Off Topic · Proof the Bombs not planes took down WTC (page 8)

Look at the original hole, and you believe a 757 went thru there, or a missle ?

This theory about the missle has been debunked for years and there even was a Nat Geo special where they did tests and proved it could not have been a missle. How can anyone still be on this?

playa2 wrote:http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagonpi...

Look at the original hole, and you believe a 757 went thru there, or a missle ?

Look at the hole right above the car, wouldn't you think if a 757 was cruising in at 400 mph the the wall structure around the hole would be damaged or destroyed ?

Man you must work for the CIA or something, you can't convince me a 757 only made that kind of damage.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memory... peep this and give me your excuse

playa2 wrote:

playa2 wrote:http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagonpi...

Look at the original hole, and you believe a 757 went thru there, or a missle ?

Look at the hole right above the car, wouldn't you think if a 757 was cruising in at 400 mph the the wall structure around the hole would be damaged or destroyed ?

Man you must work for the CIA or something, you can't convince me a 757 only made that kind of damage.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memory... peep this and give me your excuse

Well, I already know I can't convince you. That's the whole reason this thread is pointless. You don't want to have a discussion about it. As for the "wouldn't you think" part... are you an expert in physics, aeronautics and bombs? If not, what are you basing arguments like that this is not the type of a hole that would be made? Here's the problem: "Common sense" doesn't work, because unfortunately sense is not so common. Experiments and studies do work and prove that this is actually the exact type of hole that would be made. Yet, you somehow choose to ignore these and instead focus only on rumors by more common civilians who have no expertise either.

You know, when it first happened, I too had my suspicions, but these theories have been debunked so many times. Are the thousands and thousands of people who have actually done the research all "in on it"? Couldn't it be that you're just chasing absolutely nothing?

playa2 wrote:

playa2 wrote:http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagonpi...

Look at the original hole, and you believe a 757 went thru there, or a missle ?

Look at the hole right above the car, wouldn't you think if a 757 was cruising in at 400 mph the the wall structure around the hole would be damaged or destroyed ?

Man you must work for the CIA or something, you can't convince me a 757 only made that kind of damage.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memory... peep this and give me your excuse

Are you saying after you watched this clip you think if a 757 really slammed into a building and the outer structure would only produce a small hole with fires all around ??? the building didn't collaspe until 20 mintues later when the bombs planted inside blew up.
Military PERSONEL smelled cordite on the grounds and knew explosives went off there. How can you debunk that ?
What about all the jet fuel that allegedly brought down the massive twin towers, why wasn't everything burnt up inside where a chair with a book on it stood there un touched. Cmon man you don't have to be a scientist to see there is a major discrepency here. People get paid off to make up stuff or threaten in a conspiracy. Look how long it took JFK to be exposed. We live in times where knowledge is being accelerated independent news and media and video are exposing what the main media won't because they are controlled and silenced. This was planned out yrs in advance, not by some cave dwellars in the middle east.

Watch it again and don't let the american media mind machine convince you, these people know how to spread propaganbda to a naive American people who wanted revenge who think they are so smart and will believe the 1st report without any real proof.

Yes Bush bought some l and when our country goes into chaos he will be able to escape.
Bush and his cronies are just out to get rich, kill off the USA and run into the night with vast, vast amounts of stolen and plundered wealth.

At least two sources now report that Bush has purchased an isolated 100,000 acre ranch in Acuifero Guarani, Paraguay - a favored escape route for convicted Nazi war criminals following WWII.

An Argentine official regarded the intention of the George W. Bush family to settle on the Acuifero Guarani (Paraguay) as surprising, besides being a bad signal for the governments of the region. Luis D Elia, undersecretary for the Social Habitat in the Argentine Federal Planning Ministry, issued a memo partially reproduced by digital INFOBAE.com, in which he spoke of the purchase by Bush of a 98,842-acre farm in northern Paraguay, between Brazil and Bolivia.

Another rumored land deal involves the the U.S. military and Paraguay.

Five hundred U.S. troops arrived in Paraguay with planes, weapons, and ammunition in July 2005, shortly after the Paraguayan Senate granted U.S. troops immunity from national and International Criminal Court (ICC) jurisdiction. Neighboring countries and human rights organizations are concerned that the massive air base at Mariscal Estigarribia, Paraguay is potential real estate for the U.S. military.

The timing of the U.S. military operation into Paraguay and the Bush family’s land acquisition in Paraguay cannot be an accident.

Also, Jenna Bush’s recent 10 day visit to Paraguay may have less to do with her work for UNICEF (as reported) and more to do with finalizing the land purchase for her family.

This story was also reported in Canada and Mexico. It has been ignored in the US. Wonder why?

All dictators eventually wind up in South America. Bush is just following in the path of those who came before him. His elders, if you will.

Nalod wrote:Ten years of this stuff and still nobody does Jack with it.
Playa, what is the purpose of all this? Just more money?

Silverfuel wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ten years of this stuff and still nobody does Jack with it.
Playa, what is the purpose of all this? Just more money?

Come on man, I want to read those articles. What if 1 of those that playa posts proves something substantial? Like he said, he was a soldier and served his country. If he is not making personal comments about you or anyone else, let him post it and whoever wants to read it will read it.

If thats your reason for tolerating this thread then Playa is doing both you and himself a great disservice. Whos gonna notice one golden nugget in the torrent of drivel? I mean c'mon, Bush bought a new house and that proves hes Mengele? Who thinks that stuff is legit? I dont believe you do Silver, you seem way too rational for that.

firefly wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ten years of this stuff and still nobody does Jack with it.
Playa, what is the purpose of all this? Just more money?

Come on man, I want to read those articles. What if 1 of those that playa posts proves something substantial? Like he said, he was a soldier and served his country. If he is not making personal comments about you or anyone else, let him post it and whoever wants to read it will read it.

If thats your reason for tolerating this thread then Playa is doing both you and himself a great disservice. Whos gonna notice one golden nugget in the torrent of drivel? I mean c'mon, Bush bought a new house and that proves hes Mengele? Who thinks that stuff is legit? I dont believe you do Silver, you seem way too rational for that.

Also, I am not interested in the sum of all parts.

http://www.911pressfortruth.com/#

"I don't want anyone to know what it's like to watch your husband burn alive on television," Kristen Breitweiser told CBS News Correspondent Mika Brzezinski.

After the attacks they fought hard for an independent investigation, showing up in Washington on a regular basis. They wanted to know why so many government agencies failed to stop the 9/11 hijackers.

"Two years out and there still seems to be a shroud of secrecy," she said.

Thursday they were back on Capitol Hill to express in person their dissatisfaction with the congressional report investigating the attacks on America.

"The report is incomplete at best," said Breitweiser. "Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi. We have clear and convincing money trails linking the Saudi princes to the terrorists. Why that's not finding its way into the report, I don't know."

Patti Casazza says she knows why.

"Geopolitical interests. Saudi Arabia provides a large amount of oil."

Asked if she believes the Bush Administration is withholding information, Casazza replied, "They are blacking out info in the report. That is withholding information."

These women did their homework, check out the other links to the right too.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2792078/810...

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/281739

There are five extremely sophisticated anti-missile batteries in place to protect the Pentagon from an airborne attack. These anti-missile batteries operate automatically.

Pentagon spokesman, Lieutenant-Colonel Vic Warzinski claimed the military had not been expecting such an attack. This is not credible. Because the transponder had been turned off, the Pentagon knew full well where that aircraft was. Communications between civilian air traffic controllers and the various federal authorities functioned perfectly.

At 9:25 a.m., the control tower at Dulles airport observed an unidentified vehicle speeding towards the restricted airspace that surrounds the capital. [Washington Post, 12 September, 2001] The craft was heading toward the White House. "All of a sudden, the plane turned away. ...This must be a fighter. This must be one of our guys sent in, scrambled to patrol our capital and to protect our president... We lost radar contact with that aircraft. And we waited. ... And then the Washington National controllers came over our speakers in our room and said, "Dulles, hold all of our inbound traffic. The Pentagon's been hit." [Danielle O'Brien, ABC News, 24 October 2001]

The Army possesses several very sophisticated radar monitoring systems. the PAVE PAWS system is used to detect and track objects difficult to pick up such as missiles flying at very low altitudes. PAVE PAWS misses NOTHING occurring in North American airspace. "The radar system is capable of detecting and monitoring a great number of targets that would be consistent with a massive SLBM [Submarine Launched Ballistic Missile] attack. The system is capable of rapidly discriminating between vehicle types, calculating their launch and impact points.

Thus, contrary to the Pentagon's claims, the military knew very well that an unidentified vehicle was headed straight for the capital. Yet, the military did not react, and the Pentagon's anti-missile batteries did not function.

Why?

Military aircraft and missiles possess transponders which are much more sophisticated than those of civilian planes. These transponders enable the craft to declare itself to the electronic eyes watching American airspace as either friendly or hostile. An anti-missile battery will not, for example, react to the passage of a "friendly missile," so that, in battlefield conditions, it is ensured that only enemy armaments and vehicles are destroyed.

Thus, it seems that whatever hit the Pentagon MUST have had a military transponder signalling that it was "friendly" - i.e. it would take an American Military craft to penetrate the defenses of the Pentagon - or the anti-missile batteries would have been automatically activated.

Strangely, the entire responsibility for air defense is attributed to NORAD, and that is simply not the truth.

The National Military Command Center, located IN the Pentagon centralizes all information concerning plane hijackings and directs military operations. The NMCC was in a state of maximum alert on the morning of 11 September. The highest military authority of NMCC is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. On 11 September, General Henry Shelton fulfilled this role. However, Shelton was en route for Europe, somewhere over the Atlantic. Thus, his job fell to his deputy, General Richard Myers who was hobnobbing with Senator Max Cleland at the time of the attacks.

In short, the answers to what happened on that day devolve to claimed technical failures, coordination problems, temporary incapacity, absence of commanders, transfer of responsibility, and so on.

That, of course, does not answer the question as to why the automatic systems in place did not work. Mike Ruppert has written that there were "military exercises" taking place that day suggesting that the automatic systems were temporarily turned off. If that is the case, then it is either the greatest coincidence in history that the same day was the day some crazy terrorists, planning from a cave in Afghanistan decided to attack America, or there is someone in the U.S. government who told them.

In short, the Greatest Military machine on earth is obliged to declare itself the Most Incompetent. And because of its incompetence, thousands of American lives were lost and no one has been held accountable. At the same time, Draconian laws curtainling American freedoms have been passed to "make American Safe." The fact is, if the systems already in place had been online, there would not have been an attack on the second WTC Tower, much less the Pentagon.

Let's remember, the government is always at least 15-20 years ahead in technology from where they publicly admit. So pulling off 911 with advanced equipment is very probable.

Judge for yourself, this is common sense.

Look, there is a nice cottage industry on conspiracy.

And like I said weeks ago, im not opposed to the theory. Im looking for the political and economic gains by this. Not just "the rich get richer!"

Nalod wrote:Playa, wheres the source of that in which you discuss and want me to.

Look, there is a nice cottage industry on conspiracy.

And like I said weeks ago, im not opposed to the theory. Im looking for the political and economic gains by this. Not just "the rich get richer!"

Seriously bro, do you really think this information would be easily known by masses of people in America ? Those who know keep quiet and fear for their families lives.

I believe the goal is for America to be brought to it's knees eventually and forced to homogenize with other countries. Always remember destruction of a nation is usually from within, remember Rome ! Pearl Harbor was from within, JFK Assassination was from within. 911 WASN'T PLANNED AND CARRIED OUT BY SOME GUYS HIDING IN CAVES!!! If it was that easy it would have happen way before then. The bombing at the world trade center in 93 was a trial run.

I believe the plan went full throttle on Sept11 where we sold this country out for good.

The goal is for a new world order where we won't be the "Superpower" anymore, but become like everyone else. There are big names who sold this country out knowing they will be exempt from the collapse. This much bigger than we could ever think !

playa2 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Playa, wheres the source of that in which you discuss and want me to.

Look, there is a nice cottage industry on conspiracy.

And like I said weeks ago, im not opposed to the theory. Im looking for the political and economic gains by this. Not just "the rich get richer!"

Seriously bro, do you really think this information would be easily known by masses of people in America ? Those who know keep quiet and fear for their families lives.

I believe the goal is for America to be brought to it's knees eventually and forced to homogenize with other countries. Always remember destruction of a nation is usually from within, remember Rome ! Pearl Harbor was from within, JFK Assassination was from within. 911 WASN'T PLANNED AND CARRIED OUT BY SOME GUYS HIDING IN CAVES!!! If it was that easy it would have happen way before then. The bombing at the world trade center in 93 was a trial run.

I believe the plan went full throttle on Sept11 where we sold this country out for good.

The goal is for a new world order where we won't be the "Superpower" anymore, but become like everyone else. There are big names who sold this country out knowing they will be exempt from the collapse. This much bigger than we could ever think !

Finally we get to the core of your reasoning!

So WHO is behind this undermining of America? Who gains and who loses in such a scenario?

Nalod wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Playa, wheres the source of that in which you discuss and want me to.

Look, there is a nice cottage industry on conspiracy.

And like I said weeks ago, im not opposed to the theory. Im looking for the political and economic gains by this. Not just "the rich get richer!"

Seriously bro, do you really think this information would be easily known by masses of people in America ? Those who know keep quiet and fear for their families lives.

I believe the goal is for America to be brought to it's knees eventually and forced to homogenize with other countries. Always remember destruction of a nation is usually from within, remember Rome ! Pearl Harbor was from within, JFK Assassination was from within. 911 WASN'T PLANNED AND CARRIED OUT BY SOME GUYS HIDING IN CAVES!!! If it was that easy it would have happen way before then. The bombing at the world trade center in 93 was a trial run.

I believe the plan went full throttle on Sept11 where we sold this country out for good.

The goal is for a new world order where we won't be the "Superpower" anymore, but become like everyone else. There are big names who sold this country out knowing they will be exempt from the collapse. This much bigger than we could ever think !

Finally we get to the core of your reasoning!

So WHO is behind this undermining of America? Who gains and who loses in such a scenario?

playa's military AND media training came courtesy of robert ludlum.