no i'm not black but i'm a minority whose experienced racism and i don't pretend to be the authority on what should be considered offensive—kinda like what you're doing.
izybx wrote:SlimChin wrote:izybx wrote:SlimChin wrote:izybx wrote:Another example of how a big segment of our society is so easily offended. Noone in their right mind believes that the use of "chink in the armor" was intentionally meant to be a play on Jlin's race. We are getting to the point now where even something like this will get people fired. Very sad in my opinion.
I want to enlighten you on something: the "C" word to asian americans is just as bad the "N" word to african americans. yes "Chink in the armor" is an expression that aludes to a flaw or weakness but to have that as a headline connected to an asian athlete is just stupid.
i don't think people are that stupid though.
I understand the duel meaning of the word. I just doubt that it was intended to be a play on both meanings in this context. Someone will probably get fired over this, and I think its a sad reflection on our society. We arent too far off from England, where saying something offensive is a criminal offense. In America the "speech police" are so aggressive that even something as innocent as this garnishes national attention, and even the most tolerant of us decry it as "stupid". I had a guy get mad at me once for calling him "bro". Im just tired of this sort of self policing.
i still don't think you understand. do you think we still would be overreacting if the headline was "niggardly defense wins game for team". niggardly which by definition means stingy or miserly. you would NEVER see that headline NEVER.
Yes I understand. And if someone said niggardly in that context I wouldnt care either. Im not someone who walks around looking for reasons to get offended. Thats something in our culture that sucks, people always trying to call someone else racist. Its one of the reasons why I cant follow politics anymore. This hand wringing over what is clearly an unintentional use of a word is annoying and immature.
It sounds like you find this conversation offensive
I think the interview vid was probably a genuine, stupid mistake, but the headline seems deliberate. It doesn't really fit as an accurate description for that game or Lin's performance, if you take it on face value- when was the last time "chink in the armour" has ever been used as a headline for a basketball game?
And I'm sorry, but no editor is stupid enough not to see how that headline is racially offensive- it is not humanly possible to be THAT dumb. It's pathetic- they had probably been sitting on that headline for a while now, and no doubt thought it was hilarious- if it was, then someone should be fired.
smackeddog wrote:I think the interview vid was probably a genuine, stupid mistake, but the headline seems deliberate. It doesn't really fit as an accurate description for that game or Lin's performance, if you take it on face value- when was the last time "chink in the armour" has ever been used as a headline for a basketball game?And I'm sorry, but no editor is stupid enough not to see how that headline is racially offensive- it is not humanly possible to be THAT dumb. It's pathetic- they had probably been sitting on that headline for a while now, and no doubt thought it was hilarious- if it was, then someone should be fired.
+1
PLEASE PLEASE Stop
The author of post made it clear explaining this insensitivity.
I would have said the same thing if insensitivity was against some polish, black afro-american
jewish-american, ect...
Do not miss the big picture in this
the saying __ in the armor is known whatever saying. It aint made up!
The ESPN fools are sensationalist for their Network & 24X7 headline grabbers on story attention.
They/ESPN idiots knew exactly what they wanted to state regard Jeremy Lin and Knicks 1st lost with its new PG starter Mr Lin.
That is the big picture, ESPN needs no sympathy OR never should get it! 
This won't be the first nor the last of major sports reporting blunders by fools with JOBs
very fortunate to keep theirs.
btw ..Nalod
nice job to make it clear this was wrong
SlimChin wrote:no i'm not black but i'm a minority whose experienced racism and i don't pretend to be the authority on what should be considered offensive—kinda like what you're doing.
I guess if I just agreed with you from the beginning then I wouldnt be "pretending to be the moral authority". But then we wouldnt have anything to discuss here right? 
Im just wondering why you keep bringing my race and your race into the conversation. I just dont understand what the point of that is. Do you think that your opinion should count more than a white persons because you are Asian?
I put it in the same error as Chevrolet keeping the name Nova when selling the car in spanish speaking countries. I was not offended by the chink in the armor headline.
Its very simple
there is NO SUCH thing
as Chink in the armor
Its anyone fair right not to be offended as its
same right to BE offended. Chink in the armor was stated on purpose
ESPN rehearses everything nearly 99% they do
simple & fact
Was I the only one who noticed it was the FIRST thing Spero Dedes said as soon as the Knicks lost the game? The very first sentence?
It's coming up too often to be an accident. One thing if it's within the flow of conversation but this is NYPost style at it's worst.
I'm sure if you reviewed the history of ESPN web site and commentators, they have never before used the phrase "Chink in the Armor". It was intentional.
8missedYet wrote:I sure if you reviewed the history of ESPN web site and commentators, they have never before used the phrase "Chink in the Armor". It was intentional.
hard to tell but I wouldn't doubt it. This is why I hate ESPN: they are just there for hits and controversy (real or otherwise) and $; they have long lost their way from pure sports entertainment.
Very offensive. How can someone say something like that. You never say anything racial about someone its ridiculous
Saw that earlier this morning. My first reaction wasn't that it was racist, just "Wow, that's stupid..."
I really don't think it was intentional (at least I'd hope not), but it's amazing that no one picked up on it before it found its way online.
wow! are we in 2012? unbelievable.
Mistake my ass. Most people here are saying "It was stupid BUT......". If, upon sight, you were able to tell it was stupid and in poor taste, why would anyone think that the people at ESPN (who are paid to create appropriate titles, articles and not to mention the editors) didn't "catch" it? How is it that people who don't do it for a living can see it's stupidity immediately but those who "specialize" in it can't? Everyone knows what chink means as it pertains to a person of Asian decent. Especially a huge company like ESPN. The people involved should be ashamed of themselves. And by the way, I love how people just love to write bigotry off like it can't be hurtful to a person or group of people.
Inexcusable.TheloniusMonk wrote:Mistake my ass. Most people here are saying "It was stupid BUT......". If, upon sight, you were able to tell it was stupid and in poor taste, why would anyone think that the people at ESPN (who are paid to create appropriate titles, articles and not to mention the editors) didn't "catch" it? How is it that people who don't do it for a living can see it's stupidity immediately but those who "specialize" in it can't? Everyone knows what chink means as it pertains to a person of Asian decent. Especially a huge company like ESPN. The people involved should be ashamed of themselves. And by the way, I love how people just love to write bigotry off like it can't be hurtful to a person or group of people.
Well said TheloniusMonk. There are researchers, interns, copy editors and seasoned writers for every story at the four letter network. ESPN puts much more value in the sensational that it does getting it right.
truthfully, the more Ive spoken to friends of mine, the longer Ive been able to think this over, Im starting to agree with you guys. I doubt that this was unintentional, but rather a tongue in cheek word play that was probably noticed and approved by several people. Very unprofessional to say the least.
izybx wrote:truthfully, the more Ive spoken to friends of mine, the longer Ive been able to think this over, Im starting to agree with you guys. I doubt that this was unintentional, but rather a tongue in cheek word play that was probably noticed and approved by several people. Very unprofessional to say the least.
Yea, I'm with you on that. The more time passes the more it really sinks in, someone did this on purpose.
I know there are theoretically checks there, but the reality of the workplace is such that, after some time, these checks can become relaxed and the employee that would normally be subject to the checking can gain some freedom and trust. This guy leveraged that trust and dropped this bomb on us.
Sadly, racism is still a big issue in America 2012 if you are the wrong color. It's kind of sad that the taunts that Jackie Robinson had to endure 50 years ago, Lin has to face frequently in his career.
"Mr. Lin himself suggested that some colleges refused to recruit him because of his race: “I do think (my ethnicity) did affect the way coaches recruited me. I think if I were a different race, I would’ve been treated differently.” Mr. Lin also called basketball, “a sport for white and black people.”
"Mr. Lin has faced frequent racial scorn during his young career—from opponents, fans, the news media, and even athletes from different sports. He has been jeered with taunts of “go back to China,” “open your eyes,” and “orchestra is on the other side of campus.” He has been referred to as “wonton soup” and “sweet and sour pork.” An opponent in the Ivy League once called him a chink, and when he showed up at a Pro-Am basketball game in San Francisco, Mr. Lin was reportedly told, “Sorry sir, there’s no volleyball here tonight.”
http://amren.com/opinion/2012/02/linsanity-and-race/
" Everywhere he plays, Lin is the target of cruel taunts. ‘It's everything you can imagine,’ he says. ‘Racial slurs, racial jokes, all having to do with being Asian.’ Even at the Ivy League gyms? ‘I've heard it at most of the Ivies if not all of them,’ he says. ... According to Harvard teammate Oliver McNally, another Ivy League player called him a C word that rhymes with ink during a game last season. On Dec. 23, during Harvard's 86-70 loss to Georgetown in Washington, McNally says, one spectator yelled ‘Sweet-and-sour pork!’ from the stands."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/jeremy-lin-and-race-bigotry-in-sports-is-nothing-new/2012/02/15/gIQAehe7FR_blog.html
Jeremy Lin talks about the racism he faced while attending Harvard and how he proved the doubters wrong about his basketball ability.
Video Interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaP8UeJBwtQ
Jeremy Lin on Racism & Discrimination and learning on how to not play with anger vs the racial taunts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-qUxd5VGEE
TheloniusMonk wrote:Mistake my ass. Most people here are saying "It was stupid BUT......". If, upon sight, you were able to tell it was stupid and in poor taste, why would anyone think that the people at ESPN (who are paid to create appropriate titles, articles and not to mention the editors) didn't "catch" it? How is it that people who don't do it for a living can see it's stupidity immediately but those who "specialize" in it can't? Everyone knows what chink means as it pertains to a person of Asian decent. Especially a huge company like ESPN. The people involved should be ashamed of themselves. And by the way, I love how people just love to write bigotry off like it can't be hurtful to a person or group of people.
Great point T Monk-
Clary Terry and Freddie Hubbard on WKCR right now.
