Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
And you, like MDA would have been wrong....Having Melo hang outside the 3 pt line as a decoy or for a kick-out pass from the PG if the PNR is well-guarded is asinine. Whenever Melo crept inside the 3pt line to his comfort spot on the elbow, he was accused of breaking the play.
Its more than just the 3, Melo is also shooting nearly 48% inside the arc. You dont use an elite scorer like Melo in the same fashion as you would use Novak. MDA was too rigid to change and that was his undoing. But the main flaw in MDA's stint here was his teams DIDN'T PLAY ANY DEFENSE. Woodson actually has a game plan on the defensive end and even when Melo is off, we can still win because of the D.
He obviously wasn't being used just as a 3 point decoy very often since he was able to take fifteen 2 point shots per game last year.
Yeah, when he broke the play....No comment on the defensive side of the ball?
All I've ever seen was bad statistical evidence presented when people claim that MDA's teams are bad on defense.
Can you list all the players who have badly underachieved under MDA in his eleven years of coaching? Is it just Carmelo?
Bonn1997 wrote:Anji wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Anji wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
That's what love about these metrics, the difference between being a great player and not, is 8% in three point makes. 
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LOL, now we don't know the difference between an argument and a comment???
Replace the word argument with comment, remark, elucidation, or whatever you want to call it and the point applies still.
Yeah I forgot that's how this forum runs, like a spread sheet.
Anji wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Anji wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Anji wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
That's what love about these metrics, the difference between being a great player and not, is 8% in three point makes.
LOL, now we don't know the difference between an argument and a comment???
Replace the word argument with comment, remark, elucidation, or whatever you want to call it and the point applies still.
Yeah I forgot that's how this forum runs, like a spread sheet.
I think I'm gonna need someone to translate that sentence into English.
Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
And you, like MDA would have been wrong....Having Melo hang outside the 3 pt line as a decoy or for a kick-out pass from the PG if the PNR is well-guarded is asinine. Whenever Melo crept inside the 3pt line to his comfort spot on the elbow, he was accused of breaking the play.
Its more than just the 3, Melo is also shooting nearly 48% inside the arc. You dont use an elite scorer like Melo in the same fashion as you would use Novak. MDA was too rigid to change and that was his undoing. But the main flaw in MDA's stint here was his teams DIDN'T PLAY ANY DEFENSE. Woodson actually has a game plan on the defensive end and even when Melo is off, we can still win because of the D.
He obviously wasn't being used just as a 3 point decoy very often since he was able to take fifteen 2 point shots per game last year.
Yeah, when he broke the play....No comment on the defensive side of the ball?
All I've ever seen was bad statistical evidence presented when people claim that MDA's teams are bad on defense.
Dude, do you not watch the GAMES?!! Do you really need a stat sheet to point out how bad a team is playing on defense when right before your eyes you are watching missed assignment, after missed assignment, open looks for noted shooters, lack of effort, and lack of a game plan on defense?
But if you must:
2010: MDA's Knicks gave up 105 pts per on 49% shooting.
2011: MDA's Knicks gave up 105 pts per on 47% shooting.
Also, explain why MDA went 18-24 while Woodson went 18-6 with the same exact roster? Not to mention Lin and Stat missed significant time due to injuries down the stretch. Spin and Twist away....
Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
You have it all wrong. Woodson has Melo taking better shots. Posting up, working with Hakeem etc, going to the basket. And Melo is shooting 46% from the field and from 3 because of it. Dantoni wanted Melo sttrictly on the perimeter in the corner
The guy has coached eleven seasons. First tell me why I should focus on the 1 1/2 seasons you cited.
gunsnewing wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
And you, like MDA would have been wrong....Having Melo hang outside the 3 pt line as a decoy or for a kick-out pass from the PG if the PNR is well-guarded is asinine. Whenever Melo crept inside the 3pt line to his comfort spot on the elbow, he was accused of breaking the play.
Its more than just the 3, Melo is also shooting nearly 48% inside the arc. You dont use an elite scorer like Melo in the same fashion as you would use Novak. MDA was too rigid to change and that was his undoing. But the main flaw in MDA's stint here was his teams DIDN'T PLAY ANY DEFENSE. Woodson actually has a game plan on the defensive end and even when Melo is off, we can still win because of the D.
He obviously wasn't being used just as a 3 point decoy very often since he was able to take fifteen 2 point shots per game last year.
Yeah, when he broke the play....No comment on the defensive side of the ball?
All I've ever seen was bad statistical evidence presented when people claim that MDA's teams are bad on defense.
Dude, do you not watch the GAMES?!! Do you really need a stat sheet to point out how bad a team is playing on defense when right before your eyes you are watching missed assignment, after missed assignment, open looks for noted shooters, lack of effort, and lack of a game plan on defense?
But if you must:
2010: MDA's Knicks gave up 105 pts per on 49% shooting.
2011: MDA's Knicks gave up 105 pts per on 47% shooting.
Also, explain why MDA went 18-24 while Woodson went 18-6 with the same exact roster? Not to mention Lin and Stat missed significant time due to injuries down the stretch. Spin and Twist away....
This.
Please explain Bonn
Pretty simple concept.
One "coaches" and adapts to his players.
One is a glorified offensive coordinator that needs certain rosters to succeed.
Bonn1997 wrote:Anji wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Anji wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Anji wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
That's what love about these metrics, the difference between being a great player and not, is 8% in three point makes.
LOL, now we don't know the difference between an argument and a comment???
Replace the word argument with comment, remark, elucidation, or whatever you want to call it and the point applies still.
Yeah I forgot that's how this forum runs, like a spread sheet.
I think I'm gonna need someone to translate that sentence into English.
Yeah =Yes
I forgot = Past tense for forget
That's = that is
How = how
this forum = the message board
runs = works
Like = as
a Spread sheet = a grid structured work sheet
Add it all together and it's sarcasm. 
Eight equations in your post and you're accusing me of being a spread sheet guy!
Ha, that's all I ever wanted.
Bonn1997 wrote:see above question, guns
As a Knick fan, my only concern is what he did here. It was a major fail. 2 seasons isn't enough, how about 4 seasons, 121 wins and 167 losses.
09: we gave up 108 pts per on 48% shooting
10: we gave up 105 pts per on 49% shooting
11: we gave up 105 pts per on 47% shooting
Not sure about our defensive stats in '12 strictly under MDA. Stop spinning and answer the question....
Pretty simple concept.
One "coaches" and adapts to his players.
One is a glorified offensive coordinator that needs certain rosters to succeed.ChuckBuck - commenters sometimes complain about guards like Westbrook not making their teammates better.
Did DAntoni make the Knicks players better in any way other than diagramming plays?
That is a question for the team bus from the airport, late at night.
Bonn1997 wrote:The guy has coached eleven seasons. First tell me why I should focus on the 1 1/2 seasons you cited.
Focus on the five seasons without Nash. His record is 114-203.
gunsnewing wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
You have it all wrong. Woodson has Melo taking better shots. Posting up, working with Hakeem et. And Melo is shooting 46% from the field and from 3 because of it. Dantoni wanted Melo sttrictly on the perimeter in the corner
"Strictly"?
The point forward thing put the ball in his hands.
In all fairness MDA had roster problems, locker room problems and last season had to make due with Bibby, injured TD (starter!), a 50% Baron Davis, the goldlen one, and did try Melo at Pt Forward.
Im not its one vs the other. Melo and Amare barely played together.
Im not sure Melo was all in. If its on MDA, then its on him but Melo was not down.
Woodson handled it great and got an 18-6 result.
There were lots of reasons.
IM sure when MDA gets the lakers up and going he won't get credit cuz "they stacked".
They are, but it was already a disaster.
MDA's distortion of truth by some fans seems to validate the starphuchers cry for change.
IN this case his replacement has succeeded for many reasons. Some of it is him being a better fit for the roster.
The rest of it is well documented and redundant by now.
Nalod wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nalod wrote:Silverfuel wrote:holfresh wrote:Fact: Turned around as soon as the old coach left..18-6 to end the season..
Yeah, D'Antoni screwed us last year.
Good thing he left some playbook pages for Woodson to use!
We don't use SSOL but we shoot a lot!
Thats a good thing, and Im not complaining.
Defense won in PHX the other day! Some key steals!
Good coaches are able adapt to the roster and aren't too proud to beg, borrow and steal from other coaches. Thats a quality that Woodson possess and was much needed. Unable to adapt and pure stubborness was MDA's undoing....Perhaps if MDA borrows that page from Woodson (adaptability), he'll be a better coach in the near future...
Honestly, MDA did exactly what I would have done - try to get Melo to take better shots. He didn't even get one full season with Melo. Woodson had the advantage of hindsight - he saw what didn't work under MDA. If Melo keeps playing like this (hitting 45% of his 3s), MDA will continue to look awful. If Melo regresses towards his career averages though, people will see the validity to what MDA was trying to do.
You have it all wrong. Woodson has Melo taking better shots. Posting up, working with Hakeem et. And Melo is shooting 46% from the field and from 3 because of it. Dantoni wanted Melo sttrictly on the perimeter in the corner
"Strictly"?
The point forward thing put the ball in his hands.
In all fairness MDA had roster problems, locker room problems and last season had to make due with Bibby, injured TD (starter!), a 50% Baron Davis, the goldlen one, and did try Melo at Pt Forward.
Im not its one vs the other. Melo and Amare barely played together.
Im not sure Melo was all in. If its on MDA, then its on him but Melo was not down.
Woodson handled it great and got an 18-6 result.
There were lots of reasons.
IM sure when MDA gets the lakers up and going he won't get credit cuz "they stacked".
They are, but it was already a disaster.
MDA's distortion of truth by some fans seems to validate the starphuchers cry for change.
IN this case his replacement has succeeded for many reasons. Some of it is him being a better fit for the roster.
The rest of it is well documented and redundant by now.
Well put. I'm definitely not in the one vs. the other group either.
Fact: This thread is a meandering exercise in Dantoney love/low grade Melo hate. Which I don't quite get why there is a reason to still be discussing topics like these at 21-8.
Except for the fact that Bonn has a .571% postage rate in this thread.
That puts him in the top three posting ratings all-time!
What does low grade Melo hate mean? I see a lot of MDA hate but none directed towards Melo.
