Off Topic · It's Been a Bad Week for GOP Lies About Obama...(from Huffington Post) (page 1)
By Mitchell Bard:
A study came out this week demonstrating, not surprisingly, that pundits and politicians tend to be consistently wrong with their predictions. (As an aside, I was not surprised but quite happy to see that Paul Krugman was rated as the most accurate prognosticator, with former Pennsylvania governor Ed Rendell, Sen. Charles Schumer, and House minority leader Nancy Pelosi close behind; George Will was among the least accurate.)
It made me think of how, from the time Barack Obama stood on the steps of the Capitol and took the oath of office, Republicans made destroying him politically their number one priority. In doing so, facts were optional (death panels and socialism, anyone?). After all, like the study shows, they could make all kinds of outlandish threats and predictions, and they didn't have to be (and weren't) correct.
But as the last week or two unfolded, I was struck by how several news events absolutely obliterated three of the top lies told by Republicans to try and bring down the president (no matter the cost to the country).
1. President Obama is soft on terrorism/won't protect the country/is a Muslim sympathizer. From the time Obama took office, he has had to contend with a Republican campaign to portray him as weak on national security. The attacks really took off after the unsuccessful attempt by the "underwear bomber" on Christmas Day 2009, as the Republicans engaged in what Steve Benen brilliantly described as a "collective display of pants-wetting."
But the record shows that Obama has been more aggressive than his predecessor was in targeting and killing terrorist group leaders, including authorizing more drone attacks. But the last couple of weeks really made the Republican scare tactics look downright silly. First, NATO bombed Muammar Gaddafi's home, killing his son. Then, putting nearly 10 long years of frustration to bed, Obama authorized a daring and well-planned operation to kill Osama bin Laden at his retreat in the suburbs of Islamabad. (Remember, George W. Bush didn't prioritize catching or killing bin Laden.)
And while terrorists may be able to strike in the United States no matter what precautions are taken by the president, it is telling that the greatest domestic terrorist attack of the last 100 years took place on Bush's watch (despite being given a memo in August 2001 entitled "Bin Laden determined to strike in US"), but, to date, under Obama, no foreign attacks have been successful on U.S. soil.
Based on the week's events, Republicans will look idiotic if they again try to engage in scare tactics based on an idea that Obama isn't capable of keeping the American people safe.
2. President Obama wants to raise your taxes. These attacks were works of pure fiction, given that Obama campaigned that he wouldn't raise taxes on anyone making more than $250,000 per year, and would cut taxes on most families below that range. And what did he do? Exactly what he promised. In fact, he went beyond his campaign promise, agreeing to extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone, including the wealthy. The result? The Bureau of Economic Analysis just found that Americans now enjoy their lowest tax burden since 1958.
You can argue the wisdom of extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy (I think it was a horrible decision that will further increase the deficit while helping nobody who needs assistance). But despite the fear mongering tactics of Republicans who promised the American people Obama wanted raise their taxes, he has been a tax-cutting president.
3. President Obama wasn't born in the United States. The thing is, it's not like anyone with a quarter of a brain actually doubted Obama's place of birth. After all, he released a scan of his birth certificate in 2008, and Honolulu newspapers reported his birth at the time. But on April 27, as unnecessary as it was, Obama released his long-form birth certificate, putting the issue to rest once and for all.
Many Republicans claim they never questioned Obama's place of birth, and that the birthers represented a small percentage of the party. But even days before Obama released his long-form birth certificate, a CBS News/New York Times poll showed that 45 percent of Republicans believed the president was born outside of the United States. And more importantly, most Republican politicians and pundits who claimed not to be birthers offered only lukewarm dismissals of such claims, refusing to condemn those that questioned the location of the president's birth.
The release of Obama's birth certificate has given Americans a lot of questions to ask themselves: Why did Republicans spend so much time on a patently ludicrous accusation, even while the country was grappling with important problems, including a struggling economy, two wars, and national security, just to name a few? What does it say about a party that would conduct its business that way? And why was this president hit with this kind of an accusation? Nobody asked John McCain for his birth certificate or doubted his eligibility for the presidency, even though he was actually born outside of the continental United States (in the Panama Canal Zone). To be clear, I am not challenging McCain's eligibility. It would be ludicrous to do so because he was legally qualified to run. I am only pointing out that McCain didn't have to endure this kind of scrutiny about his place of birth. Why do you think that is?
Bonus Lie: President Obama is a socialist trying to nationalize industries, as evidenced by the automobile bailout. When, shortly after taking office, Obama decided to bail out Chrysler and General Motors to avoid two million lost jobs at a time when the country was already reeling from high unemployment, he was met with criticism from Republicans. Sen. Richard Shelby, a month before Obama took office, said that attempts to help the auto companies were "only delaying their funeral." But a funny thing happened on the way to the funeral home. By 2010, with the auto makers prospering and getting ready to go public again, Obama declared the bailout a success.
And drowned out by the bigger stories of this week, GM quietly announced Thursday it has tripled its profits.
GOP claims about Obama's actions in the auto industry have been proven to be wrong.
Republicans have been portraying Obama as a socialist, someone out of the political mainstream, since he took office. But the facts show that this just another GOP lie. One third of Obama's stimulus bill was made up of tax cuts, he extended the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, and his health care overhaul, rather than cut out the private insurers, instead handed them millions of new customers. And, of course, his 2012 budget proposal includes a five-year freeze on domestic spending and cuts to a bevy of programs that help low-income Americans and the environment.
Again, you can argue the merits of his proposals, but the Republican lies about Obama's ideological position have been exposed. And the news of GM prospering is just the latest example of Republicans mischaracterizing the president. He never intended to nationalize the industry.
In any event, at a time when the country faces important decisions to make and short- and long-term problems to address, no real effort is being made to come up with solutions, and no real debate is taking place, mainly because Republicans are too busy doing whatever they can to politically destroy the president, often by making false claims about him. But the events of the last two weeks have highlighted the strategy, revealing so many GOP assertions as being straight-out wrong.
I have no hope that the Republicans will change how they operate. But I do hope the American people have taken notice and will react accordingly.
Actually he hopes the conservitive right will reduce their own head count by natural selection via "domestic desputes" or "alcohol related accidental discharge".
Of course "alcohal related accidental discharge" has been known to increase the catholic population for some time now.
Nalod wrote:FOr got the best one which was a huge windfall for gun manufacters and bullet makers: "Obama gonna take your guns away"!Actually he hopes the conservitive right will reduce their own head count by natural selection via "domestic desputes" or "alcohol related accidental discharge".
Of course "alcohal related accidental discharge" has been known to increase the catholic population for some time now.
The actual rumor was that ammunition was going to get an "expiration date." Which is bullshit. But it was only a rumor, but poeple where running out to buy munitions to stay compliant with US law.
I voted for Obama, but I thought his administration sucked giant donkey dong. I think he's failed to deliver on 90+ percent of his campaign promises and he's more sizzle then steak (but one hell of a marketer). Once the satisifaction of Osama's demise subsides, I'll reevaluate my position.
Had it not been for an intelligence and military victory, made possible in large part due to secret technologies and funding the left is largely against, who knows if the SEALS would have even gotten to where they needed to.
And how about Sadam Hussein actually standing trial for his crimes? For all the left's grace, this was a brutal assisination (though I'm not arguing against it). But I guess because a guy in the left told the commandos to execute the hit, it's okay. Had a right cowboy initiated it, I would have had to hear high pitched shrieks from, uh, men with baby soft hands as organic coffee mixed with soy milk got splattered all over my face
jusnice wrote:In any event, at a time when the country faces important decisions to make and short- and long-term problems to address, no real effort is being made to come up with solutions, and no real debate is taking place, mainly because Republicans are too busy doing whatever they can to politically destroy the president, often by making false claims about him.
This is the most asenine "argument" in the history of hyperbole ever written. No debate is taking place because idiots like Mitchell Bard on both sides spew nonsensical preachings from both sides.
Right, that's exactly why nothing is getting done!
SupremeCommander wrote:And I hate this shit. It's shit on both sides. Fox News sucks. But so does CNN. I'm sorry, I don't think some citizen that went to Subsharan Africa to play pattycake with children is news. I also have grown to loathe the air of superiority of the left.I voted for Obama, but I thought his administration sucked giant donkey dong. I think he's failed to deliver on 90+ percent of his campaign promises and he's more sizzle then steak (but one hell of a marketer). Once the satisifaction of Osama's demise subsides, I'll reevaluate my position.
Had it not been for an intelligence and military victory, made possible in large part due to secret technologies and funding the left is largely against, who knows if the SEALS would have even gotten to where they needed to.
And how about Sadam Hussein actually standing trial for his crimes? For all the left's grace, this was a brutal assisination (though I'm not arguing against it). But I guess because a guy in the left told the commandos to execute the hit, it's okay. Had a right cowboy initiated it, I would have had to hear high pitched shrieks from, uh, men with baby soft hands as organic coffee mixed with soy milk got splattered all over my face
SC this is a fantastic post.
personally, i've voted for both bush and obama. to me politics in this country is long past it's expiration date. back when john adam, thomas jefferson and george washington were still kicking do you think they would have wanted politics to turn into this? it's a disgrace. obviously times have changed but really the fundamentals of politics shouldn't have and they did a looooong time ago.
nyk4ever wrote:back when john adam, thomas jefferson and george washington were still kicking do you think they would have wanted politics to turn into this?
HELL NO. Disgrace is a good word for it.
If you haven't read "A People's History of the United States" do it, it's worth the rather significant time investment (and I would also recommend reading the book's criticisms prior as well... best US history book ever written but it shouldn't be held as gospel).
Howard Zinn basically said that two party system wasn't intended to be this, but it eventually evolved into a sophisticated system to prevent revolt. Fed up? Do the AMERICAN thing and VOTE the other party out of office!
SupremeCommander wrote:nyk4ever wrote:back when john adam, thomas jefferson and george washington were still kicking do you think they would have wanted politics to turn into this?Howard Zinn basically said that two party system wasn't intended to be this, but it eventually evolved into a sophisticated system to prevent revolt. Fed up? Do the AMERICAN thing and VOTE the other party out of office!
The fact that we still only have two viable politicial parties in a country as diverse as the US confuses me. Having only two parties allows the special interest groups to have a powerful force and makes the people of this country make an either / or choice every time they vote. I'd love to see multiple, viable polictical parties and somehow force politicians to do what they say they are going to do.
On another front, I feel that Obama has tried to accomplish much of what he set out to do. In retrospect, he may have tried to do too much, especially with the economy in shambles. We seem to forget that he didn't create this financial mess that we are in.
jusnice wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:nyk4ever wrote:back when john adam, thomas jefferson and george washington were still kicking do you think they would have wanted politics to turn into this?Howard Zinn basically said that two party system wasn't intended to be this, but it eventually evolved into a sophisticated system to prevent revolt. Fed up? Do the AMERICAN thing and VOTE the other party out of office!
The fact that we still only have two viable politicial parties in a country as diverse as the US confuses me. Having only two parties allows the special interest groups to have a powerful force and makes the people of this country make an either / or choice every time they vote. I'd love to see multiple, viable polictical parties and somehow force politicians to do what they say they are going to do.
It's really an interesting issue and it's confusing because there isn't a good answer. The original intent was to have parties, but that's just the natural progression of how politicians mobilize(d).
My opinion has to do with balloting and advertising. There certainly is an advantage to where you're listed on the ballot and the different parties have enough juice to effect that, where Joe Blow of the Green Party is going to get put wherever the hell there's room.
Also, I'm willing to bet if you polled the American Public, they'd tell you that the two party system exists because that's how it was drawn up, which couldn't be further from the truth.
When the two party system eventually evolved, it wasn't always Democrat v. Republican. There were Federalists, Whigs, The Democratic-Republican Party, etc.
Parlimentary Governemnts are popular in Western Europe. The say of each party is directly proprotional to the amount of votes that party receives. In theory, each party represents the intertests of the voters.
That is bullshit. What happens is this Survivor like strategy where alliances are formed. Sometimes the majority can control everything. Sometimes two parties wind up being the majority. Sometimes all the little piss ant parties band together and form the majority. Sometimes groups get big enough just to block everyone else.
When a Parlimentary Governemnt works it works better than ours. The problem is that is rare and all sorts of crazy shit usually happens, and then you have groups like the Tea Baggers that actually get an official voice
SupremeCommander wrote:jusnice wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:nyk4ever wrote:back when john adam, thomas jefferson and george washington were still kicking do you think they would have wanted politics to turn into this?Howard Zinn basically said that two party system wasn't intended to be this, but it eventually evolved into a sophisticated system to prevent revolt. Fed up? Do the AMERICAN thing and VOTE the other party out of office!
The fact that we still only have two viable politicial parties in a country as diverse as the US confuses me. Having only two parties allows the special interest groups to have a powerful force and makes the people of this country make an either / or choice every time they vote. I'd love to see multiple, viable polictical parties and somehow force politicians to do what they say they are going to do.
It's really an interesting issue and it's confusing because there isn't a good answer. The original intent was to have parties, but that's just the natural progression of how politicians mobilize(d).
My opinion has to do with balloting and advertising. There certainly is an advantage to where you're listed on the ballot and the different parties have enough juice to effect that, where Joe Blow of the Green Party is going to get put wherever the hell there's room.
Also, I'm willing to bet if you polled the American Public, they'd tell you that the two party system exists because that's how it was drawn up, which couldn't be further from the truth.
When the two party system eventually evolved, it wasn't always Democrat v. Republican. There were Federalists, Whigs, The Democratic-Republican Party, etc.
The original founding fathers were NOT for political parties, whether 2 or many. There is no mention of Political Parties in the U.S. Constitution. When Washington was elected, there were no political parties.
In his farewell address, George Washington warned against the negatives of political parties:
“The common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest of a wise people
to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public counsels and enfeeble the public administration.It agitates the community with ill founded jealousies and false alarms;
kindles the animosity of one part against another,
foments occasional riot and insurrection.It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption,
which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.”
These words of Washington have come true to the max in today's politics. IMO, most politician are more interested in their party's success, and their own success, rather than the country's success. They work against each other constantly; there is constant name-calling and mudslinging.
The answer isn't having a 2 party system or a multi-party system. Just have the politicians grow up and work in the best interest's of the country and the people.
SupremeCommander wrote:And I hate this shit. It's shit on both sides. Fox News sucks. But so does CNN. I'm sorry, I don't think some citizen that went to Subsharan Africa to play pattycake with children is news. I also have grown to loathe the air of superiority of the left.I voted for Obama, but I thought his administration sucked giant donkey dong. I think he's failed to deliver on 90+ percent of his campaign promises and he's more sizzle then steak (but one hell of a marketer). Once the satisifaction of Osama's demise subsides, I'll reevaluate my position.
Had it not been for an intelligence and military victory, made possible in large part due to secret technologies and funding the left is largely against, who knows if the SEALS would have even gotten to where they needed to.
And how about Sadam Hussein actually standing trial for his crimes? For all the left's grace, this was a brutal assisination (though I'm not arguing against it). But I guess because a guy in the left told the commandos to execute the hit, it's okay. Had a right cowboy initiated it, I would have had to hear high pitched shrieks from, uh, men with baby soft hands as organic coffee mixed with soy milk got splattered all over my face
The big donkey kong post approval!
This is right on. And since I haven't heard it mentioned yet:
"Republican congressman to Obama: Mr. President, we're still waiting for the hope and change."
"Obama replies: I'm not campaigning anymore"
Nuff said.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the Prez. Anyone who'd rip down a bowling alley and put up a basketball court can run the world as far as I'm concerned.
Although, honestly, I voted for Alan Keyes.
Markji wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:jusnice wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:nyk4ever wrote:back when john adam, thomas jefferson and george washington were still kicking do you think they would have wanted politics to turn into this?Howard Zinn basically said that two party system wasn't intended to be this, but it eventually evolved into a sophisticated system to prevent revolt. Fed up? Do the AMERICAN thing and VOTE the other party out of office!
The fact that we still only have two viable politicial parties in a country as diverse as the US confuses me. Having only two parties allows the special interest groups to have a powerful force and makes the people of this country make an either / or choice every time they vote. I'd love to see multiple, viable polictical parties and somehow force politicians to do what they say they are going to do.
It's really an interesting issue and it's confusing because there isn't a good answer. The original intent was to have parties, but that's just the natural progression of how politicians mobilize(d).
My opinion has to do with balloting and advertising. There certainly is an advantage to where you're listed on the ballot and the different parties have enough juice to effect that, where Joe Blow of the Green Party is going to get put wherever the hell there's room.
Also, I'm willing to bet if you polled the American Public, they'd tell you that the two party system exists because that's how it was drawn up, which couldn't be further from the truth.
When the two party system eventually evolved, it wasn't always Democrat v. Republican. There were Federalists, Whigs, The Democratic-Republican Party, etc.
The original founding fathers were NOT for political parties, whether 2 or many. There is no mention of Political Parties in the U.S. Constitution. When Washington was elected, there were no political parties.In his farewell address, George Washington warned against the negatives of political parties:
“The common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest of a wise people
to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public counsels and enfeeble the public administration.It agitates the community with ill founded jealousies and false alarms;
kindles the animosity of one part against another,
foments occasional riot and insurrection.It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption,
which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.”
These words of Washington have come true to the max in today's politics. IMO, most politician are more interested in their party's success, and their own success, rather than the country's success. They work against each other constantly; there is constant name-calling and mudslinging.
The answer isn't having a 2 party system or a multi-party system. Just have the politicians grow up and work in the best interest's of the country and the people.
I think getting the whole of the constituency to give a shit is the answer. Everything you said is spot on, but the only way to make it happen is to get the voters to enforce this and make the politicians accountable. Much of the political science theory advocates suppressing voter turnout, as outcomes are easier to predict and appeasing different voter blocks is easier
jrodmc wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:And I hate this shit. It's shit on both sides. Fox News sucks. But so does CNN. I'm sorry, I don't think some citizen that went to Subsharan Africa to play pattycake with children is news. I also have grown to loathe the air of superiority of the left.I voted for Obama, but I thought his administration sucked giant donkey dong. I think he's failed to deliver on 90+ percent of his campaign promises and he's more sizzle then steak (but one hell of a marketer). Once the satisifaction of Osama's demise subsides, I'll reevaluate my position.
Had it not been for an intelligence and military victory, made possible in large part due to secret technologies and funding the left is largely against, who knows if the SEALS would have even gotten to where they needed to.
And how about Sadam Hussein actually standing trial for his crimes? For all the left's grace, this was a brutal assisination (though I'm not arguing against it). But I guess because a guy in the left told the commandos to execute the hit, it's okay. Had a right cowboy initiated it, I would have had to hear high pitched shrieks from, uh, men with baby soft hands as organic coffee mixed with soy milk got splattered all over my face
The big donkey kong post approval!
This is right on. And since I haven't heard it mentioned yet:"Republican congressman to Obama: Mr. President, we're still waiting for the hope and change."
"Obama replies: I'm not campaigning anymore"Nuff said.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the Prez. Anyone who'd rip down a bowling alley and put up a basketball court can run the world as far as I'm concerned.
Although, honestly, I voted for Alan Keyes.
I'm just sick and tired of people voting for a brand. Often times you'll find that people vote for the set of ideals and morality they believe their party represents. It's this self imaging thing, which has aboslutely nothing to do with what the candidate represents. And certainly nothing to do with resolving issues
SupremeCommander wrote:Markji wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:jusnice wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:nyk4ever wrote:back when john adam, thomas jefferson and george washington were still kicking do you think they would have wanted politics to turn into this?Howard Zinn basically said that two party system wasn't intended to be this, but it eventually evolved into a sophisticated system to prevent revolt. Fed up? Do the AMERICAN thing and VOTE the other party out of office!
The fact that we still only have two viable politicial parties in a country as diverse as the US confuses me. Having only two parties allows the special interest groups to have a powerful force and makes the people of this country make an either / or choice every time they vote. I'd love to see multiple, viable polictical parties and somehow force politicians to do what they say they are going to do.
It's really an interesting issue and it's confusing because there isn't a good answer. The original intent was to have parties, but that's just the natural progression of how politicians mobilize(d).
My opinion has to do with balloting and advertising. There certainly is an advantage to where you're listed on the ballot and the different parties have enough juice to effect that, where Joe Blow of the Green Party is going to get put wherever the hell there's room.
Also, I'm willing to bet if you polled the American Public, they'd tell you that the two party system exists because that's how it was drawn up, which couldn't be further from the truth.
When the two party system eventually evolved, it wasn't always Democrat v. Republican. There were Federalists, Whigs, The Democratic-Republican Party, etc.
The original founding fathers were NOT for political parties, whether 2 or many. There is no mention of Political Parties in the U.S. Constitution. When Washington was elected, there were no political parties.In his farewell address, George Washington warned against the negatives of political parties:
“The common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest of a wise people
to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public counsels and enfeeble the public administration.It agitates the community with ill founded jealousies and false alarms;
kindles the animosity of one part against another,
foments occasional riot and insurrection.It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption,
which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.”
These words of Washington have come true to the max in today's politics. IMO, most politician are more interested in their party's success, and their own success, rather than the country's success. They work against each other constantly; there is constant name-calling and mudslinging.
The answer isn't having a 2 party system or a multi-party system. Just have the politicians grow up and work in the best interest's of the country and the people.
I think getting the whole of the constituency to give a shit is the answer. Everything you said is spot on, but the only way to make it happen is to get the voters to enforce this and make the politicians accountable. Much of the political science theory advocates suppressing voter turnout, as outcomes are easier to predict and appeasing different voter blocks is easier
Your right- but how to get the voters to give a crap. We're experiencing the dumbing of America. It's all emotion and confrontation, not much intellect. But there is always hope that we'll have a change.
Markji wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Markji wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:jusnice wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:nyk4ever wrote:back when john adam, thomas jefferson and george washington were still kicking do you think they would have wanted politics to turn into this?Howard Zinn basically said that two party system wasn't intended to be this, but it eventually evolved into a sophisticated system to prevent revolt. Fed up? Do the AMERICAN thing and VOTE the other party out of office!
The fact that we still only have two viable politicial parties in a country as diverse as the US confuses me. Having only two parties allows the special interest groups to have a powerful force and makes the people of this country make an either / or choice every time they vote. I'd love to see multiple, viable polictical parties and somehow force politicians to do what they say they are going to do.
It's really an interesting issue and it's confusing because there isn't a good answer. The original intent was to have parties, but that's just the natural progression of how politicians mobilize(d).
My opinion has to do with balloting and advertising. There certainly is an advantage to where you're listed on the ballot and the different parties have enough juice to effect that, where Joe Blow of the Green Party is going to get put wherever the hell there's room.
Also, I'm willing to bet if you polled the American Public, they'd tell you that the two party system exists because that's how it was drawn up, which couldn't be further from the truth.
When the two party system eventually evolved, it wasn't always Democrat v. Republican. There were Federalists, Whigs, The Democratic-Republican Party, etc.
The original founding fathers were NOT for political parties, whether 2 or many. There is no mention of Political Parties in the U.S. Constitution. When Washington was elected, there were no political parties.In his farewell address, George Washington warned against the negatives of political parties:
“The common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest of a wise people
to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public counsels and enfeeble the public administration.It agitates the community with ill founded jealousies and false alarms;
kindles the animosity of one part against another,
foments occasional riot and insurrection.It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption,
which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.”
These words of Washington have come true to the max in today's politics. IMO, most politician are more interested in their party's success, and their own success, rather than the country's success. They work against each other constantly; there is constant name-calling and mudslinging.
The answer isn't having a 2 party system or a multi-party system. Just have the politicians grow up and work in the best interest's of the country and the people.
I think getting the whole of the constituency to give a shit is the answer. Everything you said is spot on, but the only way to make it happen is to get the voters to enforce this and make the politicians accountable. Much of the political science theory advocates suppressing voter turnout, as outcomes are easier to predict and appeasing different voter blocks is easier
Your right- but how to get the voters to give a crap. We're experiencing the dumbing of America. It's all emotion and confrontation, not much intellect. But there is always hope that we'll have a change.
If I knew the answer to that, I'd be talking about my book on The Today Show.
One of the more interesting ideas I heard came from an old philosophy professor... he said that the only legal campaigning should be done on a state run mass media mediums, like a state run TV station. Everyone got an equal allotment. I don't know if that resolves the "people giving a crap" issue, but it resolves the "some people don't give a crap because the politicians play dirty" issue
Basically saying the collective consciousness of the people determines the ruler they get. So therefore, the solution to having better, more competent rulers is to raise the collective consciousness of the people.
Markji wrote:Here's an interesting concept from ancient India - "As are the ruled, so is the ruler" ... and also it holds that "As is the ruler, so are the ruled."Basically saying the collective consciousness of the people determines the ruler they get. So therefore, the solution to having better, more competent rulers is to raise the collective consciousness of the people.
I like it. To continue quoting classics (Art of War) though:
10. Poverty of the State exchequer causes an army to be maintained by contributions from a distance. Contributing to maintain an army at a distance causes the people to be impoverished.11. On the other hand, the proximity of an army causes prices to go up; and high prices cause the people's substance to be drained away.
12. When their substance is drained away, the peasantry will be afflicted by heavy exactions.
13,14. With this loss of substance and exhaustion of strength, the homes of the people will be stripped bare, and three-tenths of their income will be dissipated; while government expenses for broken chariots, worn-out horses, breast-plates and helmets, bows and arrows, spears and shields, protective mantles, draught-oxen and heavy wagons, will amount to four-tenths of its total revenue.
hard to raise the collective consciosness of the people, when people are more concerned with the immediate, in large part due to overextension of our assets
SupremeCommander wrote:(10 - 14) That is very true and it's the state of our present economy. It's a downward spiral. We need to cut military spending.Markji wrote:Here's an interesting concept from ancient India - "As are the ruled, so is the ruler" ... and also it holds that "As is the ruler, so are the ruled."Basically saying the collective consciousness of the people determines the ruler they get. So therefore, the solution to having better, more competent rulers is to raise the collective consciousness of the people.
I like it. To continue quoting classics (Art of War) though:
10. Poverty of the State exchequer causes an army to be maintained by contributions from a distance. Contributing to maintain an army at a distance causes the people to be impoverished.11. On the other hand, the proximity of an army causes prices to go up; and high prices cause the people's substance to be drained away.
12. When their substance is drained away, the peasantry will be afflicted by heavy exactions.
13,14. With this loss of substance and exhaustion of strength, the homes of the people will be stripped bare, and three-tenths of their income will be dissipated; while government expenses for broken chariots, worn-out horses, breast-plates and helmets, bows and arrows, spears and shields, protective mantles, draught-oxen and heavy wagons, will amount to four-tenths of its total revenue.
hard to raise the collective consciosness of the people, when people are more concerned with the immediate, in large part due to overextension of our assets
To answer your 2nd part - The people can transcend the level of incompetence of the gov't by raising their own individual consciousness. The sum total of the consciousness of all of the people equals the national consciousness. To enliven one's own consciousness, a person needs to experience Pure Consciousness at the basis of one's mind. Transcendental Meditation, which is part of Yoga, enlivens a person's consciousness, and therefore, drop by drop, enlivens the collective consciousness of the nation. This is the way out of our current dilemma.
Markji wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:(10 - 14) That is very true and it's the state of our present economy. It's a downward spiral. We need to cut military spending.Markji wrote:Here's an interesting concept from ancient India - "As are the ruled, so is the ruler" ... and also it holds that "As is the ruler, so are the ruled."Basically saying the collective consciousness of the people determines the ruler they get. So therefore, the solution to having better, more competent rulers is to raise the collective consciousness of the people.
I like it. To continue quoting classics (Art of War) though:
10. Poverty of the State exchequer causes an army to be maintained by contributions from a distance. Contributing to maintain an army at a distance causes the people to be impoverished.11. On the other hand, the proximity of an army causes prices to go up; and high prices cause the people's substance to be drained away.
12. When their substance is drained away, the peasantry will be afflicted by heavy exactions.
13,14. With this loss of substance and exhaustion of strength, the homes of the people will be stripped bare, and three-tenths of their income will be dissipated; while government expenses for broken chariots, worn-out horses, breast-plates and helmets, bows and arrows, spears and shields, protective mantles, draught-oxen and heavy wagons, will amount to four-tenths of its total revenue.
hard to raise the collective consciosness of the people, when people are more concerned with the immediate, in large part due to overextension of our assets
To answer your 2nd part - The people can transcend the level of incompetence of the gov't by raising their own individual consciousness. The sum total of the consciousness of all of the people equals the national consciousness. To enliven one's own consciousness, a person needs to experience Pure Consciousness at the basis of one's mind. Transcendental Meditation, which is part of Yoga, enlivens a person's consciousness, and therefore, drop by drop, enlivens the collective consciousness of the nation. This is the way out of our current dilemma.
I agree that this is possible, as it was proven by Dr. Martine LUther King employing Hendry David Thoreau's "Civil Disobedience" and Mohandas Gandhi employing Leo Tolstoy's "The Kingdom of GOd is Within You", raising the collective consciousness, and effectively ending eras.
These events, however, had something on the present--people were willing to risk the status quo. The discomfort of resfuisng society was an marginal improvement on the status quo. Whereas it is difficult to make the sacrifices necessary to raise a person's consciousness if they are happy, indifferent, or disappointed.
Individual suffering is the primary input into raising the collective consciousness, due to the people's refusal to acquiesce to such senselessness. But, when comfortable, instead of contributing to the collective consciousness, the people seek upward social mobility. Money, cash, hoes, money, cash, hoes, WHAT!