mrKnickShot wrote:babyKnicks wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:babyKnicks wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MozelGovCocktail wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:EWwwww, Woodson almost has the same win total of MDA in half the games. That's embarassing!
There are Knicks fans that are embarrased to finish 7 or 8. Had Anthony applied himself earlier, perhaps the sight would be set on 3 or 4.
Anthony only averaged 15pts per game on under 40% shooting for the first 7 games under Woodson. Yet we still were 6-1 during that stretch. Was he trying to sabotage Woodson too?
If MDA coached like Woodson then perhaps the sight would be set on the 1-3 seed.
In case you missed it and wanted to reply.
He probably wanted to make sure that he liked woody as a coach before he decided not to dog it further.
Or he was hurt.
Geeee, I never thought of that or even considered it a viable scenario.
I hate myself for being so dumb and close-minded.
All of Melo's physical injuries somehow went away as soon as Amare got injured? The more likely explanation is that he's just a better PF than SF.
Why is this thread still going. I mean the other guy is gone so he shouldnt even be brought up with our team anymore
IrishKnickFan wrote:Why is this thread still going. I mean the other guy is gone so he shouldnt even be brought up with our team anymore
Because we are waiting for the rest of you to admit it.
Yeah...you. :-)
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:babyKnicks wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:babyKnicks wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MozelGovCocktail wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:EWwwww, Woodson almost has the same win total of MDA in half the games. That's embarassing!
There are Knicks fans that are embarrased to finish 7 or 8. Had Anthony applied himself earlier, perhaps the sight would be set on 3 or 4.
Anthony only averaged 15pts per game on under 40% shooting for the first 7 games under Woodson. Yet we still were 6-1 during that stretch. Was he trying to sabotage Woodson too?
If MDA coached like Woodson then perhaps the sight would be set on the 1-3 seed.
In case you missed it and wanted to reply.
He probably wanted to make sure that he liked woody as a coach before he decided not to dog it further.
Or he was hurt.
Geeee, I never thought of that or even considered it a viable scenario.
I hate myself for being so dumb and close-minded.
All of Melo's physical injuries somehow went away as soon as Amare got injured? The more likely explanation is that he's just a better PF than SF.
I don't disagree with him playing better without all 3 on the court at the same time being that it is a cloggy situation. PF vs SF? That all depends on the matching personnel
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:babyKnicks wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:babyKnicks wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MozelGovCocktail wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:EWwwww, Woodson almost has the same win total of MDA in half the games. That's embarassing!
There are Knicks fans that are embarrased to finish 7 or 8. Had Anthony applied himself earlier, perhaps the sight would be set on 3 or 4.
Anthony only averaged 15pts per game on under 40% shooting for the first 7 games under Woodson. Yet we still were 6-1 during that stretch. Was he trying to sabotage Woodson too?
If MDA coached like Woodson then perhaps the sight would be set on the 1-3 seed.
In case you missed it and wanted to reply.
He probably wanted to make sure that he liked woody as a coach before he decided not to dog it further.
Or he was hurt.
Geeee, I never thought of that or even considered it a viable scenario.
I hate myself for being so dumb and close-minded.
All of Melo's physical injuries somehow went away as soon as Amare got injured? The more likely explanation is that he's just a better PF than SF.
I don't disagree with him playing better without all 3 on the court at the same time being that it is a cloggy situation. PF vs SF? That all depends on the matching personnel
He plays better with the floor spread out well. In theory, that could be done with Melo playing SF but we don't have the right roster for it.
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:babyKnicks wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:babyKnicks wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MozelGovCocktail wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:EWwwww, Woodson almost has the same win total of MDA in half the games. That's embarassing!
There are Knicks fans that are embarrased to finish 7 or 8. Had Anthony applied himself earlier, perhaps the sight would be set on 3 or 4.
Anthony only averaged 15pts per game on under 40% shooting for the first 7 games under Woodson. Yet we still were 6-1 during that stretch. Was he trying to sabotage Woodson too?
If MDA coached like Woodson then perhaps the sight would be set on the 1-3 seed.
In case you missed it and wanted to reply.
He probably wanted to make sure that he liked woody as a coach before he decided not to dog it further.
Or he was hurt.
Geeee, I never thought of that or even considered it a viable scenario.
I hate myself for being so dumb and close-minded.
All of Melo's physical injuries somehow went away as soon as Amare got injured? The more likely explanation is that he's just a better PF than SF.
I don't disagree with him playing better without all 3 on the court at the same time being that it is a cloggy situation. PF vs SF? That all depends on the matching personnel
He plays better with the floor spread out well. In theory, that could be done with Melo playing SF but we don't have the right roster for it.
I agree 100 percent. Thats why I think we need a stretch 4 who plays defense.
Woody!! How I wish we had you the whole season - WE COULDA BEEN THE 1 OR 2 SEED!!
Unfortunately we had a coach who did not coach his players during games or communicate with them at all. Did not care about defense and was an egomaniac. Oh, and stubborn.
Anyway, that is the past and we just have to be thankful for the future instead of harping on the past.
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:babyKnicks wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:babyKnicks wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MozelGovCocktail wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:EWwwww, Woodson almost has the same win total of MDA in half the games. That's embarassing!
There are Knicks fans that are embarrased to finish 7 or 8. Had Anthony applied himself earlier, perhaps the sight would be set on 3 or 4.
Anthony only averaged 15pts per game on under 40% shooting for the first 7 games under Woodson. Yet we still were 6-1 during that stretch. Was he trying to sabotage Woodson too?
If MDA coached like Woodson then perhaps the sight would be set on the 1-3 seed.
In case you missed it and wanted to reply.
He probably wanted to make sure that he liked woody as a coach before he decided not to dog it further.
Or he was hurt.
Geeee, I never thought of that or even considered it a viable scenario.
I hate myself for being so dumb and close-minded.
All of Melo's physical injuries somehow went away as soon as Amare got injured? The more likely explanation is that he's just a better PF than SF.
I don't disagree with him playing better without all 3 on the court at the same time being that it is a cloggy situation. PF vs SF? That all depends on the matching personnel
He plays better with the floor spread out well. In theory, that could be done with Melo playing SF but we don't have the right roster for it.
I agree 100 percent. Thats why I think we need a stretch 4 who plays defense.
Well, I said, in theory, that could happen. In reality, there are not many effective perimeter shooters at the PF spot - let alone those who also play good defense. Even the ones who do have good jump-shots tend not to go out beyond 16 or 17 feet.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this team is going nowhere with Woodson. They aren't going to win a "playoff series" with Melo taking 30 shots a night and everyone else standing around watching him.
Maybe Melo is happy with this style of play.
Maybe the fans are happy with some extra regular season wins now that Melo isn't dogging his ex coach out of a job.
But we have zero chance of getting out of the first round unless we play at a faster pace, space the court, share the ball, and get everyone involved in the offense the way D'Antoni was trying to structure the team.
Melo dominated the ball for a lot of very good Denver teams and could never get out of the first round until Billups joined him and scored very efficiently as a 2nd option, spaced the floor with great 3 point shooting, and controlled the offense so Melo didn't go hog wild every night and score 35-40 every night BUT LOSE.
We don't need Melo taking a lot of tough shots even if he's making more of them than most other NBA players could.
We need as many Chandler P&Rs leading to dunks as we can get.
We need as many Stat P&Rs leading to dunks as we can get.
We need as many fast breaks, back door cuts etc.. to Fields as we can get
We need as many open looks for Novak from beyond the arc as we can get. \
etc...
Those are the great looks that lead to an efficient offense. But to get them you have to pass, move the ball etc... You can't be dribbling in ISO and taking long contested 2s even if you are making 50% of them. That's the LAST OPTION, not the FIRST OPTION!
This team has limited CONSISTENT offense outside of Melo and Amare. Chandler has no offense. Fields has limited offense. Novak is a 3 point specialist.
Team needs pieces but in the mean time we need Melo to be superman.
ItalianStallion wrote:I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this team is going nowhere with Woodson. They aren't going to win a "playoff series" with Melo taking 30 shots a night and everyone else standing around watching him. Maybe Melo is happy with this style of play.
Maybe the fans are happy with some extra regular season wins now that Melo isn't dogging his ex coach out of a job.
But we have zero chance of getting out of the first round unless we play at a faster pace, space the court, share the ball, and get everyone involved in the offense the way D'Antoni was trying to structure the team.
Melo dominated the ball for a lot of very good Denver teams and could never get out of the first round until Billups joined him and scored very efficiently as a 2nd option, spaced the floor with great 3 point shooting, and controlled the offense so Melo didn't go hog wild every night and score 35-40 every night BUT LOSE.
We don't need Melo taking a lot of tough shots even if he's making more of them than most other NBA players could.
We need as many Chandler P&Rs leading to dunks as we can get.
We need as many Stat P&Rs leading to dunks as we can get.
We need as many fast breaks, back door cuts etc.. to Fields as we can get
We need as many open looks for Novak from beyond the arc as we can get. \
etc...
Those are the great looks that lead to an efficient offense. But to get them you have to pass, move the ball etc... You can't be dribbling in ISO and taking long contested 2s even if you are making 50% of them. That's the LAST OPTION, not the FIRST OPTION!
We went nowhere with the way dantoni was trying to structure this team.
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:babyKnicks wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:babyKnicks wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MozelGovCocktail wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:EWwwww, Woodson almost has the same win total of MDA in half the games. That's embarassing!
There are Knicks fans that are embarrased to finish 7 or 8. Had Anthony applied himself earlier, perhaps the sight would be set on 3 or 4.
Anthony only averaged 15pts per game on under 40% shooting for the first 7 games under Woodson. Yet we still were 6-1 during that stretch. Was he trying to sabotage Woodson too?
If MDA coached like Woodson then perhaps the sight would be set on the 1-3 seed.
In case you missed it and wanted to reply.
He probably wanted to make sure that he liked woody as a coach before he decided not to dog it further.
Or he was hurt.
Geeee, I never thought of that or even considered it a viable scenario.
I hate myself for being so dumb and close-minded.
All of Melo's physical injuries somehow went away as soon as Amare got injured? The more likely explanation is that he's just a better PF than SF.
I don't disagree with him playing better without all 3 on the court at the same time being that it is a cloggy situation. PF vs SF? That all depends on the matching personnel
He plays better with the floor spread out well. In theory, that could be done with Melo playing SF but we don't have the right roster for it.
I agree 100 percent. Thats why I think we need a stretch 4 who plays defense.
I agree. That is exactly what the Knicks need.
ItalianStallion wrote:I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this team is going nowhere with Woodson. They aren't going to win a "playoff series" with Melo taking 30 shots a night and everyone else standing around watching him.
The Knicks have not lost consecutive games under Mike Woodson.
No matter how one parcels out personal bias, that is an undisputed fact.
All the rest, kvetching about Carmelo/Stoudemire/ back door cuts and the like, is just nonsense.
ItalianStallion wrote:I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this team is going nowhere with Woodson. They aren't going to win a "playoff series" with Melo taking 30 shots a night and everyone else standing around watching him. Maybe Melo is happy with this style of play.
Maybe the fans are happy with some extra regular season wins now that Melo isn't dogging his ex coach out of a job.
But we have zero chance of getting out of the first round unless we play at a faster pace, space the court, share the ball, and get everyone involved in the offense the way D'Antoni was trying to structure the team.
Melo dominated the ball for a lot of very good Denver teams and could never get out of the first round until Billups joined him and scored very efficiently as a 2nd option, spaced the floor with great 3 point shooting, and controlled the offense so Melo didn't go hog wild every night and score 35-40 every night BUT LOSE.
We don't need Melo taking a lot of tough shots even if he's making more of them than most other NBA players could.
We need as many Chandler P&Rs leading to dunks as we can get.
We need as many Stat P&Rs leading to dunks as we can get.
We need as many fast breaks, back door cuts etc.. to Fields as we can get
We need as many open looks for Novak from beyond the arc as we can get. \
etc...
Those are the great looks that lead to an efficient offense. But to get them you have to pass, move the ball etc... You can't be dribbling in ISO and taking long contested 2s even if you are making 50% of them. That's the LAST OPTION, not the FIRST OPTION!
Its a thin line but Woodson is managing it well.
If we have to shoot 60% from the 3 to win its not a good outlook to win a series.
Progress is being made most every game.
Fields had a great game yesterday.
We fans use to analyze the team considering their latest performance, when each game has its own story. Last game Melo did shot 30+ shots (scored 39 so it wasn't bad). Yet Amar'e provided nice offense as the second option with Chandler out. While Tyson isn't an offensive player, he does provide a scoring option down low that is very effective from time to time.
J.R. shouldn't be forgotten as a third option, especially in the playoffs where he has some history of coming up huge with Melo. He can score many ways, penetrates, can catch fire from 3 and plays good D.
Novak is a 3-pt specialist that has shown some cappability scoring off the dribble. He won't carry us unless we get him open for 3, but Woody has done a better job getting him those shots.
I think this team, with Amar'e back, is far from a Melo Iso-dominated team. While we needed Melo to be superman a few games ago, its incorrect to call it that way because Melo provided lots of playmaking that got the best of the available players. Now with Amar'e back, we have more options to play with. If we can stay healthy, we will be fine.
Hopefully we advance and we get Lin back.
ShellTopAdidas wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:MozelGovCocktail wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:EWwwww, Woodson almost has the same win total of MDA in half the games. That's embarassing!
There are Knicks fans that are embarrased to finish 7 or 8. Had Anthony applied himself earlier, perhaps the sight would be set on 3 or 4.
Without Anthony, the Knicks don't make the playoffs...
Yes they would've. Maybe not a championship, but they would've made the playoffs.
LOL, you're joking right? D'Antoni was on the next cab to loserville, the guy lost the team already at 18-24.
ChuckBuck wrote:ShellTopAdidas wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:MozelGovCocktail wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:EWwwww, Woodson almost has the same win total of MDA in half the games. That's embarassing!
There are Knicks fans that are embarrased to finish 7 or 8. Had Anthony applied himself earlier, perhaps the sight would be set on 3 or 4.
Without Anthony, the Knicks don't make the playoffs...
Yes they would've. Maybe not a championship, but they would've made the playoffs.
LOL, you're joking right? D'Antoni was on the next cab to loserville, the guy lost the team already at 18-24.
Without Anthony but with Lin, I believe they would have made the playoffs. With neither, no way.
Bonn1997 wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:ShellTopAdidas wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:MozelGovCocktail wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:EWwwww, Woodson almost has the same win total of MDA in half the games. That's embarassing!
There are Knicks fans that are embarrased to finish 7 or 8. Had Anthony applied himself earlier, perhaps the sight would be set on 3 or 4.
Without Anthony, the Knicks don't make the playoffs...
Yes they would've. Maybe not a championship, but they would've made the playoffs.
LOL, you're joking right? D'Antoni was on the next cab to loserville, the guy lost the team already at 18-24.
Without Anthony but with Lin, I believe they would have made the playoffs. With neither, no way.
No, we're talking about the 18-24 Knicks with all major players healthy, not Linsanity. They wouldn't have made the playoffs, morale was down, D'Antoni lost the confidence of the team, and his days were numbered already.
Bottom Line
Unlike the "dude who will go unnamed", Woodson is allowing his guys to rest on request. Chandler sitting yesterday was an unmistakable sign he is tuned in to what his players want - and need. Managing professionals is much more than having a so-called (cough) "system". It is more about being able to recognize and manage the people under his command.
Hindsight is easy. Being able to prepare for the unknown is difficult.
Who cares whether D'Antoni would have made the playoffs with or without Statsanity, Melomania or post-Linsanity? That sh#t is more irrelevant than debating the virtues of whether Bill Walker can cover Udonis Haslem.
One thing is a stone cold lock - Mike Woodson will have us ready to play the Heat.
Woodson didn't have to try very hard, that much I know
