AnubisADL wrote:martin wrote:AnubisADL wrote:martin wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Fact- We have the 2nd best SF in the East
- We have the 2nd best PF in the East at WORSE
- We have a defensive anchor at C which is hard to come by
- We have young players we can move for pieces that fit
- All our large contracts are moveable
bullcrap. These are your opinions and they are off the mark. At best.
Of course they are my opinions. It was a play on the thread title.
Lighten up Martin.
yeah. This forum is starting to get bogged down in fanboy-like posting that really don't add much in the overall picture. Time to turn that around some.
I just think expectations are really high for this team. Once we start winning things will settle down.
I personally dont care much about the regular season. I just want our team to get into the playoffs healthy. If we can do that we are contenders.
We are not even close to contenders if Davis doesn't pan out and our players dont start hitting jumpers. The sample size isn't that small anymore.
AnubisADL wrote:Fact- We have the 2nd best SF in the East
- We have the 2nd best PF in the East at WORSE
- We have a defensive anchor at C which is hard to come by
- We have young players we can move for pieces that fit
- All our large contracts are moveable
Fact: Your real name is James Dolan.
Bump. This was a really interesting read. Grunwald certainly turned this team around quickly.
Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Grunwald has done a heck of a job but Woody and Melo gets the biggest credit for turning this around..
Urgh, that was a particularly depressing time, I remember everyone was despairing back then- Nixluva even took a leave of absence from these boards.
Grunwald either is a genius or got lucky with Novak and Lin, then improved the roster even more this offseason with very little- how he got from the c**p we had following the Melo trade, to where we are now in such a short space of time, with little to no assets or cap space, is really impressive.
holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
God how I loathe D'Antoni...
He got a longer leash than Avery Johnson and sucked for longer.
Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
That's what love about these metrics, the difference between being a great player and not, is 8% in three point makes.
Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
And you, like MDA would have been wrong....Having Melo hang outside the 3 pt line as a decoy or for a kick-out pass from the PG if the PNR is well-guarded is asinine. Whenever Melo crept inside the 3pt line to his comfort spot on the elbow, he was accused of breaking the play.
Its more than just the 3, Melo is also shooting nearly 48% inside the arc. You dont use an elite scorer like Melo in the same fashion as you would use Novak. MDA was too rigid to change and that was his undoing. But the main flaw in MDA's stint here was his teams DIDN'T PLAY ANY DEFENSE. Woodson actually has a game plan on the defensive end and even when Melo is off, we can still win because of the D.
Bonn1997 wrote:
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
MDA did not communicate well.
MDA is gone. Carmelo is a different player not because of any offensive "system" or the talent around him. Yes, having Jason Kidd is a huge upgrade. The main reason. Carmelo has responded is because Mike Woodson is miles better at dealing with young men.
The play book is so irrelevant that it is almost laughable to refer to it as some reason for performance. Mike Woodson started coaching this season over the summer. His interactions with players during the Olympics, over multiple dinners, at SL and Hakeem's house delivered another message about expectations and commitment.
The expectation was calibrated for excellence on defense first. Uptown is absolutely bringing the truth on this focus.
Defense.
Just like Red taught him.
Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
And you, like MDA would have been wrong....Having Melo hang outside the 3 pt line as a decoy or for a kick-out pass from the PG if the PNR is well-guarded is asinine. Whenever Melo crept inside the 3pt line to his comfort spot on the elbow, he was accused of breaking the play.
Its more than just the 3, Melo is also shooting nearly 48% inside the arc. You dont use an elite scorer like Melo in the same fashion as you would use Novak. MDA was too rigid to change and that was his undoing. But the main flaw in MDA's stint here was his teams DIDN'T PLAY ANY DEFENSE. Woodson actually has a game plan on the defensive end and even when Melo is off, we can still win because of the D.
He obviously wasn't being used just as a 3 point decoy very often since he was able to take fifteen 2 point shots per game last year.
Bonn1997 wrote:Anji wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
That's what love about these metrics, the difference between being a great player and not, is 8% in three point makes.
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LOL, now we don't know the difference between an argument and a comment???
Anji wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Anji wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
That's what love about these metrics, the difference between being a great player and not, is 8% in three point makes.
LOL, now we don't know the difference between an argument and a comment???
Replace the word argument with comment, remark, elucidation, or whatever you want to call it and the point applies still.
Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
And you, like MDA would have been wrong....Having Melo hang outside the 3 pt line as a decoy or for a kick-out pass from the PG if the PNR is well-guarded is asinine. Whenever Melo crept inside the 3pt line to his comfort spot on the elbow, he was accused of breaking the play.
Its more than just the 3, Melo is also shooting nearly 48% inside the arc. You dont use an elite scorer like Melo in the same fashion as you would use Novak. MDA was too rigid to change and that was his undoing. But the main flaw in MDA's stint here was his teams DIDN'T PLAY ANY DEFENSE. Woodson actually has a game plan on the defensive end and even when Melo is off, we can still win because of the D.
He obviously wasn't being used just as a 3 point decoy very often since he was able to take fifteen 2 point shots per game last year.
Yeah, when he broke the play....No comment on the defensive side of the ball?
Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
And you, like MDA would have been wrong....Having Melo hang outside the 3 pt line as a decoy or for a kick-out pass from the PG if the PNR is well-guarded is asinine. Whenever Melo crept inside the 3pt line to his comfort spot on the elbow, he was accused of breaking the play.
Its more than just the 3, Melo is also shooting nearly 48% inside the arc. You dont use an elite scorer like Melo in the same fashion as you would use Novak. MDA was too rigid to change and that was his undoing. But the main flaw in MDA's stint here was his teams DIDN'T PLAY ANY DEFENSE. Woodson actually has a game plan on the defensive end and even when Melo is off, we can still win because of the D.
He obviously wasn't being used just as a 3 point decoy very often since he was able to take fifteen 2 point shots per game last year.
Yeah, when he broke the play....No comment on the defensive side of the ball?
All I've ever seen was bad statistical evidence presented when people claim that MDA's teams are bad on defense.
