and what of the citizens of a nation? should we not have a standard for behavior? is there a standard? there used to be.
citizens have a standard of behavior, sure... i'm guessing that girl got arrested cuz she broke that standard & will pay for it by having charges brought up against her... for tossing her shoes at the officer the way for her to have paid for that behavior is by having more charges pressed against her, not by having her face smashed into the wall by a man 3 times her size, dragged down to the floor by her hair & faceplanted into the cement floor w/2 right hooks thrown at her face while she's on the ground for good measure... that was a cowardly, disgusting & despicable act by that poor excuse for a police officer & there's no possible way to justify it.
Posted by orangeblobman:
and what of the citizens of a nation? should we not have a standard for behavior? is there a standard? there used to be.
btw, try seeing how u would feel if you flicked a shoe at a police officer on the street & he proceeded to beat you down, hand cuff you & drag you to jail by your hair... stop trying to justify this cuz u got no case.
Posted by orangeblobman:
the girl's actions, while obviously not deserving of the brutish beat town she received, SHOULD ALSO be condemned because that is just simply no way to behave towards a law enforcement officer. edit: --regardless of how you are being treated. i contend that the safest way, the ONLY way to react to any situation in which one is confronted by the authorities is first- WITH RESPECT...for the best of all parties involved.
[Edited by - orangeblobman on 05-23-2009 11:51 PM]
When you are so hung up on condemning the child who committed an act so harmless and minor, especially in comparison to that savage beatdown, you are, in essence, trying to support or rationalize the officer's actions. Those shoes didnt even touch that a-hole.
Really sick game you are playing here and its not funny at all.
Posted by orangeblobman:
and what of the citizens of a nation? should we not have a standard for behavior? is there a standard? there used to be.
What the hell are you talking about? When people say this sort of stuff you can tell they have a real poor understanding of the history of this nation.
And I'm sure a child flicking a shoe a couple of feet is such a dangerous assault on your standard of living.
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by orangeblobman:
and what of the citizens of a nation? should we not have a standard for behavior? is there a standard? there used to be.
What the hell are you talking about? When people say this sort of stuff you can tell they have a real poor understanding of the history of this nation.
And I'm sure a child flicking a shoe a couple of feet is such a dangerous assault on your standard of living.
i wouldn't be surprised if they charged her for assault on a police officer with a deadly weapon on top of the beatdown she took.
Posted by orangeblobman:
the girl's actions, while obviously not deserving of the brutish beat town she received, SHOULD ALSO be condemned because that is just simply no way to behave towards a law enforcement officer.
there is no reason to judge her by a higher standard. she is not a police officer! she is going to prison, if anything we should judge her by a lower standard.
obviously the shoe isn't a deadly weapon. that isn't the problem.
the problem is that some people actually think it's perfectly alright to act-up to a law enforcement officer. that just, i don't know..it boggles my mind.
there is no reason to judge her by a higher standard. she is not a police officer! she is going to prison, if anything we should judge her by a lower standard.
no reason to judge her by a higher standard? a lower standard? she's a citizen of this nation. how low of a standard should we hold our citizens to? how low do you want to go, exactly? is it not bad enough what we have right now?
i don't know how old you guys are, but i know that there was a time not too long ago that insane uncivilized behavior was not tolerated...now it seems to be justified and also promoted.
Posted by orangeblobman:
obviously the shoe isn't a deadly weapon. that isn't the problem.
the problem is that some people actually think it's perfectly alright to act-up to a law enforcement officer. that just, i don't know..it boggles my mind.
there is no reason to judge her by a higher standard. she is not a police officer! she is going to prison, if anything we should judge her by a lower standard.
no reason to judge her by a higher standard? a lower standard? she's a citizen of this nation. how low of a standard should we hold our citizens to? how low do you want to go, exactly? is it not bad enough what we have right now?
i don't know how old you guys are, but i know that there was a time not too long ago that insane uncivilized behavior was not tolerated...now it seems to be justified and also promoted.
I'm going to repeat this for emphasis.
When you are so hung up on condemning the child who committed an act so harmless and minor, especially in comparison to that savage beatdown, you are, in essence, trying to support or rationalize the officer's actions. Those shoes didnt even touch that a-hole.
Really sick game you are playing here and its not funny at all.
If the cop responded to her flicking her shoe a couple of feet in such a horrific manner, then it stands to reason that he was probably abusing and mistreating her up untill that point. Perhaps you need to direct your outrage in a different direction, cause all this 'downfall of civilization' talk is an indictment on the cop's actions, not the child.
Thats horrible. Thats another reason why people don't respect nor trust the police. Who can trust people that believe they are so superior to you they have the right to simply abuse and attack you that way because they have the uniform? How many cases have we seen that are like this or even worse?
In my hometown there was this video showing a policeman hitting an unarmed man and ending up shooting him. All in the video. It was so shocking. I know some policemen are good but its unfortunate how many of them abuse of their power this way. I can truly say I don't trust any of them.
perhaps one should consider the number of times that cop, and many cops, have to deal with anti-social, disrespectful behaviour on their job. again, not justifying his actions, but the focus is wrongly directed at him.
what if you had to deal with constant assaults on your job and your character while you work? one would be hard-pressed to find a law enforcement officer that doesn't deal with an unreasonable amount of bs in his line of work.
Posted by orangeblobman:
obviously the shoe isn't a deadly weapon. that isn't the problem.
the problem is that some people actually think it's perfectly alright to act-up to a law enforcement officer. that just, i don't know..it boggles my mind.
what boggles my mind is that you somehow think we're condoning the act of flicking a shoe at a police officer in this discussion... punishment needs to fit the crime dude, that's all we're saying... flicking a cot dayam shoe at a police officer doesn't deserve getting a beatdown in a jail cell!!!
i don't know how old you guys are, but i know that there was a time not too long ago that insane uncivilized behavior was not tolerated...now it seems to be justified and also promoted.
the only one acting in an "insane & uncivilized manner" in that clip is that cop dude... get a grip... flicking a shoe at someone is impolite & disrespectful at worst... u don't have the right to beat someone down for flicking a shoe at you, i don't care if you're the President of the United States or some dumb fu#k deputy cop on a power trip who's got serious anger management issues.
[Edited by - TMS on 05-26-2009 1:00 PM]
Posted by orangeblobman:
perhaps one should consider the number of times that cop, and many cops, have to deal with anti-social, disrespectful behaviour on their job. again, not justifying his actions, but the focus is wrongly directed at him.
what if you had to deal with constant assaults on your job and your character while you work? one would be hard-pressed to find a law enforcement officer that doesn't deal with an unreasonable amount of bs in his line of work.
OMG! No wonder the republicans are still able to hold on to the few shreds of power they are clinging to. They still have people like you running around. A few things:
First of all, dealing with criminals, drunks, and unpleasent people is part of the job description of an officer. Thats like a chef complaining about having to make food all the time. THATS YOUR JOB. Why become an officer? Officers were sworn to uphold the law --- so my question is this, what happens when the people who are supposed to uphold the law, are in fact the biggest lawbreakers and sociopaths?
So if I'm having a bad day, I'm justified in going to a high school and randomly assaulting the first female that "disrespects me" in any innocuous manner? Do you know how stupid and ridiculous you sound. He was in no physical danger. WHAT HE DID WAS AGAINST THE LAW. Again, a badge and a gun does not give you omnipotent, God like powers.
And notice one other thing. The other officer didnt even attempt to restrain him, he helped. They knew they were being taped, and they still savagely beat a helpless little girl. There is an animalistic culture within police organizations and its people like you that help support it. There is no defending this video or that officer.
And notice one other thing. The other officer didnt even attempt to restrain him, he helped. They knew they were being taped, and they still savagely beat a helpless little girl. There is an animalistic culture within police organizations and its people like you that help support it. There is no defending this video or that officer.
it's really sad that another cop would stand by his partner & not even try to restrain him there... he was probably worried that 90 lb little girl woulda taken off her other shoe & nailed him in the head thereby causing severe brain trauma with it had they not taken action in that manner.
i bet his partner woulda been ostracized by the "fraternity" had he done the right thing & prevented the brutality from happening... last weekend i was in a restaurant late at night after we'd gotten out of the club, & there were 2 tables full of drunken plain clothed cops who'd just came out from a police function... some drunken chick blurted out "I hate cops" & then all hell broke loose... there were 4 huge monster looking dudes immediately stood up & get in her face & in her boyfriend's face, menacing them, cursing them & threatening to beat their asses if they didn't get the hell outta the restaurant... i'm talking some serious roid rage type anger type sheit here... i was intimidated just watching this all go down... 3 of them had badges hanging from their necks so there was no mistaking they were cops & the other was dressed up in some Halloween getup & makeup like that crazy costumed baseball gang in the movie "The Warriors"... dude was a big, big dude, had to have been at least 6'4" & he was going off at these kids... it was almost like watching a WWE wrestling skit... there were about 8 other cops & their wives/girlfriends who just sat there & watched it all go down twiddling their thumbs, some of the girls shaking their heads, but none of them said a cot dayam thing or did anything to try & calm the situation... now obviously it's moronically stupid to shout out "I hate cops" in a room full of cops, but did those cops have the right to act the way they did & threaten those kids with physical violence? & were those other cops right in just sitting there & not doing anything? maybe in some people's deluded ideas of reality this type of behavior is warranted by public servants... my guess is anyone who thinks that way doesn't know a damn thing about what life is like in the real world & the big city.
[Edited by - TMS on 05-26-2009 1:52 PM]
Posted by TMS:
it's really sad that another cop would stand by his partner & not even try to restrain him there... he was probably worried that 90 lb little girl woulda taken off her other shoe & nailed him in the head thereby causing severe brain trauma with it had they not taken action in that manner.
[Edited by - TMS on 05-26-2009 1:52 PM]
absolutely. There was no gray area there --- we're talking about a little girl being ruthlessly assaulted by a man twice her size and he didnt even restrain his partner, let alone help her. What cowardice and inhumanity; he was more concerned about "being a cop" than being a human.
And you make a great point about people being deluded regarding the role of public servants. Thats the thing with conservatives, most of them lack sympathy or empathy because their world views are so incomplete and they have cocooned themselves within their narrow sphere of experiences. Things are only a problem unless they are involved personally.
For instance you always hear conservatives talk tough about drug offenders --- Lock 'em up and throw away the key!! --- but when Rush Limbaugh got caught up with oxycotin, then it was all about treatment. When the Bush daughters got caught up it was all about treatment. When one them, their sons or their daughters gets caught up, its all about treatment. Same thing with these chicken hawks who want to scream war, but will let somebody else fight them. Same thing with Fox news only caring about blond haired kids being kidnapped....list goes on.
Something only matters when it affects THEIR communities. If it doesnt, they want to act all unsympathetic and uncaring and talk tough. So maybe if these cops start going into the suburbs and whipping people's asses and killing people for no reason, only then will we see stuff like this become more of a national discussion.
So maybe if these cops start going into the suburbs and whipping people's asses and killing people for no reason, only then will we see stuff like this become more of a national discussion.
those are the cops that will lose their jobs for even speaking a bit too harshly at Silver Spoon fed Junior & his trust fund baby friends while they were on their way to buy coke.
First of all, dealing with criminals, drunks, and unpleasent people is part of the job description of an officer. Thats like a chef complaining about having to make food all the time. THATS YOUR JOB. Why become an officer? Officers were sworn to uphold the law --- so my question is this, what happens when the people who are supposed to uphold the law, are in fact the biggest lawbreakers and sociopaths?
so if someone is in law enforcement he deserves to deal with all of that stuff?
that's absolutely ridiculous. that's insane. how low will we stoop? how low is too low?
the reason they can't protect and serve is because they have to deal with so many bad things in their line of work. it's take care of crime or don't, no time for pleasentries if you want to get anything done in today's crime world.
orange, stop watching so many Dirty Harry movies & reading all those Batman comic books... real life doesn't work that way.
dirty harry dealt with similar realities.
I have zero tolerance for cops. I have never been helped by one, only shaken down by them. They are the municipality's muscle. That's it... that's their function.
I got jumped at Daedulus in DC by six bouncers... long story short, it was an all-you-can-drink thing, I had just showed up, the bartender wanted me to tip her before she got my drink, I refused, she got the bouncers to hassle me, and me being young and a moron wouldn't leave until I got my money back.
one bouncer got impatient and swung, then the other guy swung... then the other four bouncers came over and kept hitting me until I got knocked down, then I'd get up, then I'd get knocked down again, and the entrance is downstairs on a flight of marble steps... only reason I know this is because I know people in line from college, and one of them phoned for an ambulance... I wanted to file charges bu it was cold and the cop that came told me he'd arrest my friends if I pressed charges and the other cop just hung back. My best friend who always wanted to be a lawyer got their badge numbers, we went to the emergency room to have the incident documented, and we filed an official complaint, which was reviewed and foudn valid... the officers got that in their files and will be patrolmen for the rest of their "careers."
So, if some cop is just muscle and treats you like shit or pulls some bullshit like in the video above, file a complaint. Some cops are public service professionals but most are no different than thugs... and I'd venture to say that most got picked on in high school and have some complex
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by TMS:
it's really sad that another cop would stand by his partner & not even try to restrain him there... he was probably worried that 90 lb little girl woulda taken off her other shoe & nailed him in the head thereby causing severe brain trauma with it had they not taken action in that manner.
[Edited by - TMS on 05-26-2009 1:52 PM]
absolutely. There was no gray area there --- we're talking about a little girl being ruthlessly assaulted by a man twice her size and he didnt even restrain his partner, let alone help her. What cowardice and inhumanity; he was more concerned about "being a cop" than being a human.
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing
Personally, I take more exception with the guy that did nothing. Sometimes people make mistakes, including beating a girl, and that situation must be handled appropriately. To sit idly and compound their mistake through apathy though I find truly revolting because that speaks to composition of his character and soul, or lack thereof.
So either that dude that did nothing is a good guy that did nothing is a lazy sack of shit or he is just a sack of shit
[Edited by - supremecommander on 05-26-2009 10:47 PM]
