Knicks · Equal Opportunity Offense; is this the way to go? (page 1)

Part of the problem is the system and so far, MDA is unwilling to bend, especially since Lin took over. Our offense is predicated on Pick-n-Roll and Drive and Kick. There is no in-between, and Melo's whose game is in-between, 15 feet and in. This system highlights pg's who can penetrate and play pick-n-roll, forwards/centers who can roll to the basket or pick-n-pop and spot up shooters who benefit off the kick. Is it really a coincidence that we usually win when we make a ton of three's and lose when we dont? Melo can hit the three, but he isn't a three point shooter.

This is an equal opportunity offense which works when you have players of somewhat equal talent. This team isn't built like that. The likes of Bill Walker and Landry Fields whould never put up the same amount of shots as Stat and Melo. But this offense calls for that on most occasions. Remember the days when teams would feed the hot hand and ride him until he cooled off? The only hot hands we feed are 3 point shooters when they are hot becuase the offense calls for drive and kicks. Its hard to get a rhythm in this offense if you aren't the pg, a spot up shooter or rolling off the pick. Melo is the odd man out in this offense most nights which forces him to get his so to speak. I see Melo getting the ball a ton in spots that aren't so sweet. I see Melo jacking up three's, he took them Denver, but not nearly as much as he is in this system. I'm not seeing the elbow jumper from him as much.

It's up to MDA to bend a little. When Dirk got hot, down the stretch of the game it was iso (theres that word again)city. They fed the hot hand. One quick fix is to run pick and roll with Melo and Lin. We've seen it a couple of times and it worked both times. Melo picked and popped the elbow jumper, but for some reason that play went back into the cooler. Does Melo have to adjust? Sure, but moreso, MDA does aswell. MDA came in with the tag of offensive genius. It's up to him to figure it out and make it work if he's the offensive guru that some thought he was. But if MDA insists on playing this pick-n-roll drive and kick offense, and will not make adjustments to make this work, then Grundwald has to make a decision.

No, MDA doesn't have to 'bend' a little. He doesn't have to bend at all.

He was hired by the Knicks based on his performance in Phoenix and the run-and-gun Raw Balls Hoops style he had there.

He took the job based on the expectation that he will run the same offense here.

Then you jerk the guy around for FOUR YEARS and in the final year of his deal you want him to "bend a little" for a player and team he never wanted.

No. More power to D'Antoni for sticking to his system, the way he wants to run, for not bending like a little bitch to satisfy a coddled MELOBURY DIVA.

In my book, D'Antoni was a success here. The 8-1 Lin Run was pure MDA Ball, and it worked beautifully; this board was HYPED! over that stretch.

The TRAGEDY in this situation is that you didn't give the guy the team he thought he would have when he signed his contract.

MDA, you deserve the right to say "FU" to Dolan, to Melo, and to all the fans that want MDA to "bend a little" to satisfy a coddled MELOBURY.

Even bigger tragedy is that we didn't get to see MDA ball for an entire season. This Knicks team could have been special. It could have been special before the Melo trade, not great but they were building, and it could have been special this year if you let Lin and Amar'e do their thing without throwing a fork in their wheels.

That's the tragedy.

Rest in Peace New York Basketball.

Also our supposedly prime scorer is shooting 39% from the field with a bad attitude while other TRUE SUPERSTARS are having MVP type season so I finding very difficult to believe that it is all MDA. Plus didn’t MDA put the ball in Melo’s hand in the beginning of the season? How did the team do? REALLY BAD

I think for the first 46 minutes it is the way to go. But definitely not during the last two, or when someone catches fire.

If Melo can get hot, we can ride that.

Melo got to get hot.

Gotta blame someone cuz on paper, the team is deep.

Blame MDA.

I don't think a guy with a discipline bends (all coach's bend, to assume total inflexibilty is crazy).

If you don't like the guy's philosphy, then fire him.

SupremeCommander wrote:I think for the first 46 minutes it is the way to go. But definitely not during the last two, or when someone catches fire.

Yea, because for the last 2 minutes 8 guys walk off the court and it is a 1 on 1 pick-up game.

It's still basketball for the whole 48.

Two trips to the conference finals and 55+ win average, two player MVP awards, and so on. MDA >> Melo.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:MDA's mustache >> Melo's mustache.

Fixed!

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I think for the first 46 minutes it is the way to go. But definitely not during the last two, or when someone catches fire.

Yea, because for the last 2 minutes 8 guys walk off the court and it is a 1 on 1 pick-up game.

It's still basketball for the whole 48.

Two trips to the conference finals and 55+ win average, two player MVP awards, and so on. MDA >> Melo.

Yea, because you don't want to feature your best players when the game is on the line

we know blobman, you don't like Melo because he's black and has tats

and one more thing, who said it had to be Melo? Amar'e has earned taking the last shot too, and Lin seems to want it in that spot too

The ball finds its way to where it needs to be at the end of a game.

MDA's Suns never had a problem closing games out.

One thing I noticed is that Melo now doesn't look like Melo in that highlight video. He had so much lift and he just looked smooth; now he is plodding around getting virtually no lift. It's almost as if him and Stat traded conditions with Amare looking better now..

I also hate the amount of 3s Melo is taking. He should look what Lebron did this year, and basically removed it from his repertoire. They work best posting up, and Melo actually has better post game than Lebron.

Look it's real simple. The biggest issue is that as a team we aren't getting perimeter shooting from enough of our shooters. The only guys that consistently hits are Novak and Lin. THAT'S THE REASON WE WERE WINNING. We all know Novak has been on fire. Lin was taking more shots and he was hitting at a 50% clip and then you had Tyson taking more shots and he was hitting at 70%. Now Tyson is hurt and can't catch the ball and Lin isn't taking anywhere near the same amount of shots. Instead Melo, Baron, JR, Shump and Fields are bricking it up. Those guys have to start hitting shots or this won't work no matter what style we play.

SupremeCommander wrote:

None in a Knicks uni.

70% he had the Lil' Bow Wow corn rows. Bring them back!

SupremeCommander wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I think for the first 46 minutes it is the way to go. But definitely not during the last two, or when someone catches fire.

Yea, because for the last 2 minutes 8 guys walk off the court and it is a 1 on 1 pick-up game.

It's still basketball for the whole 48.

Two trips to the conference finals and 55+ win average, two player MVP awards, and so on. MDA >> Melo.

Yea, because you don't want to feature your best players when the game is on the line

we know blobman, you don't like Melo because he's black and has tats

While in theory this may be true, it is almost impossible for any team to win games consistently when the best player is shooting 39% from the field, unless that player impacts the game in other ways which is clearly not Carmelo’s case.

KnicksFE wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I think for the first 46 minutes it is the way to go. But definitely not during the last two, or when someone catches fire.

Yea, because for the last 2 minutes 8 guys walk off the court and it is a 1 on 1 pick-up game.

It's still basketball for the whole 48.

Two trips to the conference finals and 55+ win average, two player MVP awards, and so on. MDA >> Melo.

Yea, because you don't want to feature your best players when the game is on the line

we know blobman, you don't like Melo because he's black and has tats

While in theory this may be true, it is almost impossible for any team to win games consistently when the best player is shooting 39% from the field, unless that player impacts the game in other ways which is clearly not Carmelo’s case.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with that. This thread is about what the philosophy should be moving forward. Practically, I'd say the solutions are either get Melo sorted out (and Amar'e for that matter) or have someone else take that role. I think the former option is better and the one more conducive to winning in June, when the pacee dramatically slows and the half court sets are more frequent. Look at how bad the defending champs made the Knicks (and especially the second team) look last night by taking away the transition game

SupremeCommander wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I think for the first 46 minutes it is the way to go. But definitely not during the last two, or when someone catches fire.

Yea, because for the last 2 minutes 8 guys walk off the court and it is a 1 on 1 pick-up game.

It's still basketball for the whole 48.

Two trips to the conference finals and 55+ win average, two player MVP awards, and so on. MDA >> Melo.

Yea, because you don't want to feature your best players when the game is on the line

we know blobman, you don't like Melo because he's black and has tats

While in theory this may be true, it is almost impossible for any team to win games consistently when the best player is shooting 39% from the field, unless that player impacts the game in other ways which is clearly not Carmelo’s case.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with that. This thread is about what the philosophy should be moving forward. Practically, I'd say the solutions are either get Melo sorted out (and Amar'e for that matter) or have someone else take that role. I think the former option is better and the one more conducive to winning in June, when the pacee dramatically slows and the half court sets are more frequent. Look at how bad the defending champs made the Knicks (and especially the second team) look last night by taking away the transition game

While I would love for Melo to lead the Knicks especially since the pace does slow down in the playoffs, the truth is that the Knicks already tried that early in the season and failed miserably (we were the most disappointed team in the NBA). I would say the philosophy should be the one that win us the most games today, whichever it is, especially considering that we are sitting on the 8th spot and could easily slip out of the playoffs. I would worry about June when we get there.

KnicksFE wrote:Also our supposedly prime scorer is shooting 39% from the field with a bad attitude while other TRUE SUPERSTARS are having MVP type season so I finding very difficult to believe that it is all MDA. Plus didn’t MDA put the ball in Melo’s hand in the beginning of the season? How did the team do? REALLY BAD

When has Melo displayed a bad attitude this? Lin speaks highly of him as does MDA. Please be specific, with examples of bad attitude

Melo got off to a good start, dropped 37 opening day, and 30 in 3 straight. Got injuried and has struggled to find a consistant rhythym. Yes, he has struggled.

What True Superstars are you speaking of on this team?

It was a bad decision to put the ball in the hands of a pure scorer and ask him to be a facilitator. You wouldn't ask Bernard King or Adrian Dantley to play point forward either.

KnicksFE wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I think for the first 46 minutes it is the way to go. But definitely not during the last two, or when someone catches fire.

Yea, because for the last 2 minutes 8 guys walk off the court and it is a 1 on 1 pick-up game.

It's still basketball for the whole 48.

Two trips to the conference finals and 55+ win average, two player MVP awards, and so on. MDA >> Melo.

Yea, because you don't want to feature your best players when the game is on the line

we know blobman, you don't like Melo because he's black and has tats

While in theory this may be true, it is almost impossible for any team to win games consistently when the best player is shooting 39% from the field, unless that player impacts the game in other ways which is clearly not Carmelo’s case.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with that. This thread is about what the philosophy should be moving forward. Practically, I'd say the solutions are either get Melo sorted out (and Amar'e for that matter) or have someone else take that role. I think the former option is better and the one more conducive to winning in June, when the pacee dramatically slows and the half court sets are more frequent. Look at how bad the defending champs made the Knicks (and especially the second team) look last night by taking away the transition game

While I would love for Melo to lead the Knicks especially since the pace does slow down in the playoffs, the truth is that the Knicks already tried that early in the season and failed miserably (we were the most disappointed team in the NBA). I would say the philosophy should be the one that win us the most games today, whichever it is, especially considering that we are sitting on the 8th spot and could easily slip out of the playoffs. I would worry about June when we get there.

it's a valid stance, I just think you should get as many reps and as much experience as possible playing the way you would pay when you have a chance to play for all the chips. I think if you've got alter you style come May or June you've got no chance at success

Uptown wrote:Part of the problem is the system and so far, MDA is unwilling to bend, especially since Lin took over. Our offense is predicated on Pick-n-Roll and Drive and Kick. There is no in-between, and Melo's whose game is in-between, 15 feet and in. This system highlights pg's who can penetrate and play pick-n-roll, forwards/centers who can roll to the basket or pick-n-pop and spot up shooters who benefit off the kick. Is it really a coincidence that we usually win when we make a ton of three's and lose when we dont? Melo can hit the three, but he isn't a three point shooter.

This is an equal opportunity offense which works when you have players of somewhat equal talent. This team isn't built like that. The likes of Bill Walker and Landry Fields whould never put up the same amount of shots as Stat and Melo. But this offense calls for that on most occasions. Remember the days when teams would feed the hot hand and ride him until he cooled off? The only hot hands we feed are 3 point shooters when they are hot becuase the offense calls for drive and kicks. Its hard to get a rhythm in this offense if you aren't the pg, a spot up shooter or rolling off the pick. Melo is the odd man out in this offense most nights which forces him to get his so to speak. I see Melo getting the ball a ton in spots that aren't so sweet. I see Melo jacking up three's, he took them Denver, but not nearly as much as he is in this system. I'm not seeing the elbow jumper from him as much.

It's up to MDA to bend a little. When Dirk got hot, down the stretch of the game it was iso (theres that word again)city. They fed the hot hand. One quick fix is to run pick and roll with Melo and Lin. We've seen it a couple of times and it worked both times. Melo picked and popped the elbow jumper, but for some reason that play went back into the cooler. Does Melo have to adjust? Sure, but moreso, MDA does aswell. MDA came in with the tag of offensive genius. It's up to him to figure it out and make it work if he's the offensive guru that some thought he was. But if MDA insists on playing this pick-n-roll drive and kick offense, and will not make adjustments to make this work, then Grundwald has to make a decision.

sure...
Knicks go 8-1 without Melo. 2-4 with him. How do you change your TEAM concept for one guy? How does that help this team chemisty?

And what is MDA asking Melo to do that has him so lost?