Knicks · Trade Carmelo 2012 (page 1)

crzymdups @ 3/13/2012 11:31 PM
I know there are a lot of threads about this, but we need to start a movement here. This is about taking back the team from a selfish Marbury-to-be. This is about saving the season.

We need to start a movement. This is the age of social media. This is the age of facebook and twitter. Let's start something.

I know some Knicks-associated people probably read this board. Well, read this, MSG employees - we want our team back. No one likes Melo. A WINNING TEAM will sell more tickets. TEAM. Lin will sell more tickets.

Take back the Knicks. Trade Melo. Post about it a lot on Facebook and Twitter. There's still time to trade him this week.

Nalod @ 3/13/2012 11:37 PM

MEloBury/Chander for Dwight/Hedo again in Media. Not a rumor but as a floated idea.

Its been around. for a while.

if it enhances Amare and makes others better around him better, then Im good.

Dolan has to send a letter of apology to Donnie as part of the Trade.

crzymdups @ 3/13/2012 11:37 PM
I'd hate to lose Tyson, but I'd think about it.
Nalod @ 3/13/2012 11:42 PM

I don't like the idea of trading Tyson, I don't like the idea of bringing a guy only to move him a few months later but This is sort of a big thing if you can pull it off. Tyson is great and a history of injuries. When healthy, the dude is top 5 center.

Big difference in drop off after you talking about dwight.

IM sure dolan will figure a way to over pay also.

Likely trade Lin for Jameer too, or Fields for JJ riddick.

Melo is goning to LOVE playing for SVG!!!!!

mrKnickShot @ 3/13/2012 11:47 PM
Nalod wrote:
I don't like the idea of trading Tyson, I don't like the idea of bringing a guy only to move him a few months later but This is sort of a big thing if you can pull it off. Tyson is great and a history of injuries. When healthy, the dude is top 5 center.

Big difference in drop off after you talking about dwight.

IM sure dolan will figure a way to over pay also.

Likely trade Lin for Jameer too, or Fields for JJ riddick.

Melo is goning to LOVE playing for SVG!!!!!

Tyson can't hit the shot which hurts but I will miss him, and DHoward, how would he fit into this system? Would be interesting and still cause MDA to need to adjust. Howard is an ISO machine - can't envision him playing speed ball and limiting his ISO's.

Melo will probably do better in SVG's system since it's more half court sets.

MaTT4281 @ 3/13/2012 11:53 PM
Right now, we're a team desperate for leadership, and Tyson is the only one providing it. I don't think Dwight replaces that.
Still, would be a tough trade to turn down...
crzymdups @ 3/14/2012 12:00 AM
Melo for Dwight. Keeps the Nets down, brings the Knicks up. What more do you want?
mrKnickShot @ 3/14/2012 12:41 AM
Howard says in Press conference after Heat win (24 points and 25 rebounds) that he does not want to be traded and he wants to finish up the season in Orlando.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/768394...

That sux!!!

CoolColJ @ 3/14/2012 12:57 AM
Trouble is brewing

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...

According to a team source, at least one member of James Dolan's inner circle wants to trade Anthony for the same reason the Knicks acquired him 13 months ago: money.
Part of that thinking is Jeremy Lin's meteoric rise from anonymous bench warmer to international phenomenon. "Linsanity" has created a financial windfall for the Knicks unlike anything they've seen before.

The second-year point guard is a one-man money making machine for the Garden, which is experiencing a significant spike in ticket sales, ratings and merchandise since Lin became a household name in early February.
There is a feeling inside the organization that it makes business, and to a lesser degree basketball sense, to severe ties with Anthony, the perennial All Star who has struggled since returning from a groin injury. The Knicks are 2-8 with Anthony back in the lineup including a six game losing streak.

The source would not reveal the name of the executive pushing to trade Anthony but the Daily News has learned that Anthony still has two formidable allies in his corner; Dolan, the Chairman of Madison Square Garden and MSG President Scott O'Neil, who both played significant roles in bringing Anthony to New York.

tkf @ 3/14/2012 1:17 AM
Nalod wrote:
I don't like the idea of trading Tyson, I don't like the idea of bringing a guy only to move him a few months later but This is sort of a big thing if you can pull it off. Tyson is great and a history of injuries. When healthy, the dude is top 5 center.

Big difference in drop off after you talking about dwight.

IM sure dolan will figure a way to over pay also.

Likely trade Lin for Jameer too, or Fields for JJ riddick.

Melo is goning to LOVE playing for SVG!!!!!

so we become the magic, the very team Dwight is trying to escape... LOL, the irony..

CoolColJ @ 3/14/2012 1:29 AM
More Carmelo trouble

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/...


After a remarkable Jeremy Lin-led run that made them the toast of the NBA, the Knicks have lost 8 of their last 10 games. There's plenty of blame to go around, but while some within the organization are questioning superstar Carmelo Anthony, most of the fingers are being pointed at head coach Mike D'Antoni, according to several sources close to the situation.

D'Antoni, hailed as an offensive genius during his successful tenure in Phoenix, has lost the Knicks' locker room, the sources say.

"The players like Mike as a person," one source said. "They think he's a good guy. But he doesn't have the respect of the team anymore."

D'Antoni is in the last year of a four-year deal and all indications are that he will not be brought back after this season; that is, if he survives the rest of this season. The Knicks are expected to make a run at Phil Jackson, who retired from the Lakers last year with 11 NBA titles.

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But the Knicks, losers of six straight games, still have 22 games left to get through this year, and according to numerous sources close to the team, the reeling club is as dysfunctional in the locker room as it is on the court.

In addition to questioning D'Antoni, players are complaining about playing time, and confused about the offensive and defensive schemes.

It is lost on no one that the Knicks' free-fall coincides precisely with the return of Anthony. While Anthony was out with a groin injury, the Knicks won 6 of 7 games, including victories over the Los Angeles Lakers and defending champion Dallas Mavericks. With Lin leading D'Antoni's offense, the Knicks played fast and free, spacing the floor, hitting the open man, and even improving defensively.

But the day Anthony returned, the Knicks lost to the struggling New Jersey Nets, starting a sorry stretch that has washed away all the feel-good emotions of Lin's emergence and left them on the verge of missing the playoffs.

Management, the coaching staff and the players know Anthony is hurting the offense and in turn, the defensive morale, according to the sources. While D'Antoni's offense calls for Anthony to plant himself on the wing at the 3-point line, he often creeps in to his favorite spot in the floor -- the area between the elbow, the arc and the post. That kills the Knicks' ability to run the high pick-and-roll and ruins the spacing that is so critical to D'Antoni's offense.

"That's at the very core of our problem," one person close to the situation said. "That messes up the fluidity of the offense. Melo could do it, but he's got to trust the offense."

When Anthony first returned -- and it still appears to be the case -- Lin would bring the ball up court and try to run D'Antoni's system. When Anthony would abandon the offense, Lin would not pass him the ball, which irritated Anthony, sources said. So when Lin tried to talk to Anthony on the court, Anthony would turn his back to the point guard and tune him out. The two never had heated exchanges, though, and the players tried to come to a compromise, agreeing to run D'Antoni's system while also mixing in post-ups for Anthony.

"But it's just a mess because D'Antoni's system is not designed for that," one source said.

Despite his often poor body language, many of the players believe Anthony is trying to adjust and sincerely wants to win. He has told people close to him that he is being asked to do things he's never done, saying that throughout his career he has always had plenty of post-up opportunities and that he is uncomfortable standing on the wing spacing the floor.

"Half the team is trying to do what coach says and the other half is doing something different," one source said. "Then it spills over to the defensive end because players are (ticked) off about somebody taking a bad shot."

With Anthony sapping the energy from the offense, the players often lose their incentive to play defense. But even when he's trying to play defense, Stoudemire struggles. Having spent almost his entire career in D'Antoni's non-defensive system, Amare Stoudemire has trouble making defensive reads and rotations. Anthony knows what to do defensively, but simply refuses to do it consistently, the sources said.

Some players believe D'Antoni had the leverage to force Anthony to adjust to his system when he first returned from injury. The Knicks were rolling, showing they could win without Anthony, and their fan base was believing in D'Antoni's system. If D'Antoni had checked Anthony, perhaps even benching him, when he strayed from the offense, the players and fans would have been behind the coach and Anthony would have had no choice but to conform. But D'Antoni, ever the one to avoid confrontation with his players, would not do it, and now it's too late. That's when he lost the locker room for good.

Now, the players believe they need a coach who will hold players, especially the stars like Anthony and Stoudemire, accountable, the sources said. They do not believe D'Antoni is willing or able to do it.

On top of that, Baron Davis, who just returned from a back injury, is unhappy with his limited role as Lin's backup. Davis, averaging just 17 minutes a game, has already spoken to D'Antoni about giving him more playing time, according to the sources. While Lin wants to run D'Antoni's system, Davis is more in line with running the offense through Anthony and Stoudemire, the sources said.

"The only way this is going to work is if we have a coach that will hold Melo accountable and teach Melo, Amare and Jeremy how to play winning basketball," a source said.

crzymdups @ 3/14/2012 1:34 AM
CoolColJ wrote:More Carmelo trouble

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/...

if that article is true, it's already too late.

mrKnickShot @ 3/14/2012 1:36 AM
CoolColJ wrote:More Carmelo trouble

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/...

I love this line:

But even when he's trying to play defense, Amare Stoudemire struggles. Having spent almost his entire career in D'Antoni's non-defensive system, Stoudemire has trouble making defensive reads and rotations.

mrKnickShot @ 3/14/2012 1:47 AM
crzymdups @ 3/14/2012 1:52 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:And more:

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/so...

all these stories coming out the day before the trade deadline are not a coincidence. this is CAA flexing their muscle - they're saying either commit to Melo by firing MDA or trade Melo.

i really hate CAA.

i hope the knicks trade melo, though it won't happen.

(a trade for dwight could be possible at the last minute though, i think...)

OasisBU @ 3/14/2012 1:52 AM
Went to the Magic vs. Heat game tonight - Howard is a beast and we have no chance at him. Ewing has done a wonderful job with Howard's talent, the dude is a force.

The only force the Knicks have had was a very brief moment out of Lin. It's really sad, we have nobody that leaves a huge impression on the game right now. Maybe Chandler can help but Melo and Amare have not delivered. It's not about filling a stat sheet, you need to impact the game and get the win.

Howard paired with a duo of Turk and Melo would be insane. I'm not sure if Melo would fit after reading the rumors but if the roster could be made, the firepower would be lethal. Especially with a few lock down defenders. Hedo still can play, and Dwight is a beast on both ends.

I would have offered Chandler and Amare plus whatever else it took but I think Dwight is ready to go to battle in the playoffs with the magic after tonight's win.

MarburyAnd1Crossover @ 3/14/2012 7:08 AM
I am signing petition here.
EwingFan99 @ 3/14/2012 7:31 AM
Sigh...this is just messed up...the heart hope Melo stays, but the head says best to trade him...game against Blazer will tell it all...
Uptown @ 3/14/2012 7:35 AM
Definitely no coincidence all these journalists are over-blowing the obvious right before the trade deadline. Sensationalism at its best.
GoNyGoNyGo @ 3/14/2012 7:38 AM
Melo is a selfish player. If true, the ESPN article proves it as does today NY POST. He has the ability to run the offense the right way, he chooses not to. He does not help Lin, he turns his back on him. This is a team CANCER. Get rid of it before it spreads too far. They do not need Melo and they do not need Davis, trade them both to Phoenix for Nash and Frye or Dudley. It really doesn't matter who comes back. It is addition by subtraction.

MDA has to be pissed. He dealt with all the BS for 2 years then gets STAT and a team that he likes and is winning! Then they give him another Marbury! If I were him, I would be dreading the day, I turned down Chicago. He is not without blame here but really, the man has been given a very difficult player to deal with.

Oh and Gallo wins another one for Denver last night....TEAM BALL in Denver.

skeng @ 3/14/2012 7:43 AM
Oh well, just for gags.

3 team wheelin' n dealin'

1st trade - Knicks, Magic and Nets. Although Nets would do anything to prevent this from happening, Melo might be enticing to them as a plan B for Deron.

Knicks incoming:
DH
Deron
Turk
Q Rich/Duhon

Nets incoming:
Melo
TD

Orl incoming:
Tyson
Stat
Fields.

or a 2nd trade

Knicks incoming:
DH
Rhondo
Turk
Jermaine O'neill

Boston incoming:
STAT
Landry
TD (maybe switch out with Shump for better balance and incentive for Boston)
whatever pick

Orlando incoming:
Tyson
Melo

Lin could be added to whichever trade with ease, since I couldn't see him outplaying Rhondo or Deron.

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