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Respected Middle East expert and former BBC presenter Alan Hart has broken his silence on 9/11, by revealing that the world’s most prominent civil engineering company told him directly that the collapse of the twin towers was a controlled demolition.
Speaking on the Kevin Barrett show yesterday, Hart said he thought the 9/11 attack probably started as a Muslim operation headed up by Osama Bin Laden but that the plot was subsequently hijacked and carried out by Mossad agents in collusion with elements of the CIA, adding that since its formation, Israel has penetrated every Arab government and terrorist organization.
“My guess is that at an early point they said to the bad guys in the CIA – hey this operation’s running what do we do, and the zionists and the neo-cons said let’s use it,” said Hart, making reference to how top neo-cons like Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and their fellow Project For a New American Century authors had called for a “catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor,” the year before 9/11.
“The twin towers were brought down by a controlled ground explosion, not the planes,” said Hart, adding that this view was based on his close friendship with consultants who work with the world’s leading civil engineering and construction firm.
Hart asked the company to study the collapse of the twin towers, after which they told him directly, “There’s absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the towers were brought down by a controlled ground explosion.”
Hart then explained how the five dancing Israelis seen celebrating the attack on the World Trade Center in New Jersey as it unfolded, who turned out to be Mossad agents, proves at at a minimum Israel knew the attack was going to happen. Hart went further in speculating that the planes had been fitted with transponders and that the Israelis were guiding them in to the towers.
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Top Construction Firm: WTC Destroyed By Controlled Demolition 150410banner1
Host Barrett pointed out that to carry out the successful controlled demolition of three of the biggest buildings in history, the conspirators would have to ensure that they were hit, making the use of remote controlled airliners a distinct possibility. In addition, Barrett mentioned the fact that he had interviewed numerous pilots who dismissed the chances of accurately guiding a huge commercial airliner into a building while flying at sea level at around 600 miles per hour, especially considering the alleged 9/11 hijackers struggled to even fly basic Cessna light aircraft.
“Sounding a chilling note, Hart added that the U.S. is in grave danger of an Israeli-instigated false-flag nuclear attack, perhaps using an American nuclear weapon stolen from Minot Air Force Base during the “loose nukes” rogue operation of August, 2007. The motive would be to trigger a U.S. war with Iran, and perhaps to finish the ethnic cleansing of Palestine under cover of war–which Hart is convinced the Zionists are planning to do as soon as the opportunity presents itself,” writes host Barratt.
Given his biography and standing, Hart’s comments are not to be taken lightly. Hart is a former Middle East Chief Correspondent for ITN News and has also presented for BBC Panorama specializing in the Middle East. He was also a war reporter in Vietnam and the first journalist to reach Suez Canal with the Israeli army in 1967. Over the decades, Hart has developed close relationships with numerous high profile political figures, including the Shah of Iran, Yasser Arafat and Shimon Peres.
Hart has been a successful author for years and has no reason to fabricate the fact that a top construction firm told him point blank that the towers were brought down in a controlled demolition.
In forwarding this information, Hart joins legions of other credible experts who to some extent or other have all publicly challenged the official 9/11 story, with many outright stating that the attacks were an inside job, people like 20-year decorated CIA veteran Robert Baer, who told a radio host that “the evidence points at” 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job.
In addition, no less than 1198 architectural and engineering specialists have signed a petition demanding Congress re-open an official investigation into the 9/11 attack and the collapse of the twin towers.
He's probably afraid to walk outside his house because he thinks the government is monitoring his every move.
Silverfuel wrote:TMS wrote:haven't we discussed this topic to death already a few years back? i don't see anything new in this thread that we haven't already covered in previous 9/11 conspiracy discussions.
there is new information coming out almost every month
yea i just posted something from wed may 26
Why the government hasn't released a clear video of what entered into the Pentagon? And why were video tapes from every location within miles of the area itself seized by government officials from highways to nearby hotels?
I have yet to meet one person who can explain why the United States Government refuses to release the confiscated tapes from in and around the pentagon area which "they claim" was struck by an airplane. Common sense will tell anyone with a brain that a missile entered that building.
Those are intelligent questions. I expected an intelligent answer.
This picture shows the hole before the wall collapsed AT THE PENTAGON, now look even at the windows....is this the damage of a 757 or a Missle
Now look at a Missle hole that hit the USS Cole (DDG-67)
Listen playa, I saw loose change video, it was very compeling. Then I saw a program that debates much of it. It too was very believeable.
No, thats not a picture of a passanger plane into the pentegon. But whose picture is that?
ANd that does not look like a somting that is about to fall. And why would that dude be standing right on top of it? If they can confiscate videos, why does that picture get circulated? And don't compare the USS cole to the pentegon and ask anyone here to explain it.
It all might be true, but who writes this? Really, 1100 engineering firms have signed a petition? Really? Really?
Andrew wrote:911 conspiracy web sites continue to post crap so you contiue to visit them...making them ad money. Thats the conspiracy.
There are a lot of questions that just don't have answers. Some credible politicians and scientists have pointed out inconsistencies. I think it is possible that certain high ranking officials knew of it in advance and let it happen.
Another pic before the collapse ^ Notice the structure is still intact even where the wings should have smashed into the building
Here is the hole in the building - it's been reported by at least a dozen different sources (including conspiracy theory sites) to be a 16 to 20 foot hole. That is really interesting when you take into account the fact that the 757 body is 12 ft 4in wide and 13 ft 6in high. (Here is where I was mistaken in the past, like so very many others I was led astray by the HEIGHT of the aircraft, which is actually the measurement from the wheels-down to the tip of the tail. That measurement is for aircraft hangar clearance, not the SIZE of the aircraft.) The 757 is basically a cylinder that is 13 feet across. It then should not be surprising that it would create something around a thirteen foot hole in the side of the building.
Look at the nose-on view of a 757 - you can see the body is slightly less than 1/3 the size of the height of the aircraft. The tail certainly isn't going to punch a hole through a reinforced concrete wall; that is why there is no 40 foot hole in the front of the Pentagon in any photos. A 40 foot object didn't hit it, a 13 foot object did.
Its not perfect and we for sure phuch over many people both domestic and abroad. System is not perfect but who got that place we can truly point to and say its signficantly better?
And if it is, then you can replecate that social nirvana by living a more simple life, save lots of money, or better yet donate it to help others.
We can live the according to our morals if we so choose. And we don't have to impose our will on others.
The democracy will always be challanged by douche bag right wings which is why we must vote proper and respect the values of others. Even those conservative deserve some respect. Its called the middle ground and its where we usually end up. The democracy will always need work to maintain the balance.
This country for all its warts is still a very special place even if its not pefect. And yeah, somtimes the balance tips and to preserve the "american way of life" we have make sacrifices.
I Studied and even visited Soviet Russia almost 30 years ago. Im not expert, but my view is that while Stalin was murderous sociopath without his purges the country MIGHT have plunged into Civil war over and over again PERHAPS exacting a death count that might have surpassed his estimated 20 million in Soviet russia and maybe spills over into other conflicts. But we don't have the clarity of hindsight. Stalin was bad. Maybe without him its worse. Don't know.
Our history is filled with regretful moments and decisions have to be made and accounted for later in time.
Its true, people in power get wealthy and inflict their will on others. Monarch's, dictators, and war lords can't get elected out. WE can vote them out and evolve change.
Ok Playa, take it further: if we did as you say we did, what and who profits by it?
And if you a Veteran and upset with the way our country treated you please share that also. If so its your reality.
But conspiricies have to be for a purpose. For example Bush Sr. leaves Saddam in power to leave a credible threat in the middle east to give the Saudi's a reason for us to put a base there. We establish a foot hold because mounting an attact and perhaps occupation without a base is very expensive.
What is the purpose to knocking out the buildings??? And what is the purpose for this current war? What if Israel gets nuked? For get it being a "jewish thing", you blow it up millions die, and tens of milliion in retaliation. They will also radiate the oil supply and it will stop flowing. A world wide depression happens and hungry people get real mean and start doing real bad things to each other.
The chess game is played at a higher level. In chess, you have expendable assets. Lose the battle but win the war. Costs us either way.
As they they say, " it a cold world out there" or "you want the truth, you can't handle the truth"!!!!!!
Conspricies keep us "Busy".......thats what they want man, keeping us busy man, real busy!
Nalod wrote:If oil companies and gov't are ripping us off, are we still not the wealthest country on the planet?
How do you figure we are the "wealthiest country" on the planet?
The democracy will always be challanged by douche bag right wings which is why we must vote proper and respect the values of others. Even those conservative deserve some respect. Its called the middle ground and its where we usually end up. The democracy will always need work to maintain the balance.
Both parties are controlled by corporate america and their high powered lobbyists.
Ok Playa, take it further: if we did as you say we did, what and who profits by it?
That's the big question. larry silverstein made a ton and so did the oil companies following 9/11. but who knows who made the most money.
But conspiricies have to be for a purpose. For example Bush Sr. leaves Saddam in power to leave a credible threat in the middle east
disagree. he left saddam in power because saddam had a ton of biological weapons at that time. bush senior waited for saddam to disarm by putting all sorts of sanctions on him. then UN inspectors and everyone else went in and checked to make sure he had no weapons. When they were sure, his son made up intelligence reports and attacked Iraq. Saddam didnt have his WMD's to fall back on.
to give the Saudi's a reason for us to put a base there. We establish a foot hold because mounting an attact and perhaps occupation without a base is very expensive.We have owned the saudi's for over half a century now.
Conspricies keep us "Busy".......thats what they want man, keeping us busy man, real busy!
watergate would have been just a conspiracy if woodward and bernstein were told to stop wasting time on conspiracy theories.
The problem with truth is that it's hard to swallow and sometimes it sounds so far off that you refuse to believe it.
The fact that NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON HAS BEEN PUNISHED FOR THE LARGEST SECURITY FAILURE IN AMERICAN HISTORY
The salvage company who helped clean up the towers and sold the scrap metal, that's the same company who cleaned up Oklahoma city bombing of the federal Building .
And don't forget the no-bid contracts that Haliburton is the biggest clue to someone getting paid off for the whole thing.
Is it possible that Bush was already planning on attacking Iraq before he ever took office in 2001? If so, he needed to get the American people pretty fired up mad at the Arabs. You know that he doesn't seem to have much of a problem ordering executions. He got his start as Governor of Texas. He never stayed one execution.
So, what could be more perfect. Bush, family & inner circle orchestrate "mastermind" in their words this supposed terrorist attack on the Twin Towers, killing some 3000 or more innocent people, which probably didn't really bother him much. That sets off a chain of events, all parts of a plan to make the Bush Family Dynasty even more rich and powerful, etc...
So of course, it is immediately leaked to the media that the "hijackers" were of Middle Eastern descent. Most people believe the media. Especially grieving people, who want to grasp at any straw that makes some sort of sense.
Bush is conveniently in Florida, reading to young school children at the time of the attacks. He had probably rehearsed this moment for a long time. So, now he swiftly responds, gets things somewhat under control, convinces the nation that we will take care of those terrorists, it will never happen again, etc..etc... Of course, he has had a personal vendetta against Saddam Hussein for quite some time, as has the rest of his family.
So, now that he looks like a hero to most of the sheep in this country, has them all believing that the terrorists were Middle Eastern, causing America to become indignant, and want to "get" those who have taken the lives of their loved ones.
playa2 wrote:Wednesday, May 26, 2010Respected Middle East expert and former BBC presenter Alan Hart has broken his silence on 9/11, by revealing that the world’s most prominent civil engineering company told him directly that the collapse of the twin towers was a controlled demolition.
Speaking on the Kevin Barrett show yesterday, Hart said he thought the 9/11 attack probably started as a Muslim operation headed up by Osama Bin Laden but that the plot was subsequently hijacked and carried out by Mossad agents in collusion with elements of the CIA, adding that since its formation, Israel has penetrated every Arab government and terrorist organization.
“My guess is that at an early point they said to the bad guys in the CIA – hey this operation’s running what do we do, and the zionists and the neo-cons said let’s use it,” said Hart, making reference to how top neo-cons like Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and their fellow Project For a New American Century authors had called for a “catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor,” the year before 9/11.
“The twin towers were brought down by a controlled ground explosion, not the planes,” said Hart, adding that this view was based on his close friendship with consultants who work with the world’s leading civil engineering and construction firm.
Hart asked the company to study the collapse of the twin towers, after which they told him directly, “There’s absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the towers were brought down by a controlled ground explosion.”
Hart then explained how the five dancing Israelis seen celebrating the attack on the World Trade Center in New Jersey as it unfolded, who turned out to be Mossad agents, proves at at a minimum Israel knew the attack was going to happen. Hart went further in speculating that the planes had been fitted with transponders and that the Israelis were guiding them in to the towers.
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Top Construction Firm: WTC Destroyed By Controlled Demolition 150410banner1
Host Barrett pointed out that to carry out the successful controlled demolition of three of the biggest buildings in history, the conspirators would have to ensure that they were hit, making the use of remote controlled airliners a distinct possibility. In addition, Barrett mentioned the fact that he had interviewed numerous pilots who dismissed the chances of accurately guiding a huge commercial airliner into a building while flying at sea level at around 600 miles per hour, especially considering the alleged 9/11 hijackers struggled to even fly basic Cessna light aircraft.
“Sounding a chilling note, Hart added that the U.S. is in grave danger of an Israeli-instigated false-flag nuclear attack, perhaps using an American nuclear weapon stolen from Minot Air Force Base during the “loose nukes” rogue operation of August, 2007. The motive would be to trigger a U.S. war with Iran, and perhaps to finish the ethnic cleansing of Palestine under cover of war–which Hart is convinced the Zionists are planning to do as soon as the opportunity presents itself,” writes host Barratt.
Given his biography and standing, Hart’s comments are not to be taken lightly. Hart is a former Middle East Chief Correspondent for ITN News and has also presented for BBC Panorama specializing in the Middle East. He was also a war reporter in Vietnam and the first journalist to reach Suez Canal with the Israeli army in 1967. Over the decades, Hart has developed close relationships with numerous high profile political figures, including the Shah of Iran, Yasser Arafat and Shimon Peres.
Hart has been a successful author for years and has no reason to fabricate the fact that a top construction firm told him point blank that the towers were brought down in a controlled demolition.
In forwarding this information, Hart joins legions of other credible experts who to some extent or other have all publicly challenged the official 9/11 story, with many outright stating that the attacks were an inside job, people like 20-year decorated CIA veteran Robert Baer, who told a radio host that “the evidence points at” 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job.
In addition, no less than 1198 architectural and engineering specialists have signed a petition demanding Congress re-open an official investigation into the 9/11 attack and the collapse of the twin towers.
Youre right. I admit. We did it. We were bored. We already had all the money, newspapers, Hollywood, power, bombs and we just needed something fresh to do. Can you blame a guy?!
The mere fact that anyone could claim that jews were celebrating after 9/11 is laughable by itself. Thousands of jews dies, and you think we were celebrating? I was in Little Lebanon in London when the bombs went off, and I saw with my own eyes the muslims celebrating their greatest "victory". It sickens me when anyone says my people would feel any kind of happiness for something like this and i am personally insulted you posted this embarasment of an article. Anyone who says jews had any involvement in 9/11 loses all credibility and you should be banned again just for the crime of believing this article.
A month before September 11th Mike Vreeland, an American in a Lindsay, Ontario jail awaiting trial for credit card fraud, handed his guards a sheet of paper. (see the note online)
The U.S. authorities said that Vreeland had an extensive criminal record showing he was a con-man and was wanted on outstanding warrants across the border. But Vreeland claimed that it was all a cover story to disguise what he really was - an American working for the Pentagon.
He claimed that for a month before 9/11 he had tried to warn Canadian and American authorities that something terrible was about to happen. His lawyers entered the sheet of paper as evidence. On it were various words and phrases, including "World Trade Center" and "Pentagon." They insisted that it was a list of 9/11 targets that Vreeland had uncovered and been trying to warn the authorities about.
The court found no basis to his claim. Mike Vreeland jumped bail and disappeared. But on the internet, he remains a poster boy for those who believe that September 11th was planned by the American government.
THE BIG LIE
The most infamous conspiracy theorist of them all is Thierry Meyssan. His book "The Big Lie" was a bestseller in Europe and lays out a conspiracy theory which challenges the official version of the September 11th attack on the Pentagon. Meyssan claims that American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the U.S. Defense headquarters in Washington because the size of the hole in the Pentagon was too small.
Instead he concludes that the impact was caused by something much smaller - like a surface to air missile - that was fired by the American government itself. And the attack on the World Trade Center? Those jets were empty and controlled by radio beacons from the ground. And behind it all was George W. Bush and other U.S. officials.
WTC 7 was home headquarters of thousands upon thousands of files and hard drives located that were utterly destroyed that day. There are probably all kinds of corporate DIRT that we will never find out about because the evidence has been destroyed.
WTC 7 Tenants
Salomon Smith Barney
U.S. Secret Service
American Express Bank International
Standard Chartered Bank
Provident Financial Management
ITT Hartford Insurance Group
First State Management Group, Inc
Federal Home Loan Bank
NAIC Securities
Securities & Exchange Commission
NYC Mayor's Office of Emergency Management
firefly wrote:The mere fact that anyone could claim that jews were celebrating after 9/11 is laughable by itself. Thousands of jews dies, and you think we were celebrating? I was in Little Lebanon in London when the bombs went off, and I saw with my own eyes the muslims celebrating their greatest "victory". It sickens me when anyone says my people would feel any kind of happiness for something like this and i am personally insulted you posted this embarasment of an article. Anyone who says jews had any involvement in 9/11 loses all credibility and you should be banned again just for the crime of believing this article.
Thats BS and you know it! Why should anyone get banned for posting links or articles from some other site? Why don't you refute using another article or a response or ignore the post entirely? An article points to a mossad operative and you take it to be a knock on the entire Jewish community? He could be a rouge operative or could be impersonating a real mossad agent. The article points fingers at the CIA and the white house. Does that mean he is knocking every Christian in the world?
Should Christians around the world be offended by the entire nation of Israel every time a hasidic in Jerusalem spits on Christians? Stop calling for people to be banned off this forum when they post articles. It is not personal and it was not meant to be offensive to you or anyone else.
Silverfuel wrote:firefly wrote:The mere fact that anyone could claim that jews were celebrating after 9/11 is laughable by itself. Thousands of jews dies, and you think we were celebrating? I was in Little Lebanon in London when the bombs went off, and I saw with my own eyes the muslims celebrating their greatest "victory". It sickens me when anyone says my people would feel any kind of happiness for something like this and i am personally insulted you posted this embarasment of an article. Anyone who says jews had any involvement in 9/11 loses all credibility and you should be banned again just for the crime of believing this article.
Thats BS and you know it! Why should anyone get banned for posting links or articles from some other site? Why don't you refute using another article or a response or ignore the post entirely? An article points to a mossad operative and you take it to be a knock on the entire Jewish community? He could be a rouge operative or could be impersonating a real mossad agent. The article points fingers at the CIA and the white house. Does that mean he is knocking every Christian in the world?Should Christians around the world be offended by the entire nation of Israel every time a hasidic in Jerusalem spits on Christians? Stop calling for people to be banned off this forum when they post articles. It is not personal and it was not meant to be offensive to you or anyone else.
First off, Hasidic jews in Jerusalem dont spit on Christians. Id like to hear one account of that happening please. And if they did, yeah you should be insulted and Ill go down there with you to stop it. Second, I do take it as a affront to the entire jewish community because it is blatantly untrue. Five Mossad agents in NJ and they were seen celebrating?! Seriously? How did they know they were Mossad? Why would they be celebrating in public if they just blew up 2 huge office buildings? Why would they be in NJ? Youre asking me to refute it using another article? I would be amazing if anyone spent the energy writing an article to refute it!
Whether it was meant to be insulting or not, it is. Youre right about one thing tho Silver. I shouldnt take someone elses idiocity personally. Im reminded of a quote. "Never argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel".
firefly wrote:First off, Hasidic jews in Jerusalem dont spit on Christians. Id like to hear one account of that happening please. And if they did, yeah you should be insulted and Ill go down there with you to stop it. Second, I do take it as a affront to the entire jewish community because it is blatantly untrue.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/new...
A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind. For the most part, they ignore it but sometimes they cannot.
I am surprised you did not know of this. It is very common from what I understand. One of my professors who was raised in Israel said it was a problem.
Five Mossad agents in NJ and they were seen celebrating?! Seriously? How did they know they were Mossad? Why would they be celebrating in public if they just blew up 2 huge office buildings? Why would they be in NJ? Youre asking me to refute it using another article? I would be amazing if anyone spent the energy writing an article to refute it!
If you think its BS then refute, don't say he should be banned! I have been insulted plenty of time before on this forum. People have taken a shot at me. No one was taking a shot at you! BTW, there were several articles saying muslims in NJ were celebrating but I don't see you coming to their aid.
Whether it was meant to be insulting or not, it is. Youre right about one thing tho Silver. I shouldnt take someone elses idiocity personally. Im reminded of a quote. "Never argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel".
See, thats the problem. You don't want to prove him wrong, you want to silence him!
Silverfuel wrote:firefly wrote:First off, Hasidic jews in Jerusalem dont spit on Christians. Id like to hear one account of that happening please. And if they did, yeah you should be insulted and Ill go down there with you to stop it. Second, I do take it as a affront to the entire jewish community because it is blatantly untrue.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/new...A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind. For the most part, they ignore it but sometimes they cannot.
I am surprised you did not know of this. It is very common from what I understand. One of my professors who was raised in Israel said it was a problem.Five Mossad agents in NJ and they were seen celebrating?! Seriously? How did they know they were Mossad? Why would they be celebrating in public if they just blew up 2 huge office buildings? Why would they be in NJ? Youre asking me to refute it using another article? I would be amazing if anyone spent the energy writing an article to refute it!
If you think its BS then refute, don't say he should be banned! I have been insulted plenty of time before on this forum. People have taken a shot at me. No one was taking a shot at you! BTW, there were several articles saying muslims in NJ were celebrating but I don't see you coming to their aid.Whether it was meant to be insulting or not, it is. Youre right about one thing tho Silver. I shouldnt take someone elses idiocity personally. Im reminded of a quote. "Never argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel".
See, thats the problem. You don't want to prove him wrong, you want to silence him!
Im honestly saddened about the spitting. As a jew whos been spat on MAAAANY times, it sickens me that other jews would do the same. Especially older people who should know better. Believe me when I say, had I been there, I would have stood up for the clergyman.
The banning comment was an overreaction, but thats what Playa tries to elicit in people. He doesnt care what he posts as long as its contreversial. He probably still thinks I have horns and hide them under my skullcap (like a little kid in a theme park asked his mom as I walked by). And youre right. I dont feel the need to prove someone like Playa wrong, no proof is required. And with someone like that, I doesnt matter to him whether hes right or wrong, he'll print it anyway. And thats not a good thing. I respect everyones right to free speech, but I have a right to come to my favourite website and not be subjected to his foolishness. I dont come here for that. And if your response to that will be "dont read it", Im concerned for the people who will read it and believe theres a shred of truth in anything he says. Im not going to spend my life refuting every wrong thing he says, but Id rather he find somewhere else to say it so that people who I know, like the other members of this forum dont assume what hes saying is correct and view me in a different light.
firefly wrote:And if your response to that will be "dont read it", Im concerned for the people who will read it and believe theres a shred of truth in anything he says.
Its a forum and people have different points of view. How many people can you ask to ban? Lets say you succeed in getting playa banned. What happens tomorrow when someone else signs up and shares his point of view? You are gonna want them banned too?
Im not going to spend my life refuting every wrong thing he says, but Id rather he find somewhere else to say it so that people who I know, like the other members of this forum dont assume what hes saying is correct and view me in a different light.
I feel somewhat responsible for this thread. Earlier this week I came across a CNN video where they interviewed several people in WTC and I emailed it to playa. He posted it here (clearly not with the intention of being controversial) and got attacked by other people that post here. I cannot just stand by and watch while playa gets banned for something I made him aware of. Especially since a legit video from CNN!
7 WTC did not fall on its own.
Silverfuel wrote:firefly wrote:And if your response to that will be "dont read it", Im concerned for the people who will read it and believe theres a shred of truth in anything he says.
Its a forum and people have different points of view. How many people can you ask to ban? Lets say you succeed in getting playa banned. What happens tomorrow when someone else signs up and shares his point of view? You are gonna want them banned too?Im not going to spend my life refuting every wrong thing he says, but Id rather he find somewhere else to say it so that people who I know, like the other members of this forum dont assume what hes saying is correct and view me in a different light.
I feel somewhat responsible for this thread. Earlier this week I came across a CNN video where they interviewed several people in WTC and I emailed it to playa. He posted it here (clearly not with the intention of being controversial) and got attacked by other people that post here. I cannot just stand by and watch while playa gets banned for something I made him aware of. Especially since a legit video from CNN!7 WTC did not fall on its own.
Listen, this is a bball forum. The OT stuff is fun and informative but not the real reason we are here. I see the main guys here as friends. If they needed something Id be there, and Id assume vice versa too. If, when I first came to UK, I checked out the OT thread and there were a bunch of posters discussing the merits of gas over ovens, I wouldnt have joined. 99.9% of the poeple who see this forum do not believe in the Elders of Zion, do not believe that Jews run the world and want to kill everyone but themselves, do not believe that the holocaust is a myth, I could go on. If someone comes into our house and starts spreading his beliefs and those beliefs match the above sentance then yeah, you damn right I want them banned too.
Martin and Andrew have a choice to make. They can choose to have a moderate, slightly left-leaning group of users or an extremist, far-right group of users who believe that anyone not white, christians, American and gun-toting is the debil. I believe they have chosen the former and Im proud to be a part of that group. Ive got no problem with Playa posting his conspiracy theories sometimes, bu maybe he should read some of the stuff he posts first and consider how it makes him look.
firefly wrote:If someone comes into our house and starts spreading his beliefs and those beliefs match the above sentance then yeah, you damn right I want them banned too.
You are gonna decide what people can and cannot post? Tomorrow you will disagree with something I say and you will want me banned? The article he posted was not directed towards you personally.