I say no. I am already concerned with the lax values and morals exhibited by a large portion of our population. When will the madness end? Plus, anyway, some things are better left covered to be discovered later. It tastes better.
Posted by orangeblobman:
I say no. I am already concerned with the lax values and morals exhibited by a large portion of our population. When will the madness end? Plus, anyway, some things are better left covered to be discovered later. It tastes better.
Another human beings body has absolutely nothing to do with moral or values. What do women's breast represent sin or something? I missed that day in Catholic School.
Would you want your daughter to? If the answer is no then I think you know how to vote.
It does insofar as we live in a complex society where interdependence is more accentuated than ever before. When a woman, or man, is walking down the street half naked, this represents, to me, a failure in morals and values of our society as a whole. In short, I ask, is nothing sacred anymore?
I am all for boobies and stuff, sure, but whatever happened to decency? Is that so crazy to say?
Posted by orangeblobman:
It does insofar as we live in a complex society where interdependence is more accentuated than ever before. When a woman, or man, is walking down the street half naked, this represents, to me, a failure in morals and values of our society as a whole. In short, I ask, is nothing sacred anymore?
I am all for boobies and stuff, sure, but whatever happened to decency? Is that so crazy to say?
Even a man without a shirt on bothers you? We come into this world naked and for much of our deep ancestral history have not been concerned about covering every piece of skin. All the clothing stuff you see now is artificial in regards to human history and the that of other animals.
Posted by orangeblobman:
It does insofar as we live in a complex society where interdependence is more accentuated than ever before. When a woman, or man, is walking down the street half naked, this represents, to me, a failure in morals and values of our society as a whole. In short, I ask, is nothing sacred anymore?
I am all for boobies and stuff, sure, but whatever happened to decency? Is that so crazy to say?
I am in no way saying that everywhere is appropriate to me half naked but if I can look at some fat ass guy on the beach with his male breasts on display then woman should also be allowed to be topless in that type of setting.
Decency is the eye of the beholder. However, if you took away the fact that breasts are a part of a womans body used to stimulate sexuality, then I'd say it's fine to let them be exposed. However, the fact in the matter is that they ARE a sexual stimulate. It turns on most men just to look at them and it turns on women to have them touched (By the right guy of course) and it turns some women on if guys are just looking at them.
Therefore, it's best to keep things the way they are.
Nothing sinful about breasts though. I don't know why so many religious extremists say they are. It turns people on, but getting turned on does not equate to pre maritial sex!!!
Well that's a different thing entirely. Topless beaches, sure. Yes, without a doubt. But I misunderstood, sorry, I thought you meant in public in general. Like the movies and whatnot.
Posted by Allanfan20:
Decency is the eye of the beholder. However, if you took away the fact that breasts are a part of a womans body used to stimulate sexuality, then I'd say it's fine to let them be exposed. However, the fact in the matter is that they ARE a sexual stimulate. It turns on most men just to look at them and it turns on women to have them touched (By the right guy of course) and it turns some women on if guys are just looking at them.
Therefore, it's best to keep things the way they are.
Nothing sinful about breasts though. I don't know why so many religious extremists say they are. It turns people on, but getting turned on does not equate to pre maritial sex!!!
A man with a buff chest won't turn on anyone? Some people find woman's legs erotic should that also be covered up? And why should woman submit to special rules simply because a man might get turned on by it? A bit unfair don't you think.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by orangeblobman:
It does insofar as we live in a complex society where interdependence is more accentuated than ever before. When a woman, or man, is walking down the street half naked, this represents, to me, a failure in morals and values of our society as a whole. In short, I ask, is nothing sacred anymore?
I am all for boobies and stuff, sure, but whatever happened to decency? Is that so crazy to say?
Even a man without a shirt on bothers you? We come into this world naked and for much of our deep ancestral history have not been concerned about covering every piece of skin. All the clothing stuff you see now is artificial in regards to human history and the that of other animals.
I understand that it is 'artificial'. But that is, to me, progress. The Human mind, the intellect, develops as we go on. What was alright for the cave or bushman, is not alright today. Roads are 'artificial' and so are cars, and airplanes-- but who would argue that they are bad?
Morals, ethics, values represent human advancement, progress, development of the mind. It takes a higher order mind to think of and make use of such abstract concepts as ethics.
[Edited by - orangeblobman on 04-18-2009 12:06 PM]
Posted by orangeblobman:
Well that's a different thing entirely. Topless beaches, sure. Yes, without a doubt. But I misunderstood, sorry, I thought you meant in public in general. Like the movies and whatnot.
I referenced gender equality and as such meant that women could go topless anywhere a man could.
Posted by GKFv2:
Would you want your daughter to? If the answer is no then I think you know how to vote.
Well I don't think I'd want her doing a wet t-shirt contest either but you can't make everything that you don't want your daughter to do illegal!
No one said about making anything illegal. You can't force someone to behave a certain way. But the fact remains that, in some ways, walking around in revealing clothing, for example, takes the focus away from the intellect and puts it on the physical.
Now, there is nothing wrong with being healthy and fit, but since the mind is the hallmark, the thing that separates man and beast, anything that goes against this is, or should be, considered regression.
Posted by orangeblobman:
No one said about making anything illegal. You can't force someone to behave a certain way. But the fact remains that, in some ways, walking around in revealing clothing, for example, takes the focus away from the intellect and puts it on the physical.
Now, there is nothing wrong with being healthy and fit, but since the mind is the hallmark, the thing that separates man and beast, anything that goes against this is, or should be, considered regression.
Well it currently is illegal in most places in the US for a woman to go topless. (So I didn't think it needed to be said.)
Posted by orangeblobman:
No one said about making anything illegal. You can't force someone to behave a certain way. But the fact remains that, in some ways, walking around in revealing clothing, for example, takes the focus away from the intellect and puts it on the physical.
Now, there is nothing wrong with being healthy and fit, but since the mind is the hallmark, the thing that separates man and beast, anything that goes against this is, or should be, considered regression.
Why is it necessary to do everything we can to make sure we separate ourselves from other animals? I have a great love and appreciation for nature and animals and would rather be more like than unlike them.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by orangeblobman:
No one said about making anything illegal. You can't force someone to behave a certain way. But the fact remains that, in some ways, walking around in revealing clothing, for example, takes the focus away from the intellect and puts it on the physical.
Now, there is nothing wrong with being healthy and fit, but since the mind is the hallmark, the thing that separates man and beast, anything that goes against this is, or should be, considered regression.
Why is it necessary to do everything we can to make sure we separate ourselves from other animals? I have a great love and appreciation for nature and animals and would rather be more like than unlike them.
Some people flip out over women breast feeding. I think if anything orangeblobman is making a case that men or more like animals then unlike them. This idea that humans in particular men are unable to control themselves if a woman's breasts are on displayed. I
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Allanfan20:
Decency is the eye of the beholder. However, if you took away the fact that breasts are a part of a womans body used to stimulate sexuality, then I'd say it's fine to let them be exposed. However, the fact in the matter is that they ARE a sexual stimulate. It turns on most men just to look at them and it turns on women to have them touched (By the right guy of course) and it turns some women on if guys are just looking at them.
Therefore, it's best to keep things the way they are.
Nothing sinful about breasts though. I don't know why so many religious extremists say they are. It turns people on, but getting turned on does not equate to pre maritial sex!!!
A man with a buff chest won't turn on anyone? Some people find woman's legs erotic should that also be covered up? And why should woman submit to special rules simply because a man might get turned on by it? A bit unfair don't you think.
A man with a buff chest will turn lots of women on and a woman with nice legs will turn lots of men on (Including myself.) However, the breasts ARE sexual glands. Legs aren't and neither is a mans buff chest. Touching a womans breasts automatically stimulates sexuality and in THIS society, we cover the sexual glands up.
However, if you want to change society and be like certain other cultures and we just walk around completely naked, then I get your arguement. However, if you're going to allow women to walk around topless, then you might as well just tell people to walk around naked, in my humble opinion. That's b/c in a realistic perspective, the breast, vagina and penis are THE PRIME sexual stimulators. That is a fact. Much more so than a mans chest or a womans legs. And those are what we cover up and that's what most people feel comfortable covering up.
Perhaps I should have made myself a little more clear. Sorry.
And for he record, it has nothing to do with gender equality. It just so happens that woman have more prime external sexual stimulators then men. It's how nature or God or both (Whichever you prefer) chose it to be. American and most European (I think) society decided to say cover up your sexual stimulants.
From a personal perspective (And it is sexual) I prefer them to be covered up b/c I'd rather have that mystery and be able to unveil it. Whether most men agree, I don't know. That's just me personally though, and if it were up to me, I would keep it the way it is, strictly b/c of that whether it's selfish or not.
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by orangeblobman:
No one said about making anything illegal. You can't force someone to behave a certain way. But the fact remains that, in some ways, walking around in revealing clothing, for example, takes the focus away from the intellect and puts it on the physical.
Now, there is nothing wrong with being healthy and fit, but since the mind is the hallmark, the thing that separates man and beast, anything that goes against this is, or should be, considered regression.
Why is it necessary to do everything we can to make sure we separate ourselves from other animals? I have a great love and appreciation for nature and animals and would rather be more like than unlike them.
Some people flip out over women breast feeding. I think if anything orangeblobman is making a case that men or more like animals then unlike them. This idea that humans in particular men are unable to control themselves if a woman's breasts are on displayed. I
I personally am not bothered by breast feeding in public. In fact, I promote it b/c it's MUCH healthier for your babies and their future health.
I also agree that we should try to reach out to our primitive spirits as well. People ARE nature, and unfortunately, we have used nature for the worse as well. That's a different discussion for a different thread though.
Posted by Allanfan20:
A man with a buff chest will turn lots of women on and a woman with nice legs will turn lots of men on (Including myself.) However, the breasts ARE sexual glands. Legs aren't and neither is a mans buff chest. Touching a womans breasts automatically stimulates sexuality and in THIS society, we cover the sexual glands up.
sorry to interject but i find myself curiously aroused by this conversation.
Posted by Allanfan20:
And for he record, it has nothing to do with gender equality. It just so happens that woman have more prime external sexual stimulators then men. It's how nature or God or both (Whichever you prefer) chose it to be. American and most European (I think) society decided to say cover up your sexual stimulants.
From a personal perspective (And it is sexual) I prefer them to be covered up b/c I'd rather have that mystery and be able to unveil it. Whether most men agree, I don't know. That's just me personally though, and if it were up to me, I would keep it the way it is, strictly b/c of that whether it's selfish or not.
Is this an agreed upon scientific fact when you state that women have more prime external sexual simulators? There are many men that find women breasts unappealing furthermore, should we legislate based on what turns men on? I don't know about Europeans because every beach I've been to in women walked around topless you wouldn't believe it children were in the area, businesses still functioned, and there was still order in society. I think it also says a lot that it's perfectly normal for a guy to stay holed up in his room looking at all kinds of porn but if his wife or girlfriend takes her top off anywhere other then the privacy of her home then it's breaking social order.
Look I'm not advocating that people men or women be allowed to get half naked anywhere but rather it should be equal across the board. If a woman can't go topless at a Giants Football game (though I wouldn't advise that ever) then neither should a man or if a woman wants to go topless in Central Park she should be allowed to.
