Bonn1997 wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:How much do you think this affects his contract this summer?
Big time...major flags already.
Huh? It's a very minor thing. What other major flags have their been? Rubio's injury now that is a major flag, but still can be overcome.
The worst thing about this is most likely the timing of it.
From Wikipedia:
After a successful surgery for treating the destroyed part of the meniscus patients must follow a rehabilitation program to have the best result. The rehabilitation following a meniscus surgery depends on whether the entire meniscus was removed or repaired. Although not clinically proven some people report better recovery after a period of oral intake of glucosamine-sulphate supplement.[dubious – discuss]
If the destroyed part of the meniscus was removed, patients can usually start walking using a crutch a day or two after surgery. Although each case is different, patients return to their normal activities on average after a few weeks (2 or 3). Still, completely normal walk will resume gradually and it's not unusual to take 2–3 months for the recovery to reach a level where a patient will walk totally smoothly. Many meniscectomy patients don't ever feel a 100% functional recovery, but even years after the procedure they sometimes feel tugging or tension in a part of their knee. There is little medical follow-up after meniscectomy and official medical documentation tends to ignore the imperfections and side-effects of this procedure.
If the meniscus was repaired the rehabilitation program that follows is a lot more intensive. After the surgery a hinged knee brace is sometimes placed on the patient. This brace allows controlled movement of the knee. The patient is encouraged to walk using crutches from the first day, and most of the times can put partial weight on the knee.
The time course varies with each patient. Starting from the second month the patient maybe able to walk freely and can also do various "low-impact" exercises (static bicycle, swimming, etc.), but should expect the knee to feel stiff and sore. If the rehabilitation was done properly the patient can gradually return back to "high-impact" activities (like running). However, "heavier activities", like running, skiing, basketball etc., generally any activities where knees bear sudden changes of the direction of movement can lead to repeated injuries. When planning sport activities it makes sense to consult a physical therapist and check how much impact the sport will have on the knee.
The part where it said it can take 2 to 3 months just to start walking smoothly stood out to me too. I don't think there's such a thing as a knee surgery that is "a very minor thing"
And this is just for the average person, not accounting for a pro athlete that has to continuously put strain on that knee.
A friend I play football with was at practice last week. He told me he had the SAME EXACT operation. I said when was it done. He said 3 weeks ago! I was like "Wow, and you are back already?" He said he was walking the next day and then his knee swelled with fluid, they drained it and then he said it was like nothing happened. No, he isn't a professional and I was talking flag football
but the point is that for him it was like nothing really happened, though he did say
he had to be careful with cutting. (edit - I should add he had a piece of meniscus that was blocking his motion. He had to have the surgery, his knee didn't have full range of motion.)
I think that last part is why it's a 6 week thing and not 3 week. I think Lin could easily go sooner, but there may be too much of a risk there.
It's a two way street for pro athletes though. Yeah, they put more strain on their joints and such, but because of their training, protein intake, professional trainers available, computer assisted rehab, etc. - they are in better shape than most of us, so they heal quicker. Can't just take the negative, it goes both ways. But, we do need to be VERY CAREFUL with Lin, if he rushes back it can be bad.
Again, I stick with this being a minor surgery. As long as there are no complications, this is a very minor thing. Hopefully the damage is very minimal so the small loss of meniscus doesn't hurt him long-term - that can be the catch.
Wow, this medical staff.
How do you go from "his knee is sore" to "torn meniscus"?
ChuckBuck wrote:
From Wikipedia:
After a successful surgery for treating the destroyed part of the meniscus patients must follow a rehabilitation program to have the best result. The rehabilitation following a meniscus surgery depends on whether the entire meniscus was removed or repaired. Although not clinically proven some people report better recovery after a period of oral intake of glucosamine-sulphate supplement.[dubious – discuss]
If the destroyed part of the meniscus was removed, patients can usually start walking using a crutch a day or two after surgery. Although each case is different, patients return to their normal activities on average after a few weeks (2 or 3). Still, completely normal walk will resume gradually and it's not unusual to take 2–3 months for the recovery to reach a level where a patient will walk totally smoothly. Many meniscectomy patients don't ever feel a 100% functional recovery, but even years after the procedure they sometimes feel tugging or tension in a part of their knee. There is little medical follow-up after meniscectomy and official medical documentation tends to ignore the imperfections and side-effects of this procedure.
If the meniscus was repaired the rehabilitation program that follows is a lot more intensive. After the surgery a hinged knee brace is sometimes placed on the patient. This brace allows controlled movement of the knee. The patient is encouraged to walk using crutches from the first day, and most of the times can put partial weight on the knee.
The time course varies with each patient. Starting from the second month the patient maybe able to walk freely and can also do various "low-impact" exercises (static bicycle, swimming, etc.), but should expect the knee to feel stiff and sore. If the rehabilitation was done properly the patient can gradually return back to "high-impact" activities (like running). However, "heavier activities", like running, skiing, basketball etc., generally any activities where knees bear sudden changes of the direction of movement can lead to repeated injuries. When planning sport activities it makes sense to consult a physical therapist and check how much impact the sport will have on the knee.
Thanks for posting this, but I think it's wrong- I remember CP3 had this operation- he had a small tear, and they ended up cutting out the affected part rather than repairing it. He was back in 6 weeks- if you look at his gamelog for the 2009-10 season, he was out end of January, and returned March 22nd. He didn't play well though (but played up to 43 mins in one game!), and to be honest I don't think he's been the same player since (he's still great though).
Now this is what worries me- if they had opted to repair the meniscus, the recovery time is much longer, but hey- you have all your meniscus!. Since Lin's time frame is 6 weeks, it indicates that they have decided to remove the part that is torn (not the whole meniscus! that's where people got it wrong and were panicking after CP3's operation), which has a quicker recovery time, but can create instability in the knee, and can have more longer term issues.
Interestingly, Alan Hahn said he had this injury, and was back on the court after a month.
K22 - They just wanted to keep it a secret for a week, they said as much.
smackeddog - I don't think you always have the option of repair. Sometimes you have to cut out the bad section - that is actually what I hear mostly. The big deal will be in how large it is (I think). Let's hope it's small.
smackeddog wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:
From Wikipedia:
After a successful surgery for treating the destroyed part of the meniscus patients must follow a rehabilitation program to have the best result. The rehabilitation following a meniscus surgery depends on whether the entire meniscus was removed or repaired. Although not clinically proven some people report better recovery after a period of oral intake of glucosamine-sulphate supplement.[dubious – discuss]
If the destroyed part of the meniscus was removed, patients can usually start walking using a crutch a day or two after surgery. Although each case is different, patients return to their normal activities on average after a few weeks (2 or 3). Still, completely normal walk will resume gradually and it's not unusual to take 2–3 months for the recovery to reach a level where a patient will walk totally smoothly. Many meniscectomy patients don't ever feel a 100% functional recovery, but even years after the procedure they sometimes feel tugging or tension in a part of their knee. There is little medical follow-up after meniscectomy and official medical documentation tends to ignore the imperfections and side-effects of this procedure.
If the meniscus was repaired the rehabilitation program that follows is a lot more intensive. After the surgery a hinged knee brace is sometimes placed on the patient. This brace allows controlled movement of the knee. The patient is encouraged to walk using crutches from the first day, and most of the times can put partial weight on the knee.
The time course varies with each patient. Starting from the second month the patient maybe able to walk freely and can also do various "low-impact" exercises (static bicycle, swimming, etc.), but should expect the knee to feel stiff and sore. If the rehabilitation was done properly the patient can gradually return back to "high-impact" activities (like running). However, "heavier activities", like running, skiing, basketball etc., generally any activities where knees bear sudden changes of the direction of movement can lead to repeated injuries. When planning sport activities it makes sense to consult a physical therapist and check how much impact the sport will have on the knee.
Thanks for posting this, but I think it's wrong- I remember CP3 had this operation- he had a small tear, and they ended up cutting out the affected part rather than repairing it. He was back in 6 weeks- if you look at his gamelog for the 2009-10 season, he was out end of January, and returned March 22nd. He didn't play well though (but played up to 43 mins in one game!), and to be honest I don't think he's been the same player since (he's still great though).
Now this is what worries me- if they had opted to repair the meniscus, the recovery time is much longer, but hey- you have all your meniscus!. Since Lin's time frame is 6 weeks, it indicates that they have decided to remove the part that is torn (not the whole meniscus! that's where people got it wrong and were panicking after CP3's operation), which has a quicker recovery time, but can create instability in the knee, and can have more longer term issues.
Interestingly, Alan Hahn said he had this injury, and was back on the court after a month.
Thats the million dollar question and judging from the knicks past they will opt for the short term answer which is scary for a player only in his 2nd year
K22 wrote:Wow, this medical staff.How do you go from "his knee is sore" to "torn meniscus"?
I'm sure there was soreness. They just didn't want to release the full details. If you watch the videos on the Knicks' ESPN page, you'll see that the team was concerned from the beginning about the MRI results but wanted to wait a week to see how much it healed before deciding how much information to release to the public.
earthmansurfer wrote:K22 - They just wanted to keep it a secret for a week, they said as much.
Exactly; Woodson basically revealed the secret (and thus made it clear that no one on the team was caught by surprise) when he used the phrase "IF Jeremy Lin returns"
^^^ We have tooth paste in our knees????
I hate seeing pics like that. I don't know how me body works and I don't care to know!!!!!!!!
Yes, we have toothpaste in our bodies and the more you swallowed (mostly as a child) the more you have now!
And get this, then you die and sort of look like the below and the cycle continues endlessly (say the Buddhists). Don't worry, you continue, there is no such thing as death. So face your fears
