Lin was an economics major and graduated from Harvard. He fired his agent and signed on with a shark. He recognized that this might be his one huge contract in the nba and he went all in. He was smart enough to sign with a new agent. Do you think he had a momentary lapse in judgement and didn't recognize that the revised version of his contract would be prohibitive because of the cap for the Knicks to sign him? Lin was looking out for Lin as he should. Switching team allegiance because the team you root for didn't want to get crushed by a contract for a guy coming off a menisus injury and a 25 game good stretch seems a bit dramatic in my opinion.
CrushAlot wrote:Lin was an economics major and graduated from Harvard. He fired his agent and signed on with a shark. He recognized that this might be his one huge contract in the nba and he went all in. He was smart enough to sign with a new agent. Do you think he had a momentary lapse in judgement and didn't recognize that the revised version of his contract would be prohibitive because of the cap for the Knicks to sign him? Lin was looking out for Lin as he should. Switching team allegiance because the team you root for didn't want to get crushed by a contract for a guy coming off a menisus injury and a 25 game good stretch seems a bit dramatic in my opinion.
switching allegiance to Brooklyn yes is quite dramatic but simply losing interest in a mediocre 1st/2nd rd exit team is not
Remember, Kwame Brown was picked 1st round 1st pick and paid millions and he's the absolute worst NBA player in the league right now. Jeremy Lin came off the bench and undrafted and broke HALL OF FAME players records in his first few games and went on to play at an all-star level in such a short time period. You don't get to do that if you're a scrub player in the league of Luke Walton. Apparently, Lin isn't.
What else does Lin need to do to prove he's a capable player? file your tax for you? babysit your twelve kids? direct an oscar winning film? Discover the cure for cancer?
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mrKnickShot wrote:crzymdups wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:LIn aint getting them passed Miami
Lin can get better. Felton is what he is. Kidd is not what he was.
I think the sole reason that this was not an insta-sign was how Miami exposed him.
Can he be good - really good? Maybe ... but thats all it is.
I hope they sign him but he certainly isn't the savior or what puts them over the top.
The knicks are alot better than they were last year though - even without him.
Lin had that one bad game and it came at a time when the minutes were really starting to get to him AND Miami threw it all at him. Can your really put so much weight on one game against the champions and forget the other incredible 25 games? I don't understand the logic you and others are using here.
Further, Lin is a top 3 player on this team. That means other players should be gone before him. You don't let a top 3 player walk. Something personal is going on and I don't doubt that nor that Lin is not a Woody kind of player.
I'm with crzydups and I think neither or us (nor the thousands of other fans who feel the same) mean this as a threat. We have waited for years for a team oriented guy like this and he fell into our laps, turned the team around, made it fun to watch the game again and now they might not match and are blaming it on tax? Hey, blame it on others contracts that are taxed as well, don't put it all on Lin's. Lin's contract in and of itself is bearable. Stat's isn't imo. We can probably be creative in that 3rd year with getting rid of other contracts.
If Lin is gone I will just go back to box score watching and catching the occasional game here and there. No more league pass, no more money to Dolan from me. And it's not to spite him, it's because the reason, the main reason, is that this team was fun to watch again.
As far as the Nets go, well, like a lot of guys here, I'm from Brooklyn. If I am sick of what Dolan has done to this team for years, this would be the last straw. I'm not saying I'd be a Nets fan, but I sure would give them a look as it would be too painful to watch this team after seeing Lin go and thinking what could have been.
ATrain wrote:crzymdups wrote:ATrain wrote:crzymdups wrote:nyk4ever wrote:i understand guys like lin, his story was great, but what did he prove last year? he wouldn't play in the playoffs, he didn't execute great in the half-court set, his defense was questionable at best. were there some good times? sure were, the kid has heart and that's great, but we are trying to win a championship here, not collect guys with heart.i want lin back just like anyone, but that pricetag is stupid. he's not a proven commodity.
$25M over three years averages to $8.33 M per year. he is proven at that level. you don't do the things that kid did at the highest level and it's some kind of fluke.
Damn, I must have missed the game where he dunked over LeBron. What exactly did he do?
go back through the Sports Illustrated archives and look for the only player in history to make the cover two weeks in a row and then maybe you won't feel so utterly clueless.
Ohhh so an 8.33M salary is warranted because he is very marketable. Gotcha.
What if the player (Lin) brings in enough money to pay for his salary and the tax? There was an article on the front page yesterday that estimated Lin brought in another 10-20 million dollars last year. Well, that pays for his next to years salary and maybe some of the third. This is a no brainer. It's not because he's marketable, but that part will pay for his salary and tax and after that there will be profit. What I and others am saying is, on top of that and primarily, he is a great player, top 3 on this team (yes, above Stat). He shouldn't be going anywhere.
ATrain wrote:crzymdups wrote:I'm sorry, I know there are topics about this. But this team, this fanbase has HUNGERED for a young talent for YEARS. We have begged and pleaded and prayed for a young bluechip prospect, often at point guard. We FINALLY get one. We FINALLY have one. And we're going to let him go? Because of money? Because of Melo?
Whattt are you talking about?? Shumpert isn't going anywhere!
Shumpert's ass was out the door if Nash wanted to come to NY.
I agree with Crazy... this is going to be one of the STUPIDEST decisions ever made by this team. The others, getting Marbury and Melo.
Lin is a team player, makes his teammates better. He introduced the world to Steve Novak and Novak now has a 4 yr 15 million contract! What do you think he is thinking now? They beat the Lakers with nobody but Lin. When was the last time, NY ever beat LA?
UNreal!
Syniko wrote:Remember, Kwame Brown was picked 1st round 1st pick and paid millions and he's the absolute worst NBA player in the league right now. Jeremy Lin came off the bench and undrafted and broke HALL OF FAME players records in his first few games and went on to play at an all-star level in such a short time period. You don't get to do that if you're a scrub player in the league of Luke Walton. Apparently, Lin isn't.What else does Lin need to do to prove he's a capable player? file your tax for you? babysit your twelve kids? direct an oscar winning film? Discover the cure for cancer?
If he can get me Kate Upton's personal cell number, then Lin proves he's a capable 'player' ;)
Anyone who quits being a Knicks fan because of the (if it happens) loss of Lin is really a Lin fan, not a Knick fan. You won't be missed. Knicks would be stupid to match that contract.......he hasn't earned Rondo money.
Some say Knicks messed up by not offering him a contract 1st but, that is redundant since the Houston has shown that they are more than willing to overpay for his services. Signing Lin to that money would eliminate any possible flexibility in the future. We are already handcuffed with Amare, Melo and Tyson, matching for Lind would be like going from salary cap purgatory to hell.
His agent knew full well the ramifications of this deal, and if he didn't he's a fool. I hope Lin enjoys not even sniffing the playoffs because Houston is going nowhere.
getting melo is one of the stupidest deals the knicks have ever made?
wow.
how about the laundry list of isiah moves, or layden moves, or tapscott, or checketts?
Hate to say it but I'm with crzy....
This would be the last straw for me and while I wouldn't switch allegiances to another team, I would stop caring about the Knicks until Dolan sells.....would just follow the NBA generally until that happens.
I've been a diehard my whole life and bought season tickets even when David Lee was our best player. I want to believe so badly that this franchise is in good hands but after the Isiah era and everything else we've been through...if they don't match Lin, then I can't support this anymore....it's not fun rooting for evil.
I like Lin a lot as a basketball prospect but it's not because I'm emotionally tied to Linsanity that I feel this way (although will say going to the games at MSG was never more fun).....it's because if we let Lin walk, it will clearly show that Dolan is pissed and just making an emotional decision....letting him go for nothing is just a bad basketball decision and quite simply, it's just bad business period.
Even if they are pissed, match the damn offer and re-evaluate a year from now. All of his stats indicate that he will be worth more than $5MM next season. As Hahn and Clyde said on the broadcast yesterday, you match now and deal with it later.
gunsnewing wrote:I'm not going to say I'd be done with the Knicks but my excitement level would really drop. I probably won't be investing much time on another mediocre to subpar Knicks team that will never win a ring or develop championship talent. I would never root for the Nets thats for sure
what makes you think Lin would have made us drastically better than we are now. Felton played really well for us and will likely be enthused by a return to the Garden. Houston was the wrong place for him. I'm not sold on his fit for this team as it is. Did he make the game easier for Amare or anyone other than Novak because that is a point guards job. His greatest attribute was getting his own points.
Not saying Felton is better than him but, he will be more than capable of running the show. His PnR skills improved as the year wen along and he showed that he's a good defender. Better than Lin. Having Felton and Shump in the back court is a defensively superior back court.
crzymdups wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I'm not going to say I'd be done but my excitement level really dropped. I probably won't be investing much time on another mediocre to subpar Knicks team that will never win a ring or develop championship talent
dolan thinks we're idiots. he thinks we'll buy the false hope that kidd and camby offer.
i'd much rather be rooting for a team of:
Lin, Gallo, Shump, Tyson, Wilson, etc going into next season.
i'd much rather build a relationship to a team and to see young guys come up and learn how to win.
No, Dolan just wants you personally to move to Denver. Ovbviously, that's what all rich, self-centered capitalist pigs live and die for.
Good riddance. Take your whiney dreams of watching sub-par talent going nowhere elsewhere.
This "I hated the trade, I still hate the trade, I will always hate the trade, I will teach my kids to hate the trade" sh-t is what is truly so f---ing tired...and idiotic.
The only negative part of the contract is Year 3... by then if Lin isn't performing to the level expected, his expiring salary would be valuable to many teams looking to clear cap space. Same thing with Amare's by then. There's really no negative to matching the offer.
Good and stay gone dont come crawling back when the Knicks win 50 games this year
what does melo have to do with lin? melo is the one who pushed d'antoni to play lin and melo is the one who went out to dinner with lin 2 weeks ago. if anyone says melo doesn't want lin back they are just making shit up.
mrKnickShot wrote:LIn aint getting them passed Miami
and Felton will? puhahahaha
DurzoBlint wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I'm not going to say I'd be done with the Knicks but my excitement level would really drop. I probably won't be investing much time on another mediocre to subpar Knicks team that will never win a ring or develop championship talent. I would never root for the Nets thats for sure
what makes you think Lin would have made us drastically better than we are now. Felton played really well for us and will likely be enthused by a return to the Garden. Houston was the wrong place for him. I'm not sold on his fit for this team as it is. Did he make the game easier for Amare or anyone other than Novak because that is a point guards job. His greatest attribute was getting his own points.
Not saying Felton is better than him but, he will be more than capable of running the show. His PnR skills improved as the year wen along and he showed that he's a good defender. Better than Lin. Having Felton and Shump in the back court is a defensively superior back court.
Check felton's career without Dantoni. Couldn't even stay on the court under Larry Brown and was an atrocity in Denver & Portland
CrushAlot wrote:Lin was an economics major and graduated from Harvard. He fired his agent and signed on with a shark. He recognized that this might be his one huge contract in the nba and he went all in. He was smart enough to sign with a new agent. Do you think he had a momentary lapse in judgement and didn't recognize that the revised version of his contract would be prohibitive because of the cap for the Knicks to sign him? Lin was looking out for Lin as he should. Switching team allegiance because the team you root for didn't want to get crushed by a contract for a guy coming off a menisus injury and a 25 game good stretch seems a bit dramatic in my opinion.
How are the Knickis crushed by any contract? you dont get it--Lin is making 5mm per the next two years--a very reasonable contract. If he plays anywhere near the level he was playing he would be drastically underpaid. On top of that other teams apparently like Lin--one team willing to give him the 14.8 for yr 3. That meaans is a very tradeable asset as well. Who can base their business 3 yeras from now in basketball? Anything can happen--that third year means nothing--its excuse and stupidity. This is about Dolan and Melo ego time
BRIGGS wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Lin was an economics major and graduated from Harvard. He fired his agent and signed on with a shark. He recognized that this might be his one huge contract in the nba and he went all in. He was smart enough to sign with a new agent. Do you think he had a momentary lapse in judgement and didn't recognize that the revised version of his contract would be prohibitive because of the cap for the Knicks to sign him? Lin was looking out for Lin as he should. Switching team allegiance because the team you root for didn't want to get crushed by a contract for a guy coming off a menisus injury and a 25 game good stretch seems a bit dramatic in my opinion.
How are the Knickis crushed by any contract? you dont get it--Lin is making 5mm per the next two years--a very reasonable contract. If he plays anywhere near the level he was playing he would be drastically underpaid. On top of that other teams apparently like Lin--one team willing to give him the 14.8 for yr 3. That meaans is a very tradeable asset as well. Who can base their business 3 yeras from now in basketball? Anything can happen--that third year means nothing--its excuse and stupidity. This is about Dolan and Melo ego time
Dolan Melo ego time sounds like a response based in emotion and not one by someone that 'gets it'. I am not a cba expert and if you are suggesting the Knicks sign Lin with the intent of trading him before they take the cap hit that certainly is a reasonable option. Hahn spoke yesterday explaining the ramifications of the third yeasr of Lin's contract the Knicks would have to pay 3.50 for every dollar over they are over the cap. I believe they alos are not allowed to do sign and trades and there are other restrictions. The point of my post was that Lin and the Rockets changed the original contract to have a third year that makes it very difficult for even the Knicks to match. I think Lin is too smart not to be aware of what the third year of the new deal might mean.
