Off Topic · Chink in the Armor..... (page 5)

Ira @ 2/20/2012 9:41 AM
So, someone should be suspended for being intentionally racist or for being utterly stupid.
Nalod @ 2/20/2012 9:52 AM
Ira wrote:So, someone should be suspended for being intentionally racist or for being utterly stupid.

"PUNISHED"!

Either by firing or suspended.

Depends on the offending person. Seems if he is white, he'll get punished.

The SNL clip from the other nite was very funny and did bring up an interesting point.

Lets say when Don Imus is utterly stupid, he has a history of offense so its a problem. If a 28 year old copy editor has a history of bad taste, then fire him. If its his first "offense" then suspend him. I believe in learning from mistakes. If it was a mistake.

Perhaps best said there is no definitive "Black and White" lines here. Lots of gray areas.

CashMoney @ 2/20/2012 11:57 AM
Chink - A narrow opening or crack, typically one that admits light. In battle knights would attempt to strike the opponnent by focusing on the chink in the armor. It was the weak part of the armor that could cause harm.

Although it's not popular opinion, I believe this to be nothing more than a case of not thinking. The editor, Anthony Federico is a fan of both Lin and the Knicks and has used the term "at least 100 times."

The term "Chink in the armor" is often used in sports. For example;

http://mlbfancave.mlb.com/fancave/index.jsp?content=article&content_id=24916672#fbid=Q7WuKDghs7G
"The Red Sox began to show tiny chinks in their armor, particularly in their pitching staff. Josh Beckett got hurt, as did Erik Bedard."

The headline took on racial overtones because that's what people made it out to be. It's sad that in this day and age a term used for hundreds of years was used and a person loses his job and possibly his career for using it.

The term was used to state that Lin has holes in his game, nothing more.

NYKBocker @ 2/20/2012 12:25 PM
CashMoney wrote:Chink - A narrow opening or crack, typically one that admits light. In battle knights would attempt to strike the opponnent by focusing on the chink in the armor. It was the weak part of the armor that could cause harm.

Although it's not popular opinion, I believe this to be nothing more than a case of not thinking. The editor, Anthony Federico is a fan of both Lin and the Knicks and has used the term "at least 100 times."

The term "Chink in the armor" is often used in sports. For example;

http://mlbfancave.mlb.com/fancave/index.jsp?content=article&content_id=24916672#fbid=Q7WuKDghs7G
"The Red Sox began to show tiny chinks in their armor, particularly in their pitching staff. Josh Beckett got hurt, as did Erik Bedard."

The headline took on racial overtones because that's what people made it out to be. It's sad that in this day and age a term used for hundreds of years was used and a person loses his job and possibly his career for using it.

The term was used to state that Lin has holes in his game, nothing more.

The funny thing is that, at least the poeple I know, asians were not offended by the headline. I thought it was not intentional. Non-Asians were more upset about the supposed racial slur.

Nalod @ 2/20/2012 12:33 PM
Maybe its best for Asian community to deal with it......

If not, then its "moral erection".

misterearl @ 2/20/2012 12:34 PM
People have the freedom to say whetever they want.

ESPN must be held to the sanctimonious standard it set for itself as, "The Worldwide Leader In Sports"

At very least it was a stupid thing to draft, have approved by an editor, produced and broadcast to the world.

Tough Noogies.

MaTT4281 @ 2/20/2012 12:57 PM
misterearl wrote:People have the freedom to say whetever they want.

ESPN must be held to the sanctimonious standard it set for itself as, "The Worldwide Leader In Sports"

At very least it was a stupid thing to draft, have approved by an editor, produced and broadcast to the world.

Tough Noogies.

That's fair, and that's the other side of the debate I think people are trying to make. It was careless. Let's not forget it was late at night when this went up. 2:30-3:00 AM. I really do believe this was just a result of people not thinking, and editors maybe skipping over it.

It was dumb, I just don't think it was malicious. But ESPN has dealt with the situation and it's over with. I'm worried more harm is going to come from analyzing the blunder than from the blunder itself.

Anji @ 2/20/2012 2:03 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Chink - A narrow opening or crack, typically one that admits light. In battle knights would attempt to strike the opponnent by focusing on the chink in the armor. It was the weak part of the armor that could cause harm.

Although it's not popular opinion, I believe this to be nothing more than a case of not thinking. The editor, Anthony Federico is a fan of both Lin and the Knicks and has used the term "at least 100 times."

The term "Chink in the armor" is often used in sports. For example;

http://mlbfancave.mlb.com/fancave/index.jsp?content=article&content_id=24916672#fbid=Q7WuKDghs7G
"The Red Sox began to show tiny chinks in their armor, particularly in their pitching staff. Josh Beckett got hurt, as did Erik Bedard."

The headline took on racial overtones because that's what people made it out to be. It's sad that in this day and age a term used for hundreds of years was used and a person loses his job and possibly his career for using it.

The term was used to state that Lin has holes in his game, nothing more.

The funny thing is that, at least the poeple I know, asians were not offended by the headline. I thought it was not intentional. Non-Asians were more upset about the supposed racial slur.

That's the state of mind people are in these days, being offended for others.

It's sad to see imo.

jrodmc @ 2/21/2012 8:51 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Chink - A narrow opening or crack, typically one that admits light. In battle knights would attempt to strike the opponnent by focusing on the chink in the armor. It was the weak part of the armor that could cause harm.

Although it's not popular opinion, I believe this to be nothing more than a case of not thinking. The editor, Anthony Federico is a fan of both Lin and the Knicks and has used the term "at least 100 times."

The term "Chink in the armor" is often used in sports. For example;

http://mlbfancave.mlb.com/fancave/index.jsp?content=article&content_id=24916672#fbid=Q7WuKDghs7G
"The Red Sox began to show tiny chinks in their armor, particularly in their pitching staff. Josh Beckett got hurt, as did Erik Bedard."

The headline took on racial overtones because that's what people made it out to be. It's sad that in this day and age a term used for hundreds of years was used and a person loses his job and possibly his career for using it.

The term was used to state that Lin has holes in his game, nothing more.

The funny thing is that, at least the poeple I know, asians were not offended by the headline. I thought it was not intentional. Non-Asians were more upset about the supposed racial slur.

I for one will be scanning the internet the world over in search of magical moral erections!

SlimChin @ 2/21/2012 9:34 AM
Really? All the Asians Americans I know, me included were PISSED OFF...

NYKBocker wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Chink - A narrow opening or crack, typically one that admits light. In battle knights would attempt to strike the opponnent by focusing on the chink in the armor. It was the weak part of the armor that could cause harm.

Although it's not popular opinion, I believe this to be nothing more than a case of not thinking. The editor, Anthony Federico is a fan of both Lin and the Knicks and has used the term "at least 100 times."

The term "Chink in the armor" is often used in sports. For example;

http://mlbfancave.mlb.com/fancave/index.jsp?content=article&content_id=24916672#fbid=Q7WuKDghs7G
"The Red Sox began to show tiny chinks in their armor, particularly in their pitching staff. Josh Beckett got hurt, as did Erik Bedard."

The headline took on racial overtones because that's what people made it out to be. It's sad that in this day and age a term used for hundreds of years was used and a person loses his job and possibly his career for using it.

The term was used to state that Lin has holes in his game, nothing more.

The funny thing is that, at least the poeple I know, asians were not offended by the headline. I thought it was not intentional. Non-Asians were more upset about the supposed racial slur.

CashMoney @ 2/21/2012 10:00 AM
SlimChin wrote:Really? All the Asians Americans I know, me included were PISSED OFF...

NYKBocker wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Chink - A narrow opening or crack, typically one that admits light. In battle knights would attempt to strike the opponnent by focusing on the chink in the armor. It was the weak part of the armor that could cause harm.

Although it's not popular opinion, I believe this to be nothing more than a case of not thinking. The editor, Anthony Federico is a fan of both Lin and the Knicks and has used the term "at least 100 times."

The term "Chink in the armor" is often used in sports. For example;

http://mlbfancave.mlb.com/fancave/index.jsp?content=article&content_id=24916672#fbid=Q7WuKDghs7G
"The Red Sox began to show tiny chinks in their armor, particularly in their pitching staff. Josh Beckett got hurt, as did Erik Bedard."

The headline took on racial overtones because that's what people made it out to be. It's sad that in this day and age a term used for hundreds of years was used and a person loses his job and possibly his career for using it.

The term was used to state that Lin has holes in his game, nothing more.

The funny thing is that, at least the poeple I know, asians were not offended by the headline. I thought it was not intentional. Non-Asians were more upset about the supposed racial slur.

So you feel that the headline was racially motivated? If so how?

NYKBocker @ 2/21/2012 10:30 AM
SlimChin wrote:Really? All the Asians Americans I know, me included were PISSED OFF...

NYKBocker wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Chink - A narrow opening or crack, typically one that admits light. In battle knights would attempt to strike the opponnent by focusing on the chink in the armor. It was the weak part of the armor that could cause harm.

Although it's not popular opinion, I believe this to be nothing more than a case of not thinking. The editor, Anthony Federico is a fan of both Lin and the Knicks and has used the term "at least 100 times."

The term "Chink in the armor" is often used in sports. For example;

http://mlbfancave.mlb.com/fancave/index.jsp?content=article&content_id=24916672#fbid=Q7WuKDghs7G
"The Red Sox began to show tiny chinks in their armor, particularly in their pitching staff. Josh Beckett got hurt, as did Erik Bedard."

The headline took on racial overtones because that's what people made it out to be. It's sad that in this day and age a term used for hundreds of years was used and a person loses his job and possibly his career for using it.

The term was used to state that Lin has holes in his game, nothing more.

The funny thing is that, at least the poeple I know, asians were not offended by the headline. I thought it was not intentional. Non-Asians were more upset about the supposed racial slur.

This is actually interesting to me. How old are you and the Asian-Amercians you know? I am probably a little or a lot older than you. This happens in the job also where my asian mentalilty and my friends kinda puts us lower in the job ladder. We think that actions or performance should be enough and we don't like to toot our own horn. We like to just let things die down or if it does not greatly affect us or hurt us then we just let it slide. The younger generation are a lot different. More of an american mentality.

SlimChin @ 2/21/2012 10:55 AM
you know what it is, i just can't believe that the they are thaaat clueless over there at ESPN.

NYKBocker wrote:
SlimChin wrote:Really? All the Asians Americans I know, me included were PISSED OFF...

NYKBocker wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Chink - A narrow opening or crack, typically one that admits light. In battle knights would attempt to strike the opponnent by focusing on the chink in the armor. It was the weak part of the armor that could cause harm.

Although it's not popular opinion, I believe this to be nothing more than a case of not thinking. The editor, Anthony Federico is a fan of both Lin and the Knicks and has used the term "at least 100 times."

The term "Chink in the armor" is often used in sports. For example;

http://mlbfancave.mlb.com/fancave/index.jsp?content=article&content_id=24916672#fbid=Q7WuKDghs7G
"The Red Sox began to show tiny chinks in their armor, particularly in their pitching staff. Josh Beckett got hurt, as did Erik Bedard."

The headline took on racial overtones because that's what people made it out to be. It's sad that in this day and age a term used for hundreds of years was used and a person loses his job and possibly his career for using it.

The term was used to state that Lin has holes in his game, nothing more.

The funny thing is that, at least the poeple I know, asians were not offended by the headline. I thought it was not intentional. Non-Asians were more upset about the supposed racial slur.

This is actually interesting to me. How old are you and the Asian-Amercians you know? I am probably a little or a lot older than you. This happens in the job also where my asian mentalilty and my friends kinda puts us lower in the job ladder. We think that actions or performance should be enough and we don't like to toot our own horn. We like to just let things die down or if it does not greatly affect us or hurt us then we just let it slide. The younger generation are a lot different. More of an american mentality.

Killa4luv @ 2/21/2012 7:54 PM
Theres no excuse. Everyone knows the phrase Chink in the armor is an actual phrase, however, sports writers more than others use plays on words. It is their bread and butter.

Winning Spree (for Latrell Spreewell)
Houston we have a problem (Allan Houston)
I-verson (Allen Iverson is selfish)

This is exactly what they do for a living; making these kinds of lines up. No one can convince me that this was not intentional. There is no way you could miss the connection.

There is no way around it in my eyes. Intentional or you're really stupid. Either way

Anji @ 2/21/2012 10:38 PM
Hippo @ 2/22/2012 11:55 AM
To all you Chink in the Armor white knights, is Niggardly a racist word?

If there was a headline that said, "Niggardly Defense" accompanied with a picture of Patrick Ewing do yo not think that would be wrong and offensive and cause controversy. I think you would have to be naive to think that using that as a headline would not get you fired. I have never seen this word used in the context of sports but it seems that sports editors are extra careful in not using it.

"Controversies about the word "niggardly"
In the United States, there have been several controversies concerning the word "niggardly," an adjective meaning "stingy" or "miserly," due to its phonetic similarity to the racial slur

David Howard incident

On January 15, 1999, David Howard, a white aide to Anthony A. Williams, the black mayor of Washington, D.C., used "niggardly" in reference to a budget. This apparently upset one of his black colleagues (identified by Howard as Marshall Brown), who interpreted it as a racial slur and lodged a complaint. As a result, on January 25 Howard tendered his resignation, and Williams accepted it.[1] However, after pressure from the gay community (of which Howard was a member) an internal review into the matter was brought about, and the mayor offered Howard the chance to return to his position as Office of the Public Advocate on February 4. Howard refused but accepted another position with the mayor instead, insisting that he did not feel victimized by the incident. On the contrary, Howard felt that he had learned from the situation. "I used to think it would be great if we could all be colorblind. That's naïve, especially for a white person, because a white person can afford to be colorblind. They don't have to think about race every day. An African American does."[1]

It has been speculated that this incident inspired Philip Roth's novel The Human Stain.[2]
[edit] Public response

The Howard incident led to a national debate in the U.S., in the context of racial sensitivity and political correctness, on whether use of niggardly should be avoided. Some observers noted however that the "national debate" was made up almost entirely of commentators defending use of the word. As James Poniewozik wrote in Salon, the controversy was "an issue that opinion-makers right, left and center could universally agree on." He wrote that "the defenders of the dictionary" were "legion, and still queued up six abreast."[3] Julian Bond, then chairman of the NAACP, deplored the offense that had been taken at Howard's use of the word. "You hate to think you have to censor your language to meet other people's lack of understanding", he said. "David Howard should not have quit. Mayor Williams should bring him back — and order dictionaries issued to all staff who need them."[4]

Bond also said, "Seems to me the mayor has been niggardly in his judgment on the issue" and as a nation we have a "hair-trigger sensibility" on race that can be tripped by both real and false grievances.[5]
[edit] University of Wisconsin incident

Shortly after the Washington incident, another controversy erupted over the use of the word at the University of Wisconsin–Madison. At a February 1999 meeting of the Faculty Senate, a junior English major and vice chairwoman of the Black Student Union told the group how a professor teaching Chaucer had used the word niggardly. She later said she was unaware of the related Washington, D.C. controversy that came to light just the week before. She said the professor continued to use the word even after she told him that she was offended. "I was in tears, shaking," she told the faculty. "It's not up to the rest of the class to decide whether my feelings are valid."[6]

The student's plea, offered as evidence in support of the school's speech code, instead struck an unintended chord helping to destroy it. "Many 'abolitionists', as they now were called, believe that [the student's] speech, widely reported, was the turning point," according to an article in Reason magazine. An editorial in the Wisconsin State Journal addressed the student who complained, saying: "Thank you [...] for clarifying precisely why the UW–Madison does not need an academic speech code. [...] Speech codes have a chilling effect on academic freedom and they reinforce defensiveness among students who ought to be more open to learning."[6]
[edit] Wilmington, North Carolina incident

In late January or early February 2002, a white fourth-grade teacher in Wilmington, North Carolina was formally reprimanded for teaching the word and told to attend sensitivity training.[7] The teacher, Stephanie Bell, said she used "niggardly" during a discussion about literary characters. Parent Akwana Walker, who is black, protested the use of the word, saying it offended her because it sounds similar to a racial slur.[7]

Bell's union, the North Carolina Association of Educators, told her not to speak about the situation, so her son, Tarl Bell, spoke to the newspaper. Tarl Bell said his mother received a letter from the school principal stating that the teacher used poor judgment and instructing her to send an apology to the parents of her students, which was done. The principal's letter also criticized the teacher for lacking sensitivity.[7] The daughter of the complaining parent was moved to another classroom.

Norm Shearin, the deputy superintendent of schools for the district, said the teacher made a bad decision by teaching the word because it was inappropriate for that grade level.[7]
[edit] Mendocino County, CA incident

Dennis Boaz, a history teacher, sued the administrators of the Mendocino County Office of Education for defamation. Mr. Boaz, who was bargaining for Ukiah schoolteachers, wrote a letter saying that the "tenor of the negotiation tactics of the district office has become increasingly negative and niggardly." The response was a memo from one defendant of the lawsuit that implied that Boaz was racist, and a letter cosigned by the other defendant and nine other individuals in the Mendocino County school system stating that Boaz's comments were "racially charged and show a complete lack of respect and integrity toward Dr. Nash, Ukiah Unified District Superintendent," who is black.
[edit] Other complaints
[edit] Economist magazine, 1995

In 1995, years before the incidents in Washington, Wilmington and Madison, The Economist magazine used the word "niggardly" in an article about the impact of computers and productivity: "During the 1980s, when service industries consumed about 85% of the $1 trillion invested in I.T. in the United States, productivity growth averaged a niggardly 0.8% a year." The Economist later pointed out with amusement that it received a letter from a reader in Boston who thought the word "niggardly" was inappropriate. "Why do we get such letters only from America?" the British magazine commented.[9]
[edit] Dallas Morning News

At some point before the Washington, D.C., incident (of early 1999), The Dallas Morning News had banned the use of the word after its use in a restaurant review had raised complaints.[3][10]
[edit] Old complaint

An article in McClure's magazine in March 1924 prints this exchange (although it may have been from a short story, making it a fictional complaint and an observation by the author of the potential for confusion):[11]

'A niggardly and disgusting habit,' I commented. ... 'Just lay off that "nigger" stuff after this,' warned Pete.

[edit] Acampo, California

On March 31, 2010, a billboard appeared along the frontage of the Hwy 99 freeway in Acampo, CA that referred to President Obama, the first black US President, as "niggardly". A smaller sign that read "Buck Ofama" (a spoonerism of "Fuck Obama") appeared under it.[12] The sign was placed among several billboards advertising a local coffee shop that was going out of business that week. The restaurant's owner stated that they were unaware of the Obama signs until contacted by a local news station. The sign was removed shortly after news reports about it appeared on local television stations.[13]
[edit] Broward County, Florida

One Broward County drug counselor has been fired and another suspended for an incident in which the word "niggardly" was used. A substance-abuse client filed a complaint saying a counselor called him "niggardly dumb" in a June meeting with two workers at a county rehab center. In an investigative report, the county's professional standards office found the workers, who are both white, engaged in "unprofessional, unethical and discriminatory" behavior.[14]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22

MarburyAnd1Crossover @ 2/22/2012 1:05 PM
There are three types of people:

1. those that 'get offended'
2. those that do not care about what anyone else says about them, because they are strong and they go hard regardless.
3. those that a strong, go hard regardless, but stand to gain from the 'get offended' game, so they pump up the people in type 1.

TheGame @ 2/22/2012 1:17 PM
I will be honest. I had to think awhile before I even realized what Asians would be upset about. The word "chink" does not mean anything to me other than "chink in the armor" or a dent. Never used it in a racial manner, never thought to use it in a racial manner. I can honestly see how someone could write that headline and not catch the mistake. Now whether it was an honest mistake for this guy, who knows? But I don't think it is beyond belief that this guy made that headline without any intent to create a pun or insult asians.
Nalod @ 2/22/2012 1:40 PM
Right or wrong, if people are offended by it, then take it out of the social norm to use it.

Technically its a word used for over 600 years.

If the social norm in this country sees it in a negative meaning, then lets no use it.

Back ground:

Origin:
1350–1400; Middle English; perhaps chine1 + -k suffix ( see -ock)


Synonyms
1. breach, rent, cut.

Example SentencesLight, portable and easy to lay, sticky bombs are tucked quickly under the bumper of a car or into a chink in a blast wall.
But nor have they found a chink in the armour of relativity that they could use to prise the whole thing open.
But there is one organism that seems to have found the chink in the prion's formidable armor: the lowly lichen.
EXPANDLight, portable and easy to lay, sticky bombs are tucked quickly under the bumper of a car or into a chink in a blast wall. But nor have they found a chink in the armour of relativity that they could use to prise the whole thing open. But there is one organism that seems to have found the chink in the prion's formidable armor: the lowly lichen. Sponheimer and colleagues present what may be the biggest chink of all. Recently, a small chink opened up in the medical establishment's armour. We're losing our herd immunity, and the few are providing a chink in the armour of the many. So investors have interpreted the move as evidence of a worrying chink in the central bank's independence. Both these rulings offer a chink of light: that the president may be a man after all, and subject to ordinary legal proceedings. Their results provided the first chink in the armour of the metabolically healthy obese concept. In fact, electrical outlets are only one chink in the armor of older homes when it comes to keeping the. Other racial slurs such as honky, kike, gook and chink will be updated in a similar fashion in the new. The outcome suggests that there may be a chink in the armour of the export-controls. Rare earth metals may be the chink in the environmentalists' argument about increased alternative energy jobs in the. Each player hopes to find the chink in the other's play, the slightest weakness against which a strategy might be built. In appealing to the justices' paternalistic concern for women, it found a chink in the court's pro-business armor. COLLAPSE

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Dictionary.com Unabridgedchink2    /tʃɪŋk/ Show Spelled[chingk] Show IPA
verb (used with object), verb (used without object)
1. to make, or cause to make, a short, sharp, ringing sound, as of coins or glasses striking together.
noun
2. a chinking sound: the chink of ice in a glass.
3. Slang . coin or ready cash.

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Origin:
1565–75; imitative Chink   /tʃɪŋk/ Show Spelled[chingk] Show IPA
noun ( sometimes lowercase ) Slang: Disparaging and Offensive .
a Chinese.

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Origin:
1900–05; earlier Chinkie apparently alteration of China, Chinese by association with chink 1 (from the stereotypical Western image of Chinese as narrow-eyed); see -ie

Origin:
1350–1400; Middle English; perhaps chine1 + -k suffix ( see -ock)


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Origin:
1565–75; imitative Chink   /tʃɪŋk/ Show Spelled[chingk] Show IPA
noun ( sometimes lowercase ) Slang: Disparaging and Offensive .
a Chinese.

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Origin:
1900–05; earlier Chinkie apparently alteration of China, Chinese by association with chink 1 (from the stereotypical Western image of Chinese as narrow-eyed); see -ie


Think "chink in the armor is bad", imagine: "Jeremy Lin is gonna make a lot of Chink next year!"

Dictionary.com Unabridgedchink2    /tʃɪŋk/ Show Spelled[chingk] Show IPA
verb (used with object), verb (used without object)
1. to make, or cause to make, a short, sharp, ringing sound, as of coins or glasses striking together.
noun
2. a chinking sound: the chink of ice in a glass.
3. Slang . coin or ready cash.[/quote] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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