Knicks · Landry Fields (page 1)

He is a free agent this Summer. Do we have any sort of Bird rights on him? Or are we going to have to use our MLE to retain him? I am praying he isn't as good as gone at this point.

Allanfan20 wrote:He is a free agent this Summer. Do we have any sort of Bird rights on him? Or are we going to have to use our MLE to retain him? I am praying he isn't as good as gone at this point.

i think we have the right to match offers for him under the "arenas rule."

He should be an RFA.

how come we don't see a Qualifying offer on him in our salary then?
Is it something we can add on in the year? or must be earlier?

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

since we are over the cap, do we have his bird rights, since he played only 2 years with us and we are over the cap next year?
What would be deal with him? It's something we have to look at if we can't resign him or need the MLE to use for him.
We should see what value we can get out of his by the deadline?
However, if we can resign him without using the MLE, or at the last offer him a QO, I would like to see how he develops.
I wouldn't use the MLE on him, as I would probably be more comfortable looking in other players to use it on, that's my 2cents...

NYKBocker wrote:He should be an RFA.

If he were a first round pick, yes. But since he was a second rounder he becomes unrestricted.

I think Fields is gonna secure his place on this roster and get a nice extension from the Knicks. He's still a great glue guy IMO. He's that Shane Battier type every team needs. Just does a bit of everything. I think he just hit the wall and then got lost after the trade. Can't blame him with all that went on and then having Melo and CB changing the whole flow.

VCoug wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:He should be an RFA.

If he were a first round pick, yes. But since he was a second rounder he becomes unrestricted.

not true. see "arenas rule"

eViL wrote:

VCoug wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:He should be an RFA.

If he were a first round pick, yes. But since he was a second rounder he becomes unrestricted.

not true. see "arenas rule"

I'm not seeing anything that says second rounders become RFA's. There's a few articles like this one, http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2..., that talks about amnesty. And then there's this article, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con..., which says that other teams are limited to with how much money they can offer players drafted by other teams in the second round. But nothing I can find says that they're restricted free agents.

VCoug wrote:

eViL wrote:

VCoug wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:He should be an RFA.

If he were a first round pick, yes. But since he was a second rounder he becomes unrestricted.

not true. see "arenas rule"

I'm not seeing anything that says second rounders become RFA's. There's a few articles like this one, http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2..., that talks about amnesty. And then there's this article, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con..., which says that other teams are limited to with how much money they can offer players drafted by other teams in the second round. But nothing I can find says that they're restricted free agents.

can't find a better source, but this explains it:

http://kfba.net/cs/forums/t/1664.aspx

First there was Bird, now there's Arenas... From the New York Post...

A change in the NBA's new collective-bargaining agreement will solidify a long Knick future for acrobatic swingman Trevor Ariza.
It's unofficially called the Gilbert Arenas Rule, and prevents capped-out teams such as the Knicks from losing a gifted second-rounder through free agency.

The rule came about after Golden State could not re-sign Arenas, Cleveland could not re-sign Carlos Boozer and Detroit could not re-sign Mehmet Okur.

As a rookie, Ariza was one of the bright lights of last season's dark campaign with his high-flying dunks and putbacks, and will compete today for the Knicks in the Las Vegas summer league after gaining 10 pounds of muscle the past two months.

Ariza, selected at No. 43 in 2004, will become a free agent next summer and the Knicks don't have his "Bird Rights."

"This allows a team to keep a player it had smartly drafted in the second round," union attorney Ron Klempner said.

Under the old rules, the Knicks could not match an offer from another team if it exceeded the mid-level exception. If Ariza continues to improve, a club could have conceivably made him an offer slightly above the mid-level, knowing the Knicks could not match.

In the new CBA being drafted, teams can only sign an offer sheet with players such as Ariza that starts at the mid-level exception for the first two seasons. Bottom line: The Knicks can match.

"I think I'll be part of their future," said Ariza, who turned 20 last week. "This upcoming year we're going to bring a lot of excitement because we have a lot of athletic players."

The Knicks' 2005 draft netted three first-round picks, Channing Frye, Nate Robinson and David Lee, all on display today against Portland.

eViL wrote:

VCoug wrote:

eViL wrote:

VCoug wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:He should be an RFA.

If he were a first round pick, yes. But since he was a second rounder he becomes unrestricted.

not true. see "arenas rule"

I'm not seeing anything that says second rounders become RFA's. There's a few articles like this one, http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2..., that talks about amnesty. And then there's this article, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con..., which says that other teams are limited to with how much money they can offer players drafted by other teams in the second round. But nothing I can find says that they're restricted free agents.

can't find a better source, but this explains it:

http://kfba.net/cs/forums/t/1664.aspx

First there was Bird, now there's Arenas... From the New York Post...

A change in the NBA's new collective-bargaining agreement will solidify a long Knick future for acrobatic swingman Trevor Ariza.
It's unofficially called the Gilbert Arenas Rule, and prevents capped-out teams such as the Knicks from losing a gifted second-rounder through free agency.

The rule came about after Golden State could not re-sign Arenas, Cleveland could not re-sign Carlos Boozer and Detroit could not re-sign Mehmet Okur.

As a rookie, Ariza was one of the bright lights of last season's dark campaign with his high-flying dunks and putbacks, and will compete today for the Knicks in the Las Vegas summer league after gaining 10 pounds of muscle the past two months.

Ariza, selected at No. 43 in 2004, will become a free agent next summer and the Knicks don't have his "Bird Rights."

"This allows a team to keep a player it had smartly drafted in the second round," union attorney Ron Klempner said.

Under the old rules, the Knicks could not match an offer from another team if it exceeded the mid-level exception. If Ariza continues to improve, a club could have conceivably made him an offer slightly above the mid-level, knowing the Knicks could not match.

In the new CBA being drafted, teams can only sign an offer sheet with players such as Ariza that starts at the mid-level exception for the first two seasons. Bottom line: The Knicks can match.

"I think I'll be part of their future," said Ariza, who turned 20 last week. "This upcoming year we're going to bring a lot of excitement because we have a lot of athletic players."

The Knicks' 2005 draft netted three first-round picks, Channing Frye, Nate Robinson and David Lee, all on display today against Portland.

Yeah, that's the same thing I found. That's saying other teams are restricted in how much they can offer; nothing says that Landry would be restricted or that the Knicks can match. It's just saying that no other team could offer more money than the Knicks, they'd be able to offer the same amount.

the way i read it, other teams would need to sign Landry to an "offer sheet" -- that sounds like restricted free agency language to me. the only other time you hear "offer sheet" is when the original team is allowed to match and retain a player.

eViL wrote:the way i read it, other teams would need to sign Landry to an "offer sheet" -- that sounds like restricted free agency language to me. the only other time you hear "offer sheet" is when the original team is allowed to match and retain a player.

You know what, I think you're right. I was going over Larry Coon's page and found this:

As I said above, the loophole was addressed with this rule, but not closed completely. This is because this provision is primarily intended to protect teams from losing their successful second round picks, who are Early-Bird free agents after two years. There are several situations where a team still might be unable to match an offer sheet:

If the player is a Non-Bird free agent and the team already used their Mid-Level exception to sign another player.

If the player is a Non-Bird or Early Bird free agent with three years in the league (this rule applies only to players with one or two years in the league).

If a team has two Non-Bird free agents with one or two years in the league. They can use the Mid-Level exception to keep one of them, but would lose the other.

This provision also ensures that second round picks can't cash in with a maximum salary sooner than first round picks can.

VCoug wrote:

eViL wrote:the way i read it, other teams would need to sign Landry to an "offer sheet" -- that sounds like restricted free agency language to me. the only other time you hear "offer sheet" is when the original team is allowed to match and retain a player.

You know what, I think you're right. I was going over Larry Coon's page and found this:

As I said above, the loophole was addressed with this rule, but not closed completely. This is because this provision is primarily intended to protect teams from losing their successful second round picks, who are Early-Bird free agents after two years. There are several situations where a team still might be unable to match an offer sheet:

If the player is a Non-Bird free agent and the team already used their Mid-Level exception to sign another player.

If the player is a Non-Bird or Early Bird free agent with three years in the league (this rule applies only to players with one or two years in the league).

If a team has two Non-Bird free agents with one or two years in the league. They can use the Mid-Level exception to keep one of them, but would lose the other.

This provision also ensures that second round picks can't cash in with a maximum salary sooner than first round picks can.

essentially, the Knicks might be forced to make the hard decision of keeping Landry vs. using the MLE to add firepower. i guess it depends on the market for Landry next year. though, if he resigns for one year, he'll be eligible for true Bird rights the following offseason.

We take care of those deserving.......then trade them and move on.

landry will be the same situation as deandre jordan was this off-season. RFA. knicks, i believe, can go over the cap to match.

crzymdups wrote:landry will be the same situation as deandre jordan was this off-season. RFA. knicks, i believe, can go over the cap to match.

they'd have to use their MLE

Douglas and Fields are being penciled in at starting point and shooting guard, respectively. Last season, they were paired on the court in those roles for 608 minutes. During that time, the Douglas-Fields Knicks produced an excellent 111.5 points per 100 possessions and yielded just 104.2 points to the opposition. Knicks five-man units with anyone else at either guard spot averaged just 107.8 points per 100 possessions, versus 107.4 for opponents. Thus, New York was 6.9 points better with this Douglas-Fields guard tandem than with any other, says Stats LLC.

Source:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...

eViL wrote:

crzymdups wrote:landry will be the same situation as deandre jordan was this off-season. RFA. knicks, i believe, can go over the cap to match.

they'd have to use their MLE

Is that for certain? So lets say we want to keep Fields, we can't get another free agent this coming Summer? Or do we still have our MLE?

its going to be tough, so if Laundry does well, his value goes up.
Therefore, he would be target it FA.
In which we would have to use our MLE, in a year with so many vets that may come cheap.

by trade deadline, what if that scenario comes up, and we could acquire

Anthony Parker
Ramon Sessions

our package to possible teams under the cap
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sending out the 2 Europeon 2nd picks Dallas gave us with Chandler,
Jorts or Jordan
Balkman
filler

would we have the bird rights to Parker? Since he signed 1 year deal and Cleveland has his bird rights prior to the signing?
Fields really puts us in a tough spot, it would be the toughest if there is a whole in his game but he does something else well, while scoring 12pt-14 pts on average.
And if Green sticks with the team and looks like he can play SG and they are both doing well...

I like Parker and I think he just set himself up, being traded for a future pick to another team with that 1 year 2.25m with Cleveland.
This would also depend how our PG situation holds up.

The only team's that I see would give us anything good is a team under the cap, that can afford to resign Fields at a good cost.
Like what if by the deadline, Denver offers us Chandler somehow for Fields cause Fields is looking good?
I think he will certainly be replaceable in the summer with this years free agency looking strong.

Hope we retrain Shawne Wiliams today...

with the extra room.
If we free roster spots
send someone to D league. in Balkman/Jordan/Jorts

Sign Peja for vet min
Sign Ak47 if we have any exemptions left to use?

If there is any kind of issue with Landry Field's contract next summer preventing us from using hte MLE there is a simple fix.
Extend him now and the MLE remains intact if indeed it is in jeopardy in a Fields extension.