Carmelo is the PF going forward--its a no brainer. We do need better play from Shumpert and Fields but no matter what---Amare needs to come off the bench from here on. His mismatch at the 4 is the reason he has so much space and is now shooting well over 50% since Amare went out. We couyld use 13-15 50% and rebounding from Amare off the bench.
I can't wait until amare starts Friday and these multiple "dead horse" posts evolve into the multiple dead horse "I told so amare should not start" threads.
Briggs...I think we get it...you don't want amare to start anymore.
Apologies for being so blunt.
BRIGGS wrote:Carmelo is the PF going forward--its a no brainer. We do need better play from Shumpert and Fields but no matter what---Amare needs to come off the bench from here on. His mismatch at the 4 is the reason he has so much space and is now shooting well over 50% since Amare went out. We couyld use 13-15 50% and rebounding from Amare off the bench.
I think an even better reason to bring Amare off the bench is if he's playing against the other teams backups instead of their starters then he won't have to work as hard and wouldn't have to put as much strain on his back.
Since Carmelo Anthony has gone off since March 26, averaging exactly 30 points per game entering Tuesday, there are those who are concerned that by adding Amare Stoudemire to the starting lineup will disrupt what Melo's been doing.
But Mike Woodson has made it clear that STAT will not come off the bench, and that his immediate role will not cause any disruptions
"We just want him to get healthy," the coach said. "I don't think there will be adjustments. I am pretty sure he will fit right in. Our biggest thing is for him to get healthy. We will need him down the stretch."
I, for one, believe Woodson is making the right decision. While the stats indicate Anthony and Stoudemire score more when the other is sitting, together they'll benefit the entire offense by putting more pressure on the defense to start games. There's not enough of that consistently right now. Eventually, more double teams (on Anthony and Stoudemire) will lead to better spacing, which will lead to more open shots. Jumping out on leads is always important, and the Knicks will have a better shot at doing that with both them on the court right away.
Stoudemire will not get in the way of what Anthony has been doing. He's a guy who will sacrifice touches for the greater good of the team. In fact, if Anthony passes like he did tonight (10 assists), then Stoudemire will love playing with him. He'll find an ocean of room to shoot his patented midrange jumpshot. Of course, both will have to sacrifice a little for their playing relationship to work, but they've already done that -- and it worked.
From the time Mike Woodson first took over the team on March 14, to the last game Stoudemire played on March 24 before going down with a bulging disk, the Knicks went 6-1. And that was with Anthony and Stoudemire in the starting lineup together, which resulted in standout team production usually surpassing 100 points.
The biggest challenge then offensively was that Anthony wasn't as healthy as Stoudemire. Melo was still dealing with a right wrist injury. Now that he's 100 percent and Stoudemire should be fine when he returns this Friday or Sunday, that will make their combined offense and defense even better, and, as a result, benefit the entire team.
It's time to stop making up scenarios that the coach won't follow to justify saying "I told you so"
Start the best 5...period.
These arguements are so stupid. You could argue that Melo should come off the bench, because Amare was scoring over 30 points for 10 straight games last year before Melo came. Melo ruined his game. You could argue that Melo and Stat should be benched, when Lin comes back, because Lin gets more people involved and Lin can average 25 points plus, if he is allowed to shoot more. Fact is that TEAMS need to play as a TEAM. These guys need to find a way to make it work TOGETHER. It is much easier for either Lin, Stat, or Melo to play "their" games when the others are out, because they are the main options. There is no thinking or deferring...there is just playing. Too bad in order to really compete against the top teams you need all the guys to come together and just play. Easier said than done.
No way I'm bringing Amare off the bench while allowing Landry Fields to continue to stink it up in the starting Lineup, Amare starts and Landry to the bench end of story.
babyKnicks wrote:HugeKnick4 wrote:These arguements are so stupid. You could argue that Melo should come off the bench, because he was scoring over 30 points for 10 straight games last year before Melo came. Melo ruined his game. You could argue that Melo and Stat should be benched, when Lin comes back, because Lin gets more people involved and Lin can average 25 points plus, if he is allowed to shoot more. Fact is that TEAMS need to play as a TEAM. These guys need to find a way to make it work TOGETHER. It is much easier for either Lin, Stat, or Melo to play "their" games when the others are out, because they are the main options. There is no thinking or deferring...there is just playing. Too bad in order to really compete against the top teams you need all the guys to come together and just play. Easier said than done.
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babyKnicks wrote:It's time to stop making up scenarios that the coach won't follow to justify saying "I told you so"Start the best 5...period.
babyKnicks wrote:I can't wait until amare starts Friday and these multiple "dead horse" posts evolve into the multiple dead horse "I told so amare should not start" threads. Briggs...I think we get it...you don't want amare to start anymore.
Apologies for being so blunt.
what's weird is you haven't at all added anything to the argument that Amare should start. Just the fluff above. And you are trying to call out BRIGGS for supposed hind-sight threads?
Gonna add anything relevant?
Mray20 wrote:No way I'm bringing Amare off the bench while allowing Landry Fields to continue to stink it up in the starting Lineup, Amare starts and Landry to the bench end of story.
Exactly. Cant wait to get Fields outta there for Amare
i think the big issue, which a lot of people here have talked about since last season (myself included), is that amar'e and melo just don't fit on the floor together. especially once you put tyson in there, too.
you put melo at the 4 and tyson in the middle and surround those two with shooters and a PG?? watch out.
amar'e should come off the bench, but he won't.
he's a leader on this team and woodson cannot possibly bench him.
that said, i do think amar'e being healthy and productive is the only way the knicks have a chance in hell against the heat. for some reason, i think the knicks are a better matchup w/ amar'e. against other teams, i don't see it. but the heat? it makes sense.
gunsnewing wrote:Mray20 wrote:No way I'm bringing Amare off the bench while allowing Landry Fields to continue to stink it up in the starting Lineup, Amare starts and Landry to the bench end of story.
Exactly. Cant wait to get Fields outta there for Amare
We don't need Amare to do that, at this point I think we should be starting Novak in place of Fields for the foreseeable future.
VCoug wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Mray20 wrote:No way I'm bringing Amare off the bench while allowing Landry Fields to continue to stink it up in the starting Lineup, Amare starts and Landry to the bench end of story.
Exactly. Cant wait to get Fields outta there for Amare
We don't need Amare to do that, at this point I think we should be starting Novak in place of Fields for the foreseeable future.
If that was the case I would have no problem bringing Amare off the bench but im sick of seeing Fields shrink when we play the better teams. In the playoffs we get the best of the best
Fields reminds me of Richard Jefferson.
Not consistant.
Fields starts but does not finich.
problem is by starting Fields you fall behind early against GOOD teams like Miami. Because they are playing 5 on 4
gunsnewing wrote:problem is by starting Fields you fall behind early against GOOD teams like Miami. Because they are playing 5 on 4
yeah, take out fields and bring in amar'e...
but... do you bring in fields off the bench? have him bite into JR or Novak's minutes??? not sure i like that either.
fields doesn't matchup well against NBA 2s or 3s... starting to see why his college team played him at the 4.
gunsnewing wrote:Mray20 wrote:No way I'm bringing Amare off the bench while allowing Landry Fields to continue to stink it up in the starting Lineup, Amare starts and Landry to the bench end of story.
Exactly. Cant wait to get Fields outta there for Amare
Here's what you risk by inserting Amare into lineup:
Ruining the Knicks' team momentum and cohesion.
Throws Melo's off game.
Defense for first unit takes a big step backwards.
By bringing Amare off bench:
Offensive focus
Bench scoring
Big man depth when Melo, Chandler rest.
To win a title you need Amare and Carmelo playing well together. Can't hide from that by putting Amare on the becnh. You have to put them in the starting line-up together and see if they can make it work. If not, then you have to split up the pairing in the offseason. If these two can't learn to excel together then we are just another team that can compete with anyone, but won't win the title
It doesn't matter if Amare starts or comes off the bench. Sub patterns dictate that they won't rest together, but they're going to have to play together because any sensible rotation will have them finishing games together.
