Knicks · Did Woodson make any adjustments in Game 1? (page 1)

I didn't see it. The offense was ran through Melo, or tried to, except that Miami was fronting him the whole game. I don't get how Woodson didn't try to get Melo the ball in other ways.

I have loved Woodson as a coach this year, but to run the same stuff at Miami. Even Lebron said they were in touch or flow with everything we were doing out there. Last night reminded me of D'Antoni's stubbornness.

I won't get into one of the most horrendously officiated playoff games in the history of the NBA. That deserves it's own thread with video footage - What has the time?

EMS

With all the right adjustments, we might have only lost by 23!

This team is too predictable playing that style of BB. If we continue, its a wash. Maybe Melo need to learn how to flop like Lebron.

Bonn1997 wrote:With all the right adjustments, we might have only lost by 23!

And if called all the right timeouts to boot it would have come down further to 15.heck, it would have cured Tyson's flu and Shumps ACL as well.

I think we should Fire Woodson.

You guys have it backwards. The adjustments will/should come in game 2. Each playoff game has its own identity. Miami has shown its game plan, front the post and overload the strong side (Melo's side). Miami will play the same exact way on Monday, so the ball is in the Knicks court to adjust. After watching film, Woodson now has to adjust to what the Heat are doing and we should see a different gameplan on Monday....

Woody will make some adjustments and the Knicks won't be blindsided by the Heat tactics and refs again. This team can play much better than they did yesterday. I just didn't like the way Woody had the team so unprepared for the game. It reinforced all the negatives about him as a coach. This is how his ATL team looked when he got swept 2 years in a row. He can't go out like that again and I fully expect some adjustments. Too bad he lost a key defensive weapon in Shump.

Uptown wrote:You guys have it backwards. The adjustments will/should come in game 2. Each playoff game has its own identity. Miami has shown its game plan, front the post and overload the strong side (Melo's side). Miami will play the same exact way on Monday, so the ball is in the Knicks court to adjust. After watching film, Woodson now has to adjust to what the Heat are doing and we should see a different gameplan on Monday....

No, this is the playoffs. It's make or break. You make your adjustments when things aren't going your way e.g. - 2nd qtr on.

Got this from the other board from OrangeandBlue, great solution and no secret to fronting:

It's really simple. When they front Melo, Amare should cut to the top of the key, catch the pass, and Melo should cut towards the hoop. We didn't see this a single time.

Another thing we barely saw was Melo bringing the ball up. end quote

Also, what I noticed (as usual) is that Melo holds the ball to long. There were a few times where if he would have passed it earlier, or made a move earlier, we would have had easy points. By holding the ball he is just giving Miami time to double AND rotate. The doubling is to our advantage if he passes out, but he has to make those passes before the rotation - if possible.

What adjustments could he have made? Amar'e was in foul trouble, BD hurt his back, Bibby hurt his ankle, Shump tore his ACL and Tyson was essentially a corpse out there. To top it off, the ref's made it clear that we weren't allowed to do ANYTHING- try to defend: FOUL!, try to drive: either no call for us or OFFENSIVE FOUL! go near a Heat player, they flop: FOUL! Set a pick: FLAGRANT FOUL! complain: TECHNICAL FOUL! Oh and my personal favourite- throw the ball to an official, as you are required to do: TECHNICAL FOUL!

The adjustments for game 2 are what we can judge him on.

You guys are amazing.

Maybe adjustments were made and Miami was just too good?

Give the heat some credit instead of just assuming the knicks were inept.

MDA or Woodson, the Knicks were just 36-30 for the year.

Chandler sick did not help, but Jefrries is hurt, Davis is hurt, Lin is out, JR is still JR and Melo did not grow bigger balls in the course of one month.

We never had season with everyone playing good with the same coach and line up. "Small samples" is all we got.

Fans had hope. The Heat killed it.

Give them credit, they might be assholes but they are talented and well coached.

Their "Riley Cred" is defense first. They can be devastating. And they were.

Nalod wrote:You guys are amazing.

Maybe adjustments were made and Miami was just too good?

Agreed. Lebron outscored our entire starting lineup. The only adjustment that would have worked would be convincing the refs to let us play 6 on 5.

Lebron looks different. Focused and the best player on the planet.

The flopping is a league thing. I don't blame Lebron, he should gain every advantage he can via the rules.

When Van Gundy goes off on flopping its not the player, its the rules.

JVG is still a knick fan at heart. He went off on the refs pretty good!

Still love the dude! He can come back anytime!

Nalod wrote:You guys are amazing.

Maybe adjustments were made and Miami was just too good?

Give the heat some credit instead of just assuming the knicks were inept.

MDA or Woodson, the Knicks were just 36-30 for the year.

Chandler sick did not help, but Jefrries is hurt, Davis is hurt, Lin is out, JR is still JR and Melo did not grow bigger balls in the course of one month.

We never had season with everyone playing good with the same coach and line up. "Small samples" is all we got.

Fans had hope. The Heat killed it.

Give them credit, they might be assholes but they are talented and well coached.

Their "Riley Cred" is defense first. They can be devastating. And they were.

Great post. Can't wait until tomorrow night.

Nalod wrote:
Lebron looks different. Focused and the best player on the planet.

The flopping is a league thing. I don't blame Lebron, he should gain every advantage he can via the rules.

When Van Gundy goes off on flopping its not the player, its the rules.

JVG is still a knick fan at heart. He went off on the refs pretty good!

Still love the dude! He can come back anytime!

It really is a league thing. I'd admit the videos are hilarious but every movement of his body is micro-analyzed like no other players' movements are.

Come on, what adjustments could we have made or maybe we made them. I didn't see anything obvious. So Miami is so good that every adjustment failed? How about not trying to throw the ball over the man fronting again and again into the corner? Why there of all places, Melo is cornered when he gets it. How about getting Melo the ball in motion (via a handoff) as he moves towards the middle. How about the suggestion I mentioned above from the other forum. This isn't that difficult.

Miami may be a great team but I don't ever think we are that cornered. Well, now that Shump is out, things don't look good.

And if no adjustments can be made then this series is going to be a short series, so I hope you who say that are all very wrong.

smackeddog wrote:What adjustments could he have made? Amar'e was in foul trouble, BD hurt his back, Bibby hurt his ankle, Shump tore his ACL and Tyson was essentially a corpse out there. To top it off, the ref's made it clear that we weren't allowed to do ANYTHING- try to defend: FOUL!, try to drive: either no call for us or OFFENSIVE FOUL! go near a Heat player, they flop: FOUL! Set a pick: FLAGRANT FOUL! complain: TECHNICAL FOUL! Oh and my personal favourite- throw the ball to an official, as you are required to do: TECHNICAL FOUL!

The adjustments for game 2 are what we can judge him on.

+1

Plus I'm not gonna blame forcing ISO Melo on Woody. I blame that on scared players with no confidence. I thought these guys were basketball players, not robots. If Woody says give it to Melo but the pass is not there than do something else..don't force it. The ability to interpet when to pass and when not to pass the basketball was severely lacking in a group of guys who are being paid millions to play this sport. Even we are paying a group of incredibly incompetent ballers or these guys were intimidated, scared, lacked confidence, and deflated due to the way the refs called this game.

earthmansurfer wrote:Come on, what adjustments could we have made or maybe we made them. I didn't see anything obvious. So Miami is so good that every adjustment failed? How about not trying to throw the ball over the man fronting again and again into the corner? Why there of all places, Melo is cornered when he gets it. How about getting Melo the ball in motion (via a handoff) as he moves towards the middle. How about the suggestion I mentioned above from the other forum. This isn't that difficult.

EXACTLY!!! You're not wrong! Heck we know for a fact that this team has other ways to run our offense than to force everything into the post. This was just DUMB BB! This is why you want to mix in more ball and player movement, screens, curls, give n goes, PnR...

It's just one game so it's not the end of the series. They need to be much more prepared next game. I wish we were really healthy too. Still we've got to make some changes to how we get more open looks for our scorers. Set some damn screens for Novak!!!

earthmansurfer wrote:

Uptown wrote:You guys have it backwards. The adjustments will/should come in game 2. Each playoff game has its own identity. Miami has shown its game plan, front the post and overload the strong side (Melo's side). Miami will play the same exact way on Monday, so the ball is in the Knicks court to adjust. After watching film, Woodson now has to adjust to what the Heat are doing and we should see a different gameplan on Monday....

No, this is the playoffs. It's make or break. You make your adjustments when things aren't going your way e.g. - 2nd qtr on.

Got this from the other board from OrangeandBlue, great solution and no secret to fronting:

It's really simple. When they front Melo, Amare should cut to the top of the key, catch the pass, and Melo should cut towards the hoop. We didn't see this a single time.

Another thing we barely saw was Melo bringing the ball up. end quote

Also, what I noticed (as usual) is that Melo holds the ball to long. There were a few times where if he would have passed it earlier, or made a move earlier, we would have had easy points. By holding the ball he is just giving Miami time to double AND rotate. The doubling is to our advantage if he passes out, but he has to make those passes before the rotation - if possible.

First, you will be abel to make minor adjustments in-game. But the major adjustments will come after film sessions and leading into game two.

You didn't need to look to another board for the adjustment you posted because I said the same exact thing in the game thread. I said, if they are fronting Melo high, you bring Amare up and play high-low with he and Melo which is an old UCLA play.....

Uptown wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Uptown wrote:You guys have it backwards. The adjustments will/should come in game 2. Each playoff game has its own identity. Miami has shown its game plan, front the post and overload the strong side (Melo's side). Miami will play the same exact way on Monday, so the ball is in the Knicks court to adjust. After watching film, Woodson now has to adjust to what the Heat are doing and we should see a different gameplan on Monday....

No, this is the playoffs. It's make or break. You make your adjustments when things aren't going your way e.g. - 2nd qtr on.

Got this from the other board from OrangeandBlue, great solution and no secret to fronting:

It's really simple. When they front Melo, Amare should cut to the top of the key, catch the pass, and Melo should cut towards the hoop. We didn't see this a single time.

Another thing we barely saw was Melo bringing the ball up. end quote

Also, what I noticed (as usual) is that Melo holds the ball to long. There were a few times where if he would have passed it earlier, or made a move earlier, we would have had easy points. By holding the ball he is just giving Miami time to double AND rotate. The doubling is to our advantage if he passes out, but he has to make those passes before the rotation - if possible.

First, you will be abel to make minor adjustments in-game. But the major adjustments will come after film sessions and leading into game two.

You didn't need to look to another board for the adjustment you posted because I said the same exact thing in the game thread. I said, if they are fronting Melo high, you bring Amare up and play high-low with he and Melo which is an old UCLA play.....

If you have a varied offensive attack you don't need to see film to make the needed adjustments. The Knicks have a TON of offensive plays to choose from after a full season with 2 coaches. They've shown more of their offense in other games so we know they can switch to other plays and focus the attack on different players. This was just a bad job by Woody.

nixluva wrote:

Uptown wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Uptown wrote:You guys have it backwards. The adjustments will/should come in game 2. Each playoff game has its own identity. Miami has shown its game plan, front the post and overload the strong side (Melo's side). Miami will play the same exact way on Monday, so the ball is in the Knicks court to adjust. After watching film, Woodson now has to adjust to what the Heat are doing and we should see a different gameplan on Monday....

No, this is the playoffs. It's make or break. You make your adjustments when things aren't going your way e.g. - 2nd qtr on.

Got this from the other board from OrangeandBlue, great solution and no secret to fronting:

It's really simple. When they front Melo, Amare should cut to the top of the key, catch the pass, and Melo should cut towards the hoop. We didn't see this a single time.

Another thing we barely saw was Melo bringing the ball up. end quote

Also, what I noticed (as usual) is that Melo holds the ball to long. There were a few times where if he would have passed it earlier, or made a move earlier, we would have had easy points. By holding the ball he is just giving Miami time to double AND rotate. The doubling is to our advantage if he passes out, but he has to make those passes before the rotation - if possible.

First, you will be abel to make minor adjustments in-game. But the major adjustments will come after film sessions and leading into game two.

You didn't need to look to another board for the adjustment you posted because I said the same exact thing in the game thread. I said, if they are fronting Melo high, you bring Amare up and play high-low with he and Melo which is an old UCLA play.....

If you have a varied offensive attack you don't need to see film to make the needed adjustments. The Knicks have a TON of offensive plays to choose from after a full season with 2 coaches. They've shown more of their offense in other games so we know they can switch to other plays and focus the attack on different players. This was just a bad job by Woody.

As we saw the last time we went to Miami and got the sh1t kicked out of us, it's pretty hard to adjust to Miami without a PG that can beat their press and break them down. Remember that game? It was kinda ugly - I don't remember the super adjustments nor did I see the varied offensive attack.

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Uptown wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Uptown wrote:You guys have it backwards. The adjustments will/should come in game 2. Each playoff game has its own identity. Miami has shown its game plan, front the post and overload the strong side (Melo's side). Miami will play the same exact way on Monday, so the ball is in the Knicks court to adjust. After watching film, Woodson now has to adjust to what the Heat are doing and we should see a different gameplan on Monday....

No, this is the playoffs. It's make or break. You make your adjustments when things aren't going your way e.g. - 2nd qtr on.

Got this from the other board from OrangeandBlue, great solution and no secret to fronting:

It's really simple. When they front Melo, Amare should cut to the top of the key, catch the pass, and Melo should cut towards the hoop. We didn't see this a single time.

Another thing we barely saw was Melo bringing the ball up. end quote

Also, what I noticed (as usual) is that Melo holds the ball to long. There were a few times where if he would have passed it earlier, or made a move earlier, we would have had easy points. By holding the ball he is just giving Miami time to double AND rotate. The doubling is to our advantage if he passes out, but he has to make those passes before the rotation - if possible.

First, you will be abel to make minor adjustments in-game. But the major adjustments will come after film sessions and leading into game two.

You didn't need to look to another board for the adjustment you posted because I said the same exact thing in the game thread. I said, if they are fronting Melo high, you bring Amare up and play high-low with he and Melo which is an old UCLA play.....

If you have a varied offensive attack you don't need to see film to make the needed adjustments. The Knicks have a TON of offensive plays to choose from after a full season with 2 coaches. They've shown more of their offense in other games so we know they can switch to other plays and focus the attack on different players. This was just a bad job by Woody.

As we saw the last time we went to Miami and got the sh1t kicked out of us, it's pretty hard to adjust to Miami without a PG that can beat their press and break them down. Remember that game? It was kinda ugly - I don't remember the super adjustments nor did I see the varied offensive attack.

The only way to be competative with the Heat is to control the tempo of the game and play fast ball.
If they set on defense the game is lost.
To do this we need a point (Lin?) and coach (???).
So we are defenetally not the team to beat the Heat (not in the series, not ever).

arkrud wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Uptown wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Uptown wrote:You guys have it backwards. The adjustments will/should come in game 2. Each playoff game has its own identity. Miami has shown its game plan, front the post and overload the strong side (Melo's side). Miami will play the same exact way on Monday, so the ball is in the Knicks court to adjust. After watching film, Woodson now has to adjust to what the Heat are doing and we should see a different gameplan on Monday....

No, this is the playoffs. It's make or break. You make your adjustments when things aren't going your way e.g. - 2nd qtr on.

Got this from the other board from OrangeandBlue, great solution and no secret to fronting:

It's really simple. When they front Melo, Amare should cut to the top of the key, catch the pass, and Melo should cut towards the hoop. We didn't see this a single time.

Another thing we barely saw was Melo bringing the ball up. end quote

Also, what I noticed (as usual) is that Melo holds the ball to long. There were a few times where if he would have passed it earlier, or made a move earlier, we would have had easy points. By holding the ball he is just giving Miami time to double AND rotate. The doubling is to our advantage if he passes out, but he has to make those passes before the rotation - if possible.

First, you will be abel to make minor adjustments in-game. But the major adjustments will come after film sessions and leading into game two.

You didn't need to look to another board for the adjustment you posted because I said the same exact thing in the game thread. I said, if they are fronting Melo high, you bring Amare up and play high-low with he and Melo which is an old UCLA play.....

If you have a varied offensive attack you don't need to see film to make the needed adjustments. The Knicks have a TON of offensive plays to choose from after a full season with 2 coaches. They've shown more of their offense in other games so we know they can switch to other plays and focus the attack on different players. This was just a bad job by Woody.

As we saw the last time we went to Miami and got the sh1t kicked out of us, it's pretty hard to adjust to Miami without a PG that can beat their press and break them down. Remember that game? It was kinda ugly - I don't remember the super adjustments nor did I see the varied offensive attack.

The only way to be competative with the Heat is to control the tempo of the game and play fast ball.
If they set on defense the game is lost.
To do this we need a point (Lin?) and coach (???).
So we are defenetally not the team to beat the Heat (not in the series, not ever).

Well ... I sort of agree with that. However, Lin did not fare well against them in Miami - he was putrid!!

To beat them, you need a veteran PG with an excellent handle. Maybe Lin will one day be that guy but he is not that player now.

Coach? I am all for bringing in PJax though I am not sure it would make a real diff vs Miami. It MIGHT get us 1-2 games which is not nothing.