotation is one of the best, if not the best, in the game, and now look at their lineup. They have A-Rod, Jeter, Teixeira, Hideki Matsui, Xavier Nady, Robinson Cano, Jorge Posada is coming back [from injury], Nick Swisher . . . golly, that’s a nice lineup.”
“That’s going to be a dogfight, a pit-bull fight,” Hunter said. “It’s going to be pretty rough in that division. Tampa Bay has the confidence. Boston has won two championships. Toronto and Baltimore play you hard too. Good luck in that division.
“They’ve had the best lineup I’ve seen for seven years in a row and they haven’t won it all,” Hunter said. “They can still be beat. It will take dedication, hard work, and you’ve got to have heart. When you have that, you have a chance.”
“They’re the Beasts of the East,” Hunter said. “The Evil Empire.”
He should of signed with the yanks.....just read those quotes....the mofo wants to be a yankee so bad it isn't funny
He's right about one thing.....yanks haven't won since 2000. all the haters need to stfu and worry about their own teams.
[Edited by - enyspree on 25-12-2008 02:26 AM]
i know he wanted to come here when he was a FA & i wanted the Yanks to go after him too instead of Johnny Damon, but that 5 year $90 million dollar deal he signed w/the Halos is pretty huge... i guess Cashman made the right call there cuz Damon's coming off the books after this season & we got our young prospects waiting in the wings to take over.
the Yanks haven't won since 2000 but they've been to 3 World Series in the past 8 years which no other team can say other than Boston... of course, for some that's just not enough & they expect us to win a championship every year w/our payroll... the Yankees simply cannot win in public opinion... if they win a championship it's because they were supposed to win it w/their huge payroll... if they don't win a championship then it's a disgrace all of a sudden... meanwhile the franchise has won more championships during their history than half the league put together... i sorta think they know what they're doing.
word....26 championships.....just say that and it will shut a hater right up. especially a Mets fan. there's no way around it.....yankees can lose for the next 20 years and still have 26 championships. holla if you hear me.
Posted by EnySpree:
word....26 championships.....just say that and it will shut a hater right up. especially a Mets fan. there's no way around it.....yankees can lose for the next 20 years and still have 26 championships. holla if you hear me.
mets fans can never say anything b/c of 2000. growing up, that's what everyone wanted to see, mets vs. yanks in the world series, it happened and the yanks won in 5 games. end of debate.
