Bippity10 wrote:We hire an uptempo, ball moving coach who's system needs a pg to succeed. Then we go out and get a slow moving, ball stopping roster with no pg and wonder why he can't win. Instead of emulating the Phoenix team that won 60 games we do the exact opposite and then yell at the coach for not recreating his successes and improving upon his mistakes. Once again our front office is at odds with the coach. The reason we started to win was because Walsh and dantoni were on the same page. Now we are back to the coaching and front office disconnect which leads to constant turmoil and struggles.I'm not a dantoni fan but........you cannot turnover a roster three years in a row and bring in players that don't fit the coaches system and then expect coaches and players to get it together and be one cohesive unit after the 12 games following a lockout that did not include training camp with an offense that requires a pg but does not have one. Fire dantoni tomorrow I don't care, but the new coach will be in the exact same position
This is pretty much it. When you just throw in different players for no rhyme or reason, other than they are superstars, things aren't going to turn out so well. IMO, this stems back to the Melo trade. We had no business giving the Nuggets Felton. We should have gotton out of the trade right there and then. I don't know if it was Walsh, Dolan, D'Antoni or Isiah Thomas who let this happen, but it was foolish and careless and thoughtless.
Nalod wrote:holfresh wrote:We can all argue about whether or not MDA had a proper roster to coach...One thing we can say about MDA, while here, his teams never once overachieved...We have seen teams overachieved over the years across the NBA...Never under MDA as a Knick coach...
After 13 games and before Melodrama infected the roster our young team was over achieving. The coming of age of Moz and Gallo started attacking the rim.
It was the most fun I had in years watching the team.
It was not a contender, but neither is this sorry state of the team right now either. At least I had that and perhaps the hope that more internal growth could happen and other trades could occur.
If I am MDA, I walk after this year anyway. Knicks pay well but don't follow a plan.
Think MDA can win with a starphuch owner who does not share the same ambition?
Donnie tried to build a culture but Little Jimmy can't help himself.
So long as Little Jimmy prematurely ejaculates his immature impatient ways the team won't develop a winning culture.
I could be wrong, but that team was about Felton and Amare particularly playing out of their minds...Amare was considered first half MVP and people though Felton could have been an all star...Amare at that pace was unsustainable...That was a .500 team...The current team is .500...The difference is expectations...That roster last year peaked whether or not we want to admit it...
Now everyone is panicking...Amazing...Good play from a healthy BD changes everything...We should try to get a permanent back up PG...But panic rules the day..
Let's ask ourselves an honest question: do we REALLY care what happens during the regular season?
Personally, I don't. This is the NBA. We can watch every game and over-analyze every timeout and every adjustment, but realistically all the Knicks really have to do is breathe and they're one of the best 8 teams in the Eastern Conference in the regular season. If you look at a guy like Phil Jackson, who's the best coach in NBA history, you'll see games where his team didn't play with any effort, times where it didn't seem like he called timeout or made adjustments, and you'd probably hate him if he didn't have the number of rings that he does. I'm not saying D'Antoni's as good a coach as Phil Jackson, but D'Antoni's a good coach with a talented roster for basically the first time in his NYK tenure and he should at least get the full season to prove whether or not the team can perform up to snuff with him as the coach.
Calling for D'Antoni's head this early in the season doesn't make any sense. You're not going to drastically change anything simply because they're isn't time for a new coach to come in and implement a new system.
The point I'm trying to make is this. D'Antoni needs to perform up to the expectation, which is that the Knicks win a first round playoff series and at least play a competitive series in the second round. The roster's not quite at the point where it can compete for a banner but the core pieces are in place and it's close (I think it's a year away, honestly). If the team doesn't get there, D'Antoni shouldn't get a contract extension, but it's a big-picture call. It's not a call that any team should make after 12 games.
markvmc wrote:s3231 wrote:
If everything goes wrong and we're a .500 team, that to me indicates once things go our way, we will have a pretty high ceiling as a team. So get a grip and learn how to be patient.
If everything goes right, we won't be much better than a .500 team.
LOL, you guys definitely live in some alternate reality. Nothing is going right and we are at .500, and you think we would still be here if everything went right?
y2zipper wrote:Let's ask ourselves an honest question: do we REALLY care what happens during the regular season?Personally, I don't. This is the NBA. We can watch every game and over-analyze every timeout and every adjustment, but realistically all the Knicks really have to do is breathe and they're one of the best 8 teams in the Eastern Conference in the regular season. If you look at a guy like Phil Jackson, who's the best coach in NBA history, you'll see games where his team didn't play with any effort, times where it didn't seem like he called timeout or made adjustments, and you'd probably hate him if he didn't have the number of rings that he does. I'm not saying D'Antoni's as good a coach as Phil Jackson, but D'Antoni's a good coach with a talented roster for basically the first time in his NYK tenure and he should at least get the full season to prove whether or not the team can perform up to snuff with him as the coach.
Calling for D'Antoni's head this early in the season doesn't make any sense. You're not going to drastically change anything simply because they're isn't time for a new coach to come in and implement a new system.
The point I'm trying to make is this. D'Antoni needs to perform up to the expectation, which is that the Knicks win a first round playoff series and at least play a competitive series in the second round. The roster's not quite at the point where it can compete for a banner but the core pieces are in place and it's close (I think it's a year away, honestly). If the team doesn't get there, D'Antoni shouldn't get a contract extension, but it's a big-picture call. It's not a call that any team should make after 12 games.
Thank you. This is as sober as a post can be; you must drink a lot of water.
It's a light jog, not a sprint, the season and we can't accurately judge neither coach nor player until the story has been told.
I understand the sweaty palms, but maybe we should wipe them on the pants and try to relax.
Allanfan20 wrote:Bippity10 wrote:We hire an uptempo, ball moving coach who's system needs a pg to succeed. Then we go out and get a slow moving, ball stopping roster with no pg and wonder why he can't win. Instead of emulating the Phoenix team that won 60 games we do the exact opposite and then yell at the coach for not recreating his successes and improving upon his mistakes. Once again our front office is at odds with the coach. The reason we started to win was because Walsh and dantoni were on the same page. Now we are back to the coaching and front office disconnect which leads to constant turmoil and struggles.I'm not a dantoni fan but........you cannot turnover a roster three years in a row and bring in players that don't fit the coaches system and then expect coaches and players to get it together and be one cohesive unit after the 12 games following a lockout that did not include training camp with an offense that requires a pg but does not have one. Fire dantoni tomorrow I don't care, but the new coach will be in the exact same position
This is pretty much it. When you just throw in different players for no rhyme or reason, other than they are superstars, things aren't going to turn out so well. IMO, this stems back to the Melo trade. We had no business giving the Nuggets Felton. We should have gotton out of the trade right there and then. I don't know if it was Walsh, Dolan, D'Antoni or Isiah Thomas who let this happen, but it was foolish and careless and thoughtless.
yea man the whole time I was for the Melo trade and I was fine giving up both gallo, wilson & picks because u have to in order to get a guy like melo. And the whole time we were under the impression that the ball was in Donnie's court. Then out of the blue Felton and Mozgoz names get thrown in the deal and it really killed our enthusiasm about getting Melo. Although getting back Billups gave us a little hope that we'd be okay at PG even though he clearly was not a D'Antoni PG and injury prone. Now Baron if healthy might save this team we can only hope
loweyecue wrote:markvmc wrote:s3231 wrote:
If everything goes wrong and we're a .500 team, that to me indicates once things go our way, we will have a pretty high ceiling as a team. So get a grip and learn how to be patient.
If everything goes right, we won't be much better than a .500 team.
LOL, you guys definitely live in some alternate reality. Nothing is going right and we are at .500, and you think we would still be here if everything went right?
I was partly joking, but then again: we're .500 with just about the easiest opening schedule in the NBA. If everything goes right, we might stay there as our schedule gets harder.
Bippity10 wrote:We hire an uptempo, ball moving coach who's system needs a pg to succeed. Then we go out and get a slow moving, ball stopping roster with no pg and wonder why he can't win. Instead of emulating the Phoenix team that won 60 games we do the exact opposite and then yell at the coach for not recreating his successes and improving upon his mistakes. Once again our front office is at odds with the coach. The reason we started to win was because Walsh and dantoni were on the same page. Now we are back to the coaching and front office disconnect which leads to constant turmoil and struggles.I'm not a dantoni fan but........you cannot turnover a roster three years in a row and bring in players that don't fit the coaches system and then expect coaches and players to get it together and be one cohesive unit after the 12 games following a lockout that did not include training camp with an offense that requires a pg but does not have one. Fire dantoni tomorrow I don't care, but the new coach will be in the exact same position
Sounds like time for some roadside interviews.
