Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Knicks must match Lin and work around the luxury tax by trading Amare by year 3
I'd rather trade Melo!
Trade both. Keep Lin. We'd still be a .500 team and we'd clear 40 to 50 mil/year in cap space.
At this pace, Jeremy Lin will be inducted to the Hall of Fame in a few hours.
mrKnickShot wrote:crzymdups wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:joec32033 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:franco12 wrote:this is a three year deal which lines up Melo, Stat and Chandler. One year of being in a bad way financially. I can't believe Dolan, who blew so much money on bad deals that had longer term implications, is going to let Lin walk for nothing.True - with hindsight we'll be able to judge this better- but when has a team given up such a potential talent for nothing? I don't think its there - but this is up there with the Red Sox giving up Babe Ruth.
What is really crazy is that everyone blames the tax implications all on Lin for year 3. What about the 3.5 they just added from Felton? That will cost the team an extra $ 9m too! What a joke this all is. The contracts of Camby and Kidd are 3 year deals too! Not to mention the outrageous money that Stat and Melo will be making.
IT's so dumb. Empty your pockets Dolan! Keep the better player!
Felton will not cost the Knicks $43 million dollars in year 3 alone.
Also, Felton will not turn the ball over 8 times a game against the Heat, and will actually stay in front of Jose Calderon. 
In all fairness Lin cut his turnovers down. He seems like he can stay at 3-4, which is more than find for his style. Great pg's often are in that range - take a look.
And in fairness again, Lin was a great defender the first half of those 25 games but the minutes just got to him imo. He can move very well. Not having to rely on him for 45 minutes is going to make him a much better player. The same can be said of our other PGs being able to play harder for shorter stretches.
Good post.
And as for everyone harping on that Miami game - it was the CHAMPIONS - good post by Ian O'Connor - It was like when Pippen and Jordan were intent on embarrassing Kukoc.
Jeremy Lin didn't fake anything in his 15 minutes as a Knick. He tore through the league before he tore up his knee, and in between ran into a Miami Heat team hell-bent on stamping out the raging fires of Linsanity. LeBron James and Dwyane Wade went at Lin the way Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen went at Toni Kukoc in the '92 Olympics, and hard lessons were taught and learned.People who believe Lin to be a fluke, a figment of Mike D'Antoni's imagination, forever default back to that game in Miami before the All-Star break, when an exhausted Lin looked hopelessly lost. But that night was merely a case of a rookie quarterback running up against a fiercely determined defense. Lin is bound to become a better quarterback for that experience, not a weaker one.
Oh but lets fault Melo for losing to (akin) Jordan and Pippen in the playoffs with dumb Amare and no show Tyson (oh ... and no PG)
I never faulted Melo for losing to the Heat. Without Lin and Shump, Melo had no chance.
Which is why I want to bring Lin and Shump back.
What part of that am I not making clear?
Knicksfan wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Knicks must match Lin and work around the luxury tax by trading Amare by year 3
I'd rather trade Melo!
Trade both. Keep Lin. We'd still be a .500 team and we'd clear 40 to 50 mil/year in cap space.
At this pace, Jeremy Lin will be inducted to the Hall of Fame in a few hours.
you can joke, but this is one of the stupidest decisions i have ever seen any team make.
this is honestly the equivalent of waiving derek jeter after his rookie season. that's the last rookie who played as smart and well as lin in this city.
crzymdups wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:crzymdups wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:joec32033 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:franco12 wrote:this is a three year deal which lines up Melo, Stat and Chandler. One year of being in a bad way financially. I can't believe Dolan, who blew so much money on bad deals that had longer term implications, is going to let Lin walk for nothing.True - with hindsight we'll be able to judge this better- but when has a team given up such a potential talent for nothing? I don't think its there - but this is up there with the Red Sox giving up Babe Ruth.
What is really crazy is that everyone blames the tax implications all on Lin for year 3. What about the 3.5 they just added from Felton? That will cost the team an extra $ 9m too! What a joke this all is. The contracts of Camby and Kidd are 3 year deals too! Not to mention the outrageous money that Stat and Melo will be making.
IT's so dumb. Empty your pockets Dolan! Keep the better player!
Felton will not cost the Knicks $43 million dollars in year 3 alone.
Also, Felton will not turn the ball over 8 times a game against the Heat, and will actually stay in front of Jose Calderon.
In all fairness Lin cut his turnovers down. He seems like he can stay at 3-4, which is more than find for his style. Great pg's often are in that range - take a look.
And in fairness again, Lin was a great defender the first half of those 25 games but the minutes just got to him imo. He can move very well. Not having to rely on him for 45 minutes is going to make him a much better player. The same can be said of our other PGs being able to play harder for shorter stretches.
Good post.
And as for everyone harping on that Miami game - it was the CHAMPIONS - good post by Ian O'Connor - It was like when Pippen and Jordan were intent on embarrassing Kukoc.
Jeremy Lin didn't fake anything in his 15 minutes as a Knick. He tore through the league before he tore up his knee, and in between ran into a Miami Heat team hell-bent on stamping out the raging fires of Linsanity. LeBron James and Dwyane Wade went at Lin the way Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen went at Toni Kukoc in the '92 Olympics, and hard lessons were taught and learned.People who believe Lin to be a fluke, a figment of Mike D'Antoni's imagination, forever default back to that game in Miami before the All-Star break, when an exhausted Lin looked hopelessly lost. But that night was merely a case of a rookie quarterback running up against a fiercely determined defense. Lin is bound to become a better quarterback for that experience, not a weaker one.
Oh but lets fault Melo for losing to (akin) Jordan and Pippen in the playoffs with dumb Amare and no show Tyson (oh ... and no PG)
I never faulted Melo for losing to the Heat. Without Lin and Shump, Melo had no chance.
Which is why I want to bring Lin and Shump back.
What part of that am I not making clear?
Not necessarily you but other trolls like Bonn :-) who ignore context when unsuited
What if the poison pill year was 25 million (base)?
There has to be a line somewhere no? Who is that judge?
crzymdups wrote:Knicksfan wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Knicks must match Lin and work around the luxury tax by trading Amare by year 3
I'd rather trade Melo!
Trade both. Keep Lin. We'd still be a .500 team and we'd clear 40 to 50 mil/year in cap space.
At this pace, Jeremy Lin will be inducted to the Hall of Fame in a few hours.
you can joke, but this is one of the stupidest decisions i have ever seen any team make.
this is honestly the equivalent of waiving derek jeter after his rookie season. that's the last rookie who played as smart and well as lin in this city.
Huh? NO COMPARISON DUDE! Derek Jeter played 157 games his Rookie Season in 1996. Better comparison is Shane Spencer.
ChuckBuck wrote:crzymdups wrote:Knicksfan wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Knicks must match Lin and work around the luxury tax by trading Amare by year 3
I'd rather trade Melo!
Trade both. Keep Lin. We'd still be a .500 team and we'd clear 40 to 50 mil/year in cap space.
At this pace, Jeremy Lin will be inducted to the Hall of Fame in a few hours.
you can joke, but this is one of the stupidest decisions i have ever seen any team make.
this is honestly the equivalent of waiving derek jeter after his rookie season. that's the last rookie who played as smart and well as lin in this city.
Huh? NO COMPARISON DUDE! Derek Jeter played 157 games his Rookie Season in 1996. Better comparison is Shane Spencer.
Jeter also won Rookie of the Year. A better comparioon would be Lin to Kevin Maas.
Kevin Maas is a better comparison
Jeter? Are you fukkin insane?
What bothers me now is that the longer the Knicks let this go on the more damage it seems to be doing and that makes it harder to bring Lin back. If they decide to match, they then have all kinds of issues in the locker room. It didn't have to be that way. They should've just locked Lin up on day one if they fully intended to keep Lin. That's why it seems like they weren't that sold on Lin. If you're 100% sold on Lin then you don't let him go and talk to other teams. You talk to him and make him know that you want him to stay. So it seems to me that there was some kind of issue within the org. about Lin.
I thought Lin and Shump were the future of the team long term. Our 2 youngest guards that worked well together and it just made sense. However, from Woody and Melo's standpoint Lin was a problem. Neither guy really want to play a style that Lin thrives in. Woody and Melo prefer ISO ball and old school BB rather than a PG driven offensive style. I hope i'm wrong, but I think the Knicks really are secretly happy that Lin got that new offer from Houston so they could have the excuse not to resign him.
mrKnickShot wrote:Kevin Maas is a better comparison Jeter? Are you fukkin insane?
I love Lin but the Jeter comparison is insane. He's more like a minor leaguer and we have no idea whether he'll be say Shane Spencer or Melky Cabrera.
When you are over the cap, its hard to accumulate assets. Lin is an asset. Signing Lin, gives you the ability to bundle him with another expiring contract in the 3rd year for a player on a team who wants to rid themselves of a longer large contract.
Asset. A good one at that.
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Kevin Maas is a better comparison Jeter? Are you fukkin insane?
I love Lin but the Jeter comparison is insane. He's more like a minor leaguer and we have no idea whether he'll be say Shane Spencer or Melky Cabrera.
The Jeter comparison may be too high praise, but that's the last rookie I can think of who had that impact and played years savvier than he should have been. It may be too high praise, but that's who he reminded me of.
NBA all-time greats saying similar stuff:
Willis Reed: "Jeremy Lin reminds me so much of Walt Frazier. It's how Jeremy controls the game, gets the ball to the right people for easy baskets, the lobs he's throwing to Tyson Chandler -- it all reminds me of Clyde."Bob Cousy: "He's got the physical skills to reach a good, very good, or great level in this league. He's exactly what the Knicks needed, a leader and someone to distribute the ball as opposed to a bunch of guys just letting it fly."
Pete Carril: "Jeremy's innocent, he's young, he has no agenda, he throws the ball to the right guy. He's awfully fast, he can shoot, he can dribble and it doesn't look like he cares about playing for stats or money."
the jeter comparison is crap because jeter would have played in the playoffs at "85%" when lin didnt.
Greg Jeffries reminded many of Mickey Mantle
crzymdups wrote:GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Kevin Maas is a better comparison Jeter? Are you fukkin insane?
I love Lin but the Jeter comparison is insane. He's more like a minor leaguer and we have no idea whether he'll be say Shane Spencer or Melky Cabrera.
The Jeter comparison may be too high praise, but that's the last rookie I can think of who had that impact and played years savvier than he should have been. It may be too high praise, but that's who he reminded me of.
NBA all-time greats saying similar stuff:
Willis Reed: "Jeremy Lin reminds me so much of Walt Frazier. It's how Jeremy controls the game, gets the ball to the right people for easy baskets, the lobs he's throwing to Tyson Chandler -- it all reminds me of Clyde."Bob Cousy: "He's got the physical skills to reach a good, very good, or great level in this league. He's exactly what the Knicks needed, a leader and someone to distribute the ball as opposed to a bunch of guys just letting it fly."
Pete Carril: "Jeremy's innocent, he's young, he has no agenda, he throws the ball to the right guy. He's awfully fast, he can shoot, he can dribble and it doesn't look like he cares about playing for stats or money."
That first quote is sig worthy
nyk4ever wrote:the jeter comparison is crap because jeter would have played in the playoffs at "85%" when lin didnt.
the only person who told you lin was 85% is frank isola. some reporters have agendas, just so you know.
JohnStarksFan wrote:crzymdups wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:I MIGHT BE IN THE MINORITY BUT LIN IS GOING NOWHERE everyone needs to calm down
dude, every report is saying the knicks won't match. and they signed kidd, traded for felton and signed prigioni. they have 3 PGs. they aren't matching. it's over.
stupidity, egos and insecurity rule again. and make a mockery of the fact that we bothered to care.
FOR REAL! Why is being a Knick fan like being in an abusive relationship?
And we keep coming back for more. LMAO! Us Knicks fans are masochists. I don't know why people invest so much emotions in this.
crzymdups wrote:nyk4ever wrote:the jeter comparison is crap because jeter would have played in the playoffs at "85%" when lin didnt.
the only person who told you lin was 85% is frank isola. some reporters have agendas, just so you know.
really dude? gonna get testy? well thanks for the memo letting me know reporters have agendas. i'll have to keep that in mind from now on.
nyk4ever wrote:crzymdups wrote:nyk4ever wrote:the jeter comparison is crap because jeter would have played in the playoffs at "85%" when lin didnt.
the only person who told you lin was 85% is frank isola. some reporters have agendas, just so you know.
really dude? gonna get testy? well thanks for the memo letting me know reporters have agendas. i'll have to keep that in mind from now on.
sorry, dealing with a lot of testiness. didn't mean to be out of line.
but seriously. the report we heard was "sources say Lin was 85% but didn't want to risk injuring himself going into free agency."
we also heard melo say "don't play jeremy. don't risk it."
i think it's funny that fans hold Lin resting torn meniscus in his knee as a grudge... but not many people bring up that Amar'e has had self-inflicted stupid injuries to kill any playoffs chances two years in a row.
Briggs, is right the Knicks should match the offer the reason to do this is for future trades. Lin is a a good trade piece for future transaction. I can't see why the Knicks won't be able to move someone in order to hover around the cap number.
Playing Lin in a miami series where the roster was depleted and we didnt stand a chance made absolutely no sense. This is
crzymdups wrote:nyk4ever wrote:crzymdups wrote:nyk4ever wrote:the jeter comparison is crap because jeter would have played in the playoffs at "85%" when lin didnt.
the only person who told you lin was 85% is frank isola. some reporters have agendas, just so you know.
really dude? gonna get testy? well thanks for the memo letting me know reporters have agendas. i'll have to keep that in mind from now on.
sorry, dealing with a lot of testiness. didn't mean to be out of line.
but seriously. the report we heard was "sources say Lin was 85% but didn't want to risk injuring himself going into free agency."
we also heard melo say "don't play jeremy. don't risk it."
i think it's funny that fans hold Lin resting torn meniscus in his knee as a grudge... but not many people bring up that Amar'e has had self-inflicted stupid injuries to kill any playoffs chances two years in a row.
it's alright bro - i figured as much. we usually agree on most things and it's not that i disagree with you about this, i'm just not going to lose sleep over it. i want lin back, i think having him makes us a better team, but i'm honestly just not sold on him. yes, he's 24 and hasn't even begun to enter his prime years yet and yes he played absolutely astonishingly during that 2wk stretch and it was the most fun i've had as a knick fan in the past 10 years. with all that said, i'm still not sold on what kind of basketball player he really is. i didn't see a whole lot that made me think he can put up the same numbers in a half-court offense like the knicks are going to employ and he did have some issues defensively last year and it seems to me like we are going to be employing a much more defensive system this year.
i like lin, i like his story and i like his heart. i will be happy if we bring him back but i also just can't overlook that the fact that he is a very smart kid (which is obvious based on his background) and that if he REALLY REALLY REALLY wanted to make sure that it was a slam-dunk that he came back to the knicks, he wouldn't have signed that re-negotiated deal with houston. i know the knicks were offering less money, (same amount guaranteed just over 1 extra year) but for a kid whose family is already rich (i think i read that) then coming back to NY should have been a priority instead of a couple million dollars. he is the one that signed that offer-sheet with houston, so i do think he is at fault here too.
whatever the case - like i said, i hope we match, but i'm not gonna be pissed if we don't.
