Off Topic · OT: Top 10 Bad Sportsmanship Moments (page 4)

Posted by TMS:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Bippity10:



I have to admit that I think injecting race into the original thread seems a little It's always amazed me how a couple guys like Carmelo and nate can throw a couple sissy punches at each other and the world is ready to change the rules of basketball. Carmelo is called a thug. Nate is called a punk. Meanwhile every night some hockey player gets into a fight for no reason and we hail their toughness. I do think there is a double standard in how NBa players are viewed as thugs while hockey players are viewed as tough guys. I'll keep it benign and not bring up race, and ask someone to explain what the difference is.

Perhaps people will respond less defensively now that you are saying it and not me. What I have been trying to express to a T. Good looks.

i dunno about how anyone else views it, but personally when i see Hockey goons getting into fights on the ice, i don't view them as tough guys, i view them as goons & thugs who make a mockery of the art of their sport by their ruffian tactics... i'm not a follower of hockey & 1 of the main reasons why is because i don't see the beauty in any sport where fighting is condoned when it's not even part of the actual sport the way MMA & Boxing are... the 1 time i went to a Rangers game i got racial epithets thrown at me by drunken white dudes who were apparently hating me for blocking their view for 2 seconds while my friend & i were looking for our seats... my view of the sport of hockey is not the greatest & that has nothing to do w/the media making these guys out to be hard working blue collar tough guys to me... i'm intelligent enough to not let how the media wants to portray a sport sway my own opinions about it... that's not to say i have anything against anyone who likes hockey, it's just not for me... i find much more beauty & grace watching guys like Kobe, Lebron, Nash, CP3, Dirk, etc. taking it to the hole, moving the ball, making great no look passes, orchestrating an offense, hitting nothing but net from behind the 3 point arc or shooting in the face of a defender on a fadeaway... these are the intricacies of the sport of basketball that have made me love the sport... it has nothing to do w/how the media portrays the players as thugs or whatever else.

TMS: I have no doubt about you being genuine in your feelings towards your black brethren, but on a national scale and how things are viewed I think Sebstar is right in this. I thought the Malice at the Palace was a despicable event. I thought Artests actions were inexcusable. I thought Carmelo was a jerk when he tried to suckerpunch Jeffries. That being said, when these events happened my first reaction was to focus on the ridiculous actions of Artest and Carmelo. But our media and many fans immediately responded by discussing the negative influences of rap, gang culture and other cultural negatives on our society. Every punch was seen as a problem of too many young fellas getting too much money too soon. Meanwhile every night some Canadian, Eastern European or suburban white guy gets into a fisticuffs on the ice. Not once have I heard about the ills of suburban life, or the negative impact of country music on the white suburban psyche.

Posted by firefly:

alright people, back to the original post. This has got to be one of the must unsporting things ever.

Ridicolous moment, but what's up with the first soccer player going down as if he got shot. He was barely touched.

Posted by TMS:

don't mess w/this ref... he don't play

That's called learning a lesson

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by arkrud:

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Posted by arkrud:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by TMS:

sebstar, i'm always cool w/u but i dunno why u'r bringing up the "good luck he's not black" argument when some of those idiots pull this stuff... don't u think Kermit Washington sucker punching Rudy T was just as heinous as anything any of those non-black dudes are doing in these clips if not moreso, or Mike Tyson biting off Holyfield's ear for that matter? come on bro... let's leave the race card outta this... these are just idiot athletes that haven't learned how to control their tempers period.

I brought up race when it came to Romanoski...who was wild and out of control, yet was rarely called "thug" or was attacked by the media until he damn near killed somebody.

Same goes for Hockey...Media and fans love to hurl invective at the NBA and its players, yet continually give the barbaric sport Hockey almost a complete pass.

Complete double standards suck. Not my fault.

I stand behind those comments. The other comments had no racial connotation

The problem with black man and hockey is not race - it's about cold temperature on the ring.
And man had to fight face to face to be a man, not suc-hit simebody.

Are you really this dumb??

Are you really so serious?
Oh well, I forget that this is America, with this special sence of humor.
When somebody sleep and fall its funny, but when somebody has more sofisticated joke, its racism.

Arkrud: I think you would be taken more seriously if you ever cared to explain your "white players work harder than black players" comment. I don't tell me it was a joke. Your history precedes you.

I said "white bbal players HAD to work harder" because of their physical deficiencies. Long white dudes are not the best athletes in the world.
And if you think people are created equal - you are 100% right but it is nothing to do with their physical ability but more with the right to be happy.
Taking words out of context is not a fair game.

Couple things:

Number 1: You were not taken out of context

Number 2: "white players HAD to work harder" is also a fallacy. Like the 4 minute mile, the more David Lee's, Chris Anderson's, Dirk Nowitski's, Chase Budinger's and BJ Mullen's of the world show that this is a fallacy and not reality, the more white athletes will steer away from hockey and volleyball and enter the world of basketball. It's also a simplistic argument. Do you think that Travis Knight had to work harder on his game to make it to the NBA then guys like Nate Robinson, Chris Paul, Isiah thomas, Spud Webb etc. There are more white hockey players is this the result of an inherent skating advantage or societal influences?

There are more white hockey players because this is northern game which was played initially on open ice.
Actually open field hockey is much more popular game that Canadian hockey.
African and Asian races historically developed in hot climate where ice was not available.
People do have racial, national, and cultural differences and there is nothing wrong about it.
Only individuals with some kind of complex can translate difference into advantages or disadvantages.
Every race, nation, and culture has things it can be proud about and ashamed about.
And in the end we will all mesh anyway so why worry?

That's the whole point. Basketball works the same way. This notion that there aren't many white basketball players because they aren't great athletes is a fallacy. Plenty of great white athletes but due to a cultural upbringing which preaches "white people can't jump" white players have been steered away from the sport. It's amazing how ever since the European influx into the NBA, now we are seeing more and more athletic white players playing US basketball. The Europeans didn't buy into this "we can't play" notion and came over full force. Magically the white player as a plodding oaf is quickly disappearing. Especially at the college levels. It's just like the 4 minute mile. If people tell you that something is genetically impossible and you beleive them then you won't do it. But once you see someone else do it, it magically becomes easier.

Evolution hasn't changed so fast that 7 footers in the NBA(both white and black) went from plodding slow runners to athletic guys like Garnett and Nowitzki that can run as fast as a guard, dribble through traffic and outjump their shorter counterparts. Evolution didn't change this. Guys like Magic Johnson and Tom Chambers and Shawn Kemp and Garnett and Nowitzki actually made some people realize that these notions are simply falsehoods.

As for certain guys having to work harder to make it to the NBA. That's nonsense. If anyone has to work harder it's the small guys, not the white guys. Travis Knight sat on his tookus and smoked pot everyday in college. Meanwhile Kevin Ollie was the hardest working human being in the world. Somehow Travis had an easier road to the NBA and millions. Steve Kerr was a one trick pony that had a great jumpshot. Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Paul, Dirk Nowitzki, Tim Duncan these are the guys that worked hardest on their games. This idea that David Lee and Steve Kerr and guys like them are the hardest workers is nonsense.

I guess it has a lot to do with what we envision to be hard work. If a guy(say Dennis Rodman or Goran Suton) has minimal basketball skill but is relentless on the glass and fights in traffic to get a rebound, we think that guy is a harder worker then a guy like Kobe who has athletic ability and so much skill that he makes the game look easy. We even glorify a Steve Kerr(who had one discernable skill) as a hard working gym rat.The reality is that Dennis/Goran/Kerr are extremely hard working on the court. But guys like Chris Paul and Kobe and Dirk and Timmy and Dwayne work just as hard on the court, but even harder off. That's why they have the skills that they do. THEY HAD TO WORK HARDER, to get to the level where they are.

Sebby, you can dish it but you don't like it back.

I think its one thing for the Chris Rocks and Eddie Murhphy to to the "white funny thing", and it works, but its tough for non professionals to pull it thru. Lets be real, black with black and white with white can do sterotyping humor with no offense, but if you really must know, white guys really don't like hearing some things. If we spilled out some stereo typing as you do time to time im sure you and others would be all over it.

There is a time and a place for it.

Yes, Hockey is historically a white dominated sport. Yes, some of us really do like hockey. Some of us played hockey or have children that play it.

No big deal, but I jumped in when others did because this was a time and place to mention it. YOu like to defend every point as a win or losing argument so you flamed it.

Really, you a good dude.

Back to Rudy T and kermit......

There was a great HBO documentry a few years back and it really did a great job of typicting how BOTH were victims of the moment. I think Seb when you tried to defend Kermit the way you did was biased.

What I got out of the program was Kermit was startled by rudy running into the play and his reaction was very unfortunate, he turned around and punched him. He did not know the intent of Rudy in that moment. What was so brutal was not that he tried to jump out of the way, or defend himself (put hands or arms up and shove him away, but just turned around and punched. I disagree with him being blackballed and I think in this day and age he would have had ESPN 24/7 coverage to explain his side, and many opinions to discuss it. Naturally there was tape of it but not the video access we have today. Yes, 30 years ago racial stereotypes and racism was worse, so perhaps owners who were dealing with how to market a larger black athlete popluation to a traditionally white audience did not handle it well. Kermit was not a star player so he was expendable. I doubt he had a big contract and other teams might have been scared to take him on.

I think what is wrong is this incident as being "bad sportmanship moment". It was a tragic event in two mens lives.

Seb, "sebbyX" is just being satirical to your very bias opinion. Your entitled to it, but maybe we try to use humor to call each other out when we go overboard. And when we do, we back down. I think you cross the line sometimes when you dish it, but really repel when called out. Thats your parogative, but its ours also.

[Edited by - nalod on 24-04-2009 09:43 AM]

Posted by firefly:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by TMS:

check out some of these images of players & fans alike openly sporting the Nazi flag & giving Hitler salute at a public sporting event... forget about basketball & hockey, soccer is by far the worst.

Yep. That’s why it has 3.5 billion fans in the world (half of the mankind).

Seriously this all is not about sport or not about race, but about idiots which are in great supply everywhere.
Most of the players and most of the fans are decent normal people.
And there are no bad or good sport as there are no bad or good people.
We are all different and like different things. And this is beautiful and makes world go around.










[Edited by - arkrud on 04-24-2009 12:27 AM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 04-24-2009 12:27 AM]

ark, i agree w/everything u just said... i'm not blaming the sport, only some of the idiots that follow the sport... like u said, there's idiots of all kinds everywhere, & i'm not trying to badmouth the sport of soccer.

Yep. Also, if you notice, a lot of those pics are from Italian Serie A. Lazio, Roma and Juventus are especially known to have hardcore Nazi and skinhead elements in their fanbase called Ultras. Im not really pretending English football is blameless, but that kind of thing does not happen anymore in the UK. Even Millwall fans, well known for being the hardest most insane fans in the world have toned it down recently. Its just not accepted in some countries, while the Italian Football Assoc. just lets it happen and maybe fines the club a couple hundred euros. Just sad.

it's a disgrace that any nation would allow such blatantly hateful & racist propaganda to be on display at a publically sanctioned sporting event... those teams should lose their franchising rights & the league itself should have its operating rights revoked for allowing that kinda stuff to continue... i remember seeing an ESPN special about the proliferation of racism among soccer fans who were openly jeering black soccer players in certain European countries, holding up racist signs & painting their faces black in stereotyping fashion to express their hatred toward these players they didn't even know simply because they looked different than they did... it's a sad commentary to know this type of stuff still goes on in this day & age... this is why i single out soccer as 1 of the worst offenders when it comes to unsportsmanlike behavior (not the sport, the fans)... i can't understand why the sanctioning bodies don't try & do a better job of regulating this stuff... it has no place anywhere, much less in sports.

Don't know why you care so much? Who made us, the Americans, the world's morality police?

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Bippity10:



I have to admit that I think injecting race into the original thread seems a little It's always amazed me how a couple guys like Carmelo and nate can throw a couple sissy punches at each other and the world is ready to change the rules of basketball. Carmelo is called a thug. Nate is called a punk. Meanwhile every night some hockey player gets into a fight for no reason and we hail their toughness. I do think there is a double standard in how NBa players are viewed as thugs while hockey players are viewed as tough guys. I'll keep it benign and not bring up race, and ask someone to explain what the difference is.

Perhaps people will respond less defensively now that you are saying it and not me. What I have been trying to express to a T. Good looks.

i dunno about how anyone else views it, but personally when i see Hockey goons getting into fights on the ice, i don't view them as tough guys, i view them as goons & thugs who make a mockery of the art of their sport by their ruffian tactics... i'm not a follower of hockey & 1 of the main reasons why is because i don't see the beauty in any sport where fighting is condoned when it's not even part of the actual sport the way MMA & Boxing are... the 1 time i went to a Rangers game i got racial epithets thrown at me by drunken white dudes who were apparently hating me for blocking their view for 2 seconds while my friend & i were looking for our seats... my view of the sport of hockey is not the greatest & that has nothing to do w/the media making these guys out to be hard working blue collar tough guys to me... i'm intelligent enough to not let how the media wants to portray a sport sway my own opinions about it... that's not to say i have anything against anyone who likes hockey, it's just not for me... i find much more beauty & grace watching guys like Kobe, Lebron, Nash, CP3, Dirk, etc. taking it to the hole, moving the ball, making great no look passes, orchestrating an offense, hitting nothing but net from behind the 3 point arc or shooting in the face of a defender on a fadeaway... these are the intricacies of the sport of basketball that have made me love the sport... it has nothing to do w/how the media portrays the players as thugs or whatever else.

TMS: I have no doubt about you being genuine in your feelings towards your black brethren, but on a national scale and how things are viewed I think Sebstar is right in this. I thought the Malice at the Palace was a despicable event. I thought Artests actions were inexcusable. I thought Carmelo was a jerk when he tried to suckerpunch Jeffries. That being said, when these events happened my first reaction was to focus on the ridiculous actions of Artest and Carmelo. But our media and many fans immediately responded by discussing the negative influences of rap, gang culture and other cultural negatives on our society. Every punch was seen as a problem of too many young fellas getting too much money too soon. Meanwhile every night some Canadian, Eastern European or suburban white guy gets into a fisticuffs on the ice. Not once have I heard about the ills of suburban life, or the negative impact of country music on the white suburban psyche.

i agree, i think the Malice in the Palace example is valid, & i'm not trying to diminish the point that the media sometimes does place a double standard on how black & white athletes are portrayed... but it's hard to compare basketball & hockey in terms of fighting because it's almost condoned in hockey where it's not in basketball... maybe it's a product of that alone, the taboo that is placed by the governing body controlling each respective sport... David Stern wants to promote a more cleaner image of the sport & trying to completely phase out the ruffian tactics... hockey is a different sport, different mentality & the fans of hockey seem to appreciate the fighting aspect, so the media feeds into that... in the end it's all about appeasing the masses when it comes to the media, they'll promote whatever they think the fans wanna see.

Common man. People are judged by their actions. Don't give us this double-standard stuff. You are treated how you act, period.

Posted by orangeblobman:

Don't know why you care so much? Who made us, the Americans, the world's morality police?

i care cuz i don't like racists... am i allowed to have an opinion?

TMS, what does a "racist" half-way around the world have to do with you? And even if you do dislike "racists", why is it your job to go, half-way around the world, and enforce this Utopian ideal of 'no-racism'

Posted by orangeblobman:

Common man. People are judged by their actions. Don't give us this double-standard stuff. You are treated how you act, period.

that's a pretty naive stance to take on the subject... i dunno what planet you've been living on if u don't think racist attitudes guide many people's actions & attitudes

It's really not naive, TMS. People are judged by their actions. Just like every other living being is judged by theirs. Plants, the way they root and grow, are judged by their biological functions. Humans, every race of, are judged by how they behave.



[Edited by - orangeblobman on 04-24-2009 11:45 AM]

Posted by orangeblobman:

TMS, what does a "racist" half-way around the world have to do with you? And even if you do dislike "racists", why is it your job to go, half-way around the world, and enforce this Utopian ideal of 'no-racism'

i dunno, maybe ask the racist a-holes half way around the world who would openly hate me if they ever met me simply because i don't look like them... & who says i'm trying to enforce anything? i'm giving a freakin' opinion here... i don't approve of this racist hate stuff being on display at a public event... if u agree w/it, that's your prerogative... why do u object to me expressing my opinion is my question... does it offend you that i don't approve of racism? dunno what the "quotes" you place on the term "racist" means, as if u think that's just a word i made up to classify these people myself.

Posted by orangeblobman:

It's really not naive, TMS. People are judged by their actions. Just like every other living being is judged by theirs. Plants, the way they root and grow, are judged by their biological functions. Humans, every race of, are judged by how they behave.



[Edited by - orangeblobman on 04-24-2009 11:45 AM]

wow dude... i have no words for you if that's what u really feel.

Here's a question-- why do you care if someone would openly hate you half-way around the world? Don't you have enough on your plate here, without going around being a police officer, to keep you busy?

It is how it is. People hate me all over the place, half-way around the world, and probably a 3/4way-around the world, too. But I'm not trying to enforce my non-hate beliefs on anyone else. You see?

[Edited by - orangeblobman on 04-24-2009 11:50 AM]

Posted by orangeblobman:

Here's a question-- why do you care if someone would openly hate you half-way around the world? Don't you have enough on your plate here, without going around being a police officer, to keep you busy?

i care because it's a sad commentary on humanity to think someone would hate me when they don't even know me based on nothing but the color of my skin... but oh yeah, that type of stuff doesn't happen because people are judged by their actions only according to you... wake up dude... there's a whole world of racism & hate that's going on out there, but it's kinda hard to see if you wanna close your eyes to it.

now you can answer my question-- why do you care if i choose to express this on this thread where we're talking about the topic? if you don't wanna talk about the subject, move on. who do you think you are trying to tell me i shouldn't care about this, as if you know how i should feel when you don't know anything about where i've been or what i've experienced in my life (or anyone else who is speaking on this topic for that matter), which is painfully obvious by your earlier statements.

Here's my answer. You labeled soccer fans, and European soccer fans and clubs in particular, as racists and therefore 'bad people'. That's not cool. You ran roughshod over the entire sport of soccer, man. The majority of soccer fans and players and clubs are not bad people. You can't let the actions of a few make you hate Europeans or soccer players or soccer fans.

And we can go back and forth about 'what we've experienced', this is pointless. Every human on earth, no matter what colour or ethnicity or socio-economic status has suffered. Life is suffering. That's it.

[Edited by - orangeblobman on 04-24-2009 12:00 PM]

funny, you're telling me i shouldn't care about what people halfway around the world think, but then ic you leave this comment on the UN racism thread:

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04-24-2009 08:52 AM

Here is a dialogue. We are on the side of Israel. You cannot live in America and take advantage of what it has to offer if you are not on the side of Israel. This is the way IT SHOULD BE. It's us versus them. Period. We must win.

so by your logic shouldn't the US butt out of the affairs of Israel, Palestine & Iraq? shouldn't we all just turn a blind eye to the hatred & racism that's going on over there? stop being a hypocrite... u can't have it both ways.

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