Off Topic · OT: Top 10 Bad Sportsmanship Moments (page 3)

Posted by Bippity10:



I have to admit that I think injecting race into the original thread seems a little It's always amazed me how a couple guys like Carmelo and nate can throw a couple sissy punches at each other and the world is ready to change the rules of basketball. Carmelo is called a thug. Nate is called a punk. Meanwhile every night some hockey player gets into a fight for no reason and we hail their toughness. I do think there is a double standard in how NBa players are viewed as thugs while hockey players are viewed as tough guys. I'll keep it benign and not bring up race, and ask someone to explain what the difference is.

Perhaps people will respond less defensively now that you are saying it and not me. What I have been trying to express to a T. Good looks.

As for the Rudy Tomjanovich thing, Sebbie baby, how do you defend this?

To both TMS and Bip:
Not so much defend as try to understand. I cant find the horror in taking a face-to-face swing at somebody who is running full speed at you in the midst of a fight. It was a natural instinctual reaction in the context of the situation. Did he grab a weapon? Did he pursue Rudy T? McSorely turned his stick into a dangerous weapon, he knew what he was doing, so I dont see the comparison.

To me the convo begins and ends with this: Intent.

The results were horrendous, no doubt. But all this hindsight, "he should have done this, and he should have known that" is unfair. I know its not a popular opinion, but its the way I feel. Was his action the best possible reaction, hell no, but he's not a monster in my eyes.

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Nalod:

SebbyX was trying to be funny. SebbyX is the "Stehpan A." of UK.

Sebby, I'd have to say your "slant" this time just went a bit off center.

I love how you've made it a habit to come into threads taking these weak jabs at me and then subsequently run out without saying anything of further consequence.

If I'm the "militant black man" or whatever nonsensical label you want to prescribe to me, because I dare have an opinion that cuts across the grain of your middle-American inspired minutia, then I say you are definitely the coward of UK. At least others will defend their position and actually engage in a convo.

Im calling you "militant black man"?

Your remarks label yourself!

You dont really act like a mature, middle-aged man at all.

I said "white bbal players HAD to work harder" because of their physical deficiencies. Long white dudes are not the best athletes in the world.

Damn, Al Campanis moment right here. Nothing more needs to be said. Wow.

And if you think people are created equal - you are 100% right but it is nothing to do with their physical ability but more with the right to be happy.

WTF? This would be really sad if it wasnt so ridiculously stupid.

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Bippity10:



I have to admit that I think injecting race into the original thread seems a little It's always amazed me how a couple guys like Carmelo and nate can throw a couple sissy punches at each other and the world is ready to change the rules of basketball. Carmelo is called a thug. Nate is called a punk. Meanwhile every night some hockey player gets into a fight for no reason and we hail their toughness. I do think there is a double standard in how NBa players are viewed as thugs while hockey players are viewed as tough guys. I'll keep it benign and not bring up race, and ask someone to explain what the difference is.

Perhaps people will respond less defensively now that you are saying it and not me. What I have been trying to express to a T. Good looks.

i dunno about how anyone else views it, but personally when i see Hockey goons getting into fights on the ice, i don't view them as tough guys, i view them as goons & thugs who make a mockery of the art of their sport by their ruffian tactics... i'm not a follower of hockey & 1 of the main reasons why is because i don't see the beauty in any sport where fighting is condoned when it's not even part of the actual sport the way MMA & Boxing are... the 1 time i went to a Rangers game i got racial epithets thrown at me by drunken white dudes who were apparently hating me for blocking their view for 2 seconds while my friend & i were looking for our seats... my view of the sport of hockey is not the greatest & that has nothing to do w/the media making these guys out to be hard working blue collar tough guys to me... i'm intelligent enough to not let how the media wants to portray a sport sway my own opinions about it... that's not to say i have anything against anyone who likes hockey, it's just not for me... i find much more beauty & grace watching guys like Kobe, Lebron, Nash, CP3, Dirk, etc. taking it to the hole, moving the ball, making great no look passes, orchestrating an offense, hitting nothing but net from behind the 3 point arc or shooting in the face of a defender on a fadeaway... these are the intricacies of the sport of basketball that have made me love the sport... it has nothing to do w/how the media portrays the players as thugs or whatever else.

Way to take the bait, hook line and sink

Posted by orangeblobman:

Way to take the bait, hook line and sink

Hush. Puppy. Didnt you say you were leaving? Don't lie and toy with my heart. Not cool, bro.

Hannity is on anyway, I think.

Shouldn't you be out race baiting?

alright people, back to the original post. This has got to be one of the must unsporting things ever.

not cool.

Posted by TMS:

not cool.

COT DAMN!

if u ask me Soccer fans are by far the worst in terms of ridiculously unsportsmanlike behavior... look at these fuggers, they don't have respect for nothin' or nobody

Soccer is life and death to these fools. And if you are confused about it, they'll be glad to prove it to you.

check out some of these images of players & fans alike openly sporting the Nazi flag & giving Hitler salute at a public sporting event... forget about basketball & hockey, soccer is by far the worst.

don't mess w/this ref... he don't play

Posted by TMS:

check out some of these images of players & fans alike openly sporting the Nazi flag & giving Hitler salute at a public sporting event... forget about basketball & hockey, soccer is by far the worst.

Yep. That’s why it has 3.5 billion fans in the world (half of the mankind).

Seriously this all is not about sport or not about race, but about idiots which are in great supply everywhere.
Most of the players and most of the fans are decent normal people.
And there are no bad or good sport as there are no bad or good people.
We are all different and like different things. And this is beautiful and makes world go around.










[Edited by - arkrud on 04-24-2009 12:27 AM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 04-24-2009 12:27 AM]

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by TMS:

check out some of these images of players & fans alike openly sporting the Nazi flag & giving Hitler salute at a public sporting event... forget about basketball & hockey, soccer is by far the worst.

Yep. That’s why it has 3.5 billion fans in the world (half of the mankind).

Seriously this all is not about sport or not about race, but about idiots which are in great supply everywhere.
Most of the players and most of the fans are decent normal people.
And there are no bad or good sport as there are no bad or good people.
We are all different and like different things. And this is beautiful and makes world go around.










[Edited by - arkrud on 04-24-2009 12:27 AM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 04-24-2009 12:27 AM]

ark, i agree w/everything u just said... i'm not blaming the sport, only some of the idiots that follow the sport... like u said, there's idiots of all kinds everywhere, & i'm not trying to badmouth the sport of soccer.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by TMS:

sebstar, i'm always cool w/u but i dunno why u'r bringing up the "good luck he's not black" argument when some of those idiots pull this stuff... don't u think Kermit Washington sucker punching Rudy T was just as heinous as anything any of those non-black dudes are doing in these clips if not moreso, or Mike Tyson biting off Holyfield's ear for that matter? come on bro... let's leave the race card outta this... these are just idiot athletes that haven't learned how to control their tempers period.

I brought up race when it came to Romanoski...who was wild and out of control, yet was rarely called "thug" or was attacked by the media until he damn near killed somebody.

Same goes for Hockey...Media and fans love to hurl invective at the NBA and its players, yet continually give the barbaric sport Hockey almost a complete pass.

Complete double standards suck. Not my fault.

I stand behind those comments. The other comments had no racial connotation

The problem with black man and hockey is not race - it's about cold temperature on the ring.
And man had to fight face to face to be a man, not suc-hit simebody.

Are you really this dumb??

Are you really so serious?
Oh well, I forget that this is America, with this special sence of humor.
When somebody sleep and fall its funny, but when somebody has more sofisticated joke, its racism.

Arkrud: I think you would be taken more seriously if you ever cared to explain your "white players work harder than black players" comment. I don't tell me it was a joke. Your history precedes you.

I said "white bbal players HAD to work harder" because of their physical deficiencies. Long white dudes are not the best athletes in the world.
And if you think people are created equal - you are 100% right but it is nothing to do with their physical ability but more with the right to be happy.
Taking words out of context is not a fair game.

Couple things:

Number 1: You were not taken out of context

Number 2: "white players HAD to work harder" is also a fallacy. Like the 4 minute mile, the more David Lee's, Chris Anderson's, Dirk Nowitski's, Chase Budinger's and BJ Mullen's of the world show that this is a fallacy and not reality, the more white athletes will steer away from hockey and volleyball and enter the world of basketball. It's also a simplistic argument. Do you think that Travis Knight had to work harder on his game to make it to the NBA then guys like Nate Robinson, Chris Paul, Isiah thomas, Spud Webb etc. There are more white hockey players is this the result of an inherent skating advantage or societal influences?

There are more white hockey players because this is northern game which was played initially on open ice.
Actually open field hockey is much more popular game that Canadian hockey.
African and Asian races historically developed in hot climate where ice was not available.
People do have racial, national, and cultural differences and there is nothing wrong about it.
Only individuals with some kind of complex can translate difference into advantages or disadvantages.
Every race, nation, and culture has things it can be proud about and ashamed about.
And in the end we will all mesh anyway so why worry?

Leave it to seb to turn this topic into a racial discussion. Yay.

Can we get another topic for this? i found the original quite interesting.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by TMS:

check out some of these images of players & fans alike openly sporting the Nazi flag & giving Hitler salute at a public sporting event... forget about basketball & hockey, soccer is by far the worst.

Yep. That’s why it has 3.5 billion fans in the world (half of the mankind).

Seriously this all is not about sport or not about race, but about idiots which are in great supply everywhere.
Most of the players and most of the fans are decent normal people.
And there are no bad or good sport as there are no bad or good people.
We are all different and like different things. And this is beautiful and makes world go around.










[Edited by - arkrud on 04-24-2009 12:27 AM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 04-24-2009 12:27 AM]

ark, i agree w/everything u just said... i'm not blaming the sport, only some of the idiots that follow the sport... like u said, there's idiots of all kinds everywhere, & i'm not trying to badmouth the sport of soccer.

Yep. Also, if you notice, a lot of those pics are from Italian Serie A. Lazio, Roma and Juventus are especially known to have hardcore Nazi and skinhead elements in their fanbase called Ultras. Im not really pretending English football is blameless, but that kind of thing does not happen anymore in the UK. Even Millwall fans, well known for being the hardest most insane fans in the world have toned it down recently. Its just not accepted in some countries, while the Italian Football Assoc. just lets it happen and maybe fines the club a couple hundred euros. Just sad.

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Bippity10:



I have to admit that I think injecting race into the original thread seems a little It's always amazed me how a couple guys like Carmelo and nate can throw a couple sissy punches at each other and the world is ready to change the rules of basketball. Carmelo is called a thug. Nate is called a punk. Meanwhile every night some hockey player gets into a fight for no reason and we hail their toughness. I do think there is a double standard in how NBa players are viewed as thugs while hockey players are viewed as tough guys. I'll keep it benign and not bring up race, and ask someone to explain what the difference is.

Perhaps people will respond less defensively now that you are saying it and not me. What I have been trying to express to a T. Good looks.

As for the Rudy Tomjanovich thing, Sebbie baby, how do you defend this?

To both TMS and Bip:
Not so much defend as try to understand. I cant find the horror in taking a face-to-face swing at somebody who is running full speed at you in the midst of a fight. It was a natural instinctual reaction in the context of the situation. Did he grab a weapon? Did he pursue Rudy T? McSorely turned his stick into a dangerous weapon, he knew what he was doing, so I dont see the comparison.

To me the convo begins and ends with this: Intent.

The results were horrendous, no doubt. But all this hindsight, "he should have done this, and he should have known that" is unfair. I know its not a popular opinion, but its the way I feel. Was his action the best possible reaction, hell no, but he's not a monster in my eyes.

It's tough to judge when you aren't placed in that position, but I do hazard to guess that the vast majority of players in the league aren't going to turn around and blast someone in the face that is running at them. There's been a million fights in the NBA with people running out onto the court all the time. Same thing in baseball. Can't really remember too many incidences were a guy has turned around and taken a swing as hard as he can and taken someone out. I don't think Kermit is a villain, but I do think his actions were inexcusable. It's not like he was in a life or death situation

Posted by TMS:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Bippity10:



I have to admit that I think injecting race into the original thread seems a little It's always amazed me how a couple guys like Carmelo and nate can throw a couple sissy punches at each other and the world is ready to change the rules of basketball. Carmelo is called a thug. Nate is called a punk. Meanwhile every night some hockey player gets into a fight for no reason and we hail their toughness. I do think there is a double standard in how NBa players are viewed as thugs while hockey players are viewed as tough guys. I'll keep it benign and not bring up race, and ask someone to explain what the difference is.

Perhaps people will respond less defensively now that you are saying it and not me. What I have been trying to express to a T. Good looks.

i dunno about how anyone else views it, but personally when i see Hockey goons getting into fights on the ice, i don't view them as tough guys, i view them as goons & thugs who make a mockery of the art of their sport by their ruffian tactics... i'm not a follower of hockey & 1 of the main reasons why is because i don't see the beauty in any sport where fighting is condoned when it's not even part of the actual sport the way MMA & Boxing are... the 1 time i went to a Rangers game i got racial epithets thrown at me by drunken white dudes who were apparently hating me for blocking their view for 2 seconds while my friend & i were looking for our seats... my view of the sport of hockey is not the greatest & that has nothing to do w/the media making these guys out to be hard working blue collar tough guys to me... i'm intelligent enough to not let how the media wants to portray a sport sway my own opinions about it... that's not to say i have anything against anyone who likes hockey, it's just not for me... i find much more beauty & grace watching guys like Kobe, Lebron, Nash, CP3, Dirk, etc. taking it to the hole, moving the ball, making great no look passes, orchestrating an offense, hitting nothing but net from behind the 3 point arc or shooting in the face of a defender on a fadeaway... these are the intricacies of the sport of basketball that have made me love the sport... it has nothing to do w/how the media portrays the players as thugs or whatever else.

TMS: I have no doubt about you being genuine in your feelings towards your black brethren, but on a national scale and how things are viewed I think Sebstar is right in this. I thought the Malice at the Palace was a despicable event. I thought Artests actions were inexcusable. I thought Carmelo was a jerk when he tried to suckerpunch Jeffries. That being said, when these events happened my first reaction was to focus on the ridiculous actions of Artest and Carmelo. But our media and many fans immediately responded by discussing the negative influences of rap, gang culture and other cultural negatives on our society. Every punch was seen as a problem of too many young fellas getting too much money too soon. Meanwhile every night some Canadian, Eastern European or suburban white guy gets into a fisticuffs on the ice. Not once have I heard about the ills of suburban life, or the negative impact of country music on the white suburban psyche.