... is low class. You don't discuss stuff like that in any form of life. Who is Carmelo Anthony to dictate who should or who should not get paid? - Briggs
“(Lin's contract) is kind of ridiculous in terms of the structure. I don’t think in terms of Jeremy’s value that it’s ridiculous. I think everybody knows that. He’s very valuable"
- Steve Novak
Briggs - "yellowboy--you simply do not discuss what other people make--whatever it is contract structure yearly pay--whatever it is--you dont do it"
Just some Saturday morning pastries. The Carmelo question generated 5 pages of posts and plenty of fierce opinion. Does the same rhetoric apply to one of the favorites of the Garden faithful, Steve Novak?
It would if there were same number of idiots trying to defend this extremely stupid act by Novak.
Novak clarified what Melo said, so he will look in better light.
I don't think what Novak said and what Melo said are the same at all.
For one thing, Novak was asked about Melo's comment and he was clearly trying to clarify Melo's remarks. Melo was asked if he thought the Knicks would keep Lin and he popped off about the "ridiculous contract".
Pretty sure Novak wouldn't have used the word ridiculous if the reporter hadn't asked him if he thought Lin's contract was ridiculous.
He did so in a nice way that says while the structure is ridiculous, the money isn't because Lin is valuable.
I don't think you can equate what Novak said to what Melo said at all.
The fact that this is even a talking point for the Knicks GOP is kinda sad.
crzymdups wrote:I don't think what Novak said and what Melo said are the same at all.For one thing, Novak was asked about Melo's comment and he was clearly trying to clarify Melo's remarks. Melo was asked if he thought the Knicks would keep Lin and he popped off about the "ridiculous contract".
Pretty sure Novak wouldn't have used the word ridiculous if the reporter hadn't asked him if he thought Lin's contract was ridiculous.
He did so in a nice way that says while the structure is ridiculous, the money isn't because Lin is valuable.
I don't think you can equate what Novak said to what Melo said at all.
The fact that this is even a talking point for the Knicks GOP is kinda sad.
It absolutely was the same. Melo just didn't elaborate as Novak did. You are already on record as saying you think Melo didn't want Lin here, so of course you want/have to believe that Melo was knocking Lin's contract and not the structure of it in order to back up your claims.
There is plenty of literature and direct quotes from Lin himself and Melo that imply they got along very well and enjoyed playing with other. Why does one quote from Melo that IMO is taken out of context debunk all of the quotes from Lin and Melo that say otherwise?
crzymdups wrote:I don't think what Novak said and what Melo said are the same at all.For one thing, Novak was asked about Melo's comment and he was clearly trying to clarify Melo's remarks. Melo was asked if he thought the Knicks would keep Lin and he popped off about the "ridiculous contract".
Pretty sure Novak wouldn't have used the word ridiculous if the reporter hadn't asked him if he thought Lin's contract was ridiculous.
He did so in a nice way that says while the structure is ridiculous, the money isn't because Lin is valuable.
I don't think you can equate what Novak said to what Melo said at all.
The fact that this is even a talking point for the Knicks GOP is kinda sad.
The ridiculousness of the contract rendered the Knicks unable to match the contract ..Melo should not be able to say it tho..Novak is ok, we like him...
holfresh wrote:crzymdups wrote:I don't think what Novak said and what Melo said are the same at all.For one thing, Novak was asked about Melo's comment and he was clearly trying to clarify Melo's remarks. Melo was asked if he thought the Knicks would keep Lin and he popped off about the "ridiculous contract".
Pretty sure Novak wouldn't have used the word ridiculous if the reporter hadn't asked him if he thought Lin's contract was ridiculous.
He did so in a nice way that says while the structure is ridiculous, the money isn't because Lin is valuable.
I don't think you can equate what Novak said to what Melo said at all.
The fact that this is even a talking point for the Knicks GOP is kinda sad.
The ridiculousness of the contract rendered the Knicks unable to match the contract ..Melo should not be able to say it tho..Novak is ok, we like him...
Papabear Says
What happened to freedom of speach?? All you Melo haters want Melo to just shut up his mouth and just don't say a word. But then you would have something negative to say about that. Melo can't win. Thats why no one really wants to come to the New York Knicks Not Ray Allen, Hill, Nash, LeBron, Bosh, Odoms, no one.
crzymdups wrote:I don't think what Novak said and what Melo said are the same at all.For one thing, Novak was asked about Melo's comment and he was clearly trying to clarify Melo's remarks. Melo was asked if he thought the Knicks would keep Lin and he popped off about the "ridiculous contract".
Pretty sure Novak wouldn't have used the word ridiculous if the reporter hadn't asked him if he thought Lin's contract was ridiculous.
He did so in a nice way that says while the structure is ridiculous, the money isn't because Lin is valuable.
I don't think you can equate what Novak said to what Melo said at all.
The fact that this is even a talking point for the Knicks GOP is kinda sad.
I disagree, Novak should not be talking about Lin's contract anymore than Melo. Let's not try to rationalize this. It doesn't matter what you said or what the context was - it's just wrong and you as a professional are not supposed to do it. Again people get fired because of this - it's a breach of professional conduct and etiquette.
But Knicks GOP is too funny - 
“The key to being a good manager is keeping the people who hate me away from those who are still undecided.” ...
- NY Yankees Manager, Casey Stengel
If there is a significant amount of discussion generated among players (responding to mandatory press questions) about a contract, can that be a positive... a negative... or simply fuel dissent?
Just for kicks and giggles - place Carmelo, JR Smith and Steve Novak in the "ridiculous contract" crew. That's one quarter of the active roster.
Is what the other eight guys feel important to team chemistry?
misterearl wrote:... is low class. You don't discuss stuff like that in any form of life. Who is Carmelo Anthony to dictate who should or who should not get paid? - Briggs“(Lin's contract) is kind of ridiculous in terms of the structure. I don’t think in terms of Jeremy’s value that it’s ridiculous. I think everybody knows that. He’s very valuable"
- Steve Novak
Briggs - "yellowboy--you simply do not discuss what other people make--whatever it is contract structure yearly pay--whatever it is--you dont do it"
Just some Saturday morning pastries. The Carmelo question generated 5 pages of posts and plenty of fierce opinion. Does the same rhetoric apply to one of the favorites of the Garden faithful, Steve Novak?
And the reason for starting the same exact topic two days in a row is...?
Papabear wrote:holfresh wrote:crzymdups wrote:I don't think what Novak said and what Melo said are the same at all.For one thing, Novak was asked about Melo's comment and he was clearly trying to clarify Melo's remarks. Melo was asked if he thought the Knicks would keep Lin and he popped off about the "ridiculous contract".
Pretty sure Novak wouldn't have used the word ridiculous if the reporter hadn't asked him if he thought Lin's contract was ridiculous.
He did so in a nice way that says while the structure is ridiculous, the money isn't because Lin is valuable.
I don't think you can equate what Novak said to what Melo said at all.
The fact that this is even a talking point for the Knicks GOP is kinda sad.
The ridiculousness of the contract rendered the Knicks unable to match the contract ..Melo should not be able to say it tho..Novak is ok, we like him...
Papabear Says
What happened to freedom of speach?? All you Melo haters want Melo to just shut up his mouth and just don't say a word. But then you would have something negative to say about that. Melo can't win. Thats why no one really wants to come to the New York Knicks Not Ray Allen, Hill, Nash, LeBron, Bosh, Odoms, no one.
Sarcasm my man...First time I have been called a Melo hater tho....
misterearl wrote:“The key to being a good manager is keeping the people who hate me away from those who are still undecided.” ...- NY Yankees Manager, Casey Stengel
If there is a significant amount of discussion generated among players (responding to mandatory press questions) about a contract, can that be a positive... a negative... or simply fuel dissent?
Just for kicks and giggles - place Carmelo, JR Smith and Steve Novak in the "ridiculous contract" crew. That's one quarter of the active roster.
Is what the other eight guys feel important to team chemistry?
In the NBA, where salaries are made available to the public, you will always come across this problem.
Jeremy Lin is not the 1st player to have their contract scrutinized by fellow players and he will not be the last. This attention to what the players are saying about his contract is also a part of the Linsanity media wave.
The eight other guys also think that the contract is ridiculous in its structure, because it is!
It's structure is what caused the Knicks to not match (although other reasons could also be in play).
holfresh wrote:Papabear wrote:holfresh wrote:crzymdups wrote:I don't think what Novak said and what Melo said are the same at all.For one thing, Novak was asked about Melo's comment and he was clearly trying to clarify Melo's remarks. Melo was asked if he thought the Knicks would keep Lin and he popped off about the "ridiculous contract".
Pretty sure Novak wouldn't have used the word ridiculous if the reporter hadn't asked him if he thought Lin's contract was ridiculous.
He did so in a nice way that says while the structure is ridiculous, the money isn't because Lin is valuable.
I don't think you can equate what Novak said to what Melo said at all.
The fact that this is even a talking point for the Knicks GOP is kinda sad.
The ridiculousness of the contract rendered the Knicks unable to match the contract ..Melo should not be able to say it tho..Novak is ok, we like him...
Papabear Says
What happened to freedom of speach?? All you Melo haters want Melo to just shut up his mouth and just don't say a word. But then you would have something negative to say about that. Melo can't win. Thats why no one really wants to come to the New York Knicks Not Ray Allen, Hill, Nash, LeBron, Bosh, Odoms, no one.
Sarcasm my man...First time I have been called a Melo hater tho....
Haha ya you would never say anything critical about melo
My understanding is Novak fits in with melo's idea of family do he can say what he wants.
MUS: "Reasons" - Earth, Wind and Fire
TymeLessKnicks wrote:
In the NBA, where salaries are made available to the public, you will always come across this problem.Jeremy Lin is not the 1st player to have their contract scrutinized by fellow players and he will not be the last. This attention to what the players are saying about his contract is also a part of the Linsanity media wave.
The eight other guys also think that the contract is ridiculous in its structure, because it is!
It's structure is what caused the Knicks to not match (although other reasons could also be in play).
TymeLessKnicks - you are hitting on some key points that stimulate discussion. While Dolan may have indeed felt betrayed by the re-negotiation of the offer sheet by Lin/ Williams & Connally, there could have been discussion among Grunwald and Woodson regarding the player reaction and how the extra attention and "ridiculous" contract could become the ultimate three year distraction.
Then again, distractions are what make New York special.
"Dese guys don't do nuttin' da easy way"
Time to change Novak to 'Star Novak'
Steve Novak is being very diplomatic here.
Just Curious
BasketballJones wrote:Steve Novak is being very diplomatic here.
Is Novak being (Briggs quoted) "low class"?
misterearl wrote:Just CuriousBasketballJones wrote:Steve Novak is being very diplomatic here.
Is Novak being (Briggs quoted) "low class"?
No. I didn't think Carmelo was either, but that depends on one's viewpoint of Carmelo. There are many people who are inclined to present/view his every action and statement in the worst possible light.
BasketballJones wrote:misterearl wrote:Just CuriousBasketballJones wrote:Steve Novak is being very diplomatic here.
Is Novak being (Briggs quoted) "low class"?
No. I didn't think Carmelo was either, but that depends on one's viewpoint of Carmelo. There are many people who are inclined to present/view his every action and statement in the worst possible light.
from my view, he is the focal point cuz of the contract he has and what many think he has the ability to do on the court. same for amare, these two are paid well to win. win and most of this stuff quiets down.
