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The poison pill contract is a double edged sword. If Lin is not what was perceived he was, Rockets aren't going to be able to trade him easily.

That was sad last night. I feel bad for the guy.

TheloniusMonk wrote:That was sad last night. I feel bad for the guy.

i AM A Huge fan of lin and one who still believes he is going to be a very fine player.. but that airball last night was the most unprofessional shot attempt I have seen in 20 years, considering the situation.. wide open, feet set, crunch time and a complete duck was thrown at the basket.. ugly and abysmal in every way.. I almost lost sleep over that last night.. No way should any professional athlete produce such a bad shot given they are wide open.. I would expect that shot from my wife who has never shot a basketball from that far in her life!

Get it together lin!!

TheloniusMonk wrote:That was sad last night. I feel bad for the guy.

Bonn1997 wrote:

NUPE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NUPE wrote:Have not bothered to post the last couple of game stats. Lin's season average is as follows:

11.9 ppg, 4.6 rebounds, 6.4 assists, 2.4 steals, 37% FG%, 30% 3%, .4 blocks and 2.6 TO.

Simply put, imo, he has sucked so far and I don't believe it has anything to do with an injury or ailments. He is under-performing.

Other than low FG%, those #s are solid - outstanding in the case of rebounds, steals, and FT% (19 for 21). Your agenda is obvious.

He has sucked. That is that. 11.9 points is just far below expectations. His FG% is atrocious and unacceptable. 6 assists per game is nothing special. The only good thing he has done is get steals. This is a guy that people thought was going to get 20 and 10 or in that vicinity. He has not even remotely began to sniff that and most likely won't. These numbers don't even approach Lin-sanity output. They are not even close. These current numbers don't even begin to make all the whining about the "Gift" look reasonable or justified. Lin has been downright awful and even the fans in Houston are furious. Yes, HOU fans appear to being openly disgusted with this "Gift". You can call a turd roses if you like but I won't choose to engage in such utter sugar-coating and shenanigans.

If and when Lin plays well I will freely admit it. I think he has had one good game as a Rocket and all other games have been average to terrible.

You're arbitrarily selecting one or two stats and ignoring the bigger picture. You're not gonna be able to combine all the stats and give them the appropriate weights. You're clearly giving too much weight to FG%. He's taking 10.7 shots a game and making .373. If he was shooting .420 instead, that's gonna correspond to 0.47 more shots made per game (or one more shot every 2 to 3 games). That's more than outweighed by the fact that he's getting 2 more rebounds and 1.5 more steals a game than he should be. Per every 2 games, he's making about 1 less shot and giving about 4 more rebounds and 3 more steals than you'd expect. I suggest just looking at his win shares or wins produced, which will give the appropriate weighting to each stat for you.

bonn don't waste your time.. lin is not shooting well but he is playing better in almost every other area....I do think mchale is going to have to put the ball in his hands more and let harden play more off the ball. Most Houston rocket fans are calling for this, if you ever get to read their board....on clutchfans....

Airball and all,I still take him over one arm swinging while dribbling, playing drunk felton..

Panos wrote:The poison pill contract is a double edged sword. If Lin is not what was perceived he was, Rockets aren't going to be able to trade him easily.

The poison pill contract where the salary escalates signifigantly in the final couple of years would only be in affect for the Knicks had they matched. The contract that the Rockets have with Lin is about $8M per year for 4 years. It's up there but not as toxic as people are making it out to be. At those numbers I'd say Lin needs to be an above average started, but the expectation that he needs to be an all-star are a bit out of whack.

Andrew wrote:

Panos wrote:The poison pill contract is a double edged sword. If Lin is not what was perceived he was, Rockets aren't going to be able to trade him easily.

The poison pill contract where the salary escalates sinifigantly in the final couple of years would only be in affect for the Knicks had they matched. The contract that the Rockets have with Lin is about $8M per year for 4 years. It's up there but not as toxic as people are making it out to be. At those numbers I'd say Lin needs to be an above average started, but the expectation that he needs to be an all-star are a bit out of whack.

3 years, $8 mil per

Bonn1997 wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Panos wrote:The poison pill contract is a double edged sword. If Lin is not what was perceived he was, Rockets aren't going to be able to trade him easily.

The poison pill contract where the salary escalates sinifigantly in the final couple of years would only be in affect for the Knicks had they matched. The contract that the Rockets have with Lin is about $8M per year for 4 years. It's up there but not as toxic as people are making it out to be. At those numbers I'd say Lin needs to be an above average started, but the expectation that he needs to be an all-star are a bit out of whack.

3 years, $8 mil per

Yes, 3 years.

Ouch, that airball was embarrassing- I only watched a bit of the game, but from what I saw he seems to have lost a bit of confidence since he played for us, also it doesn't help that the Rockets game plan seems to require him to give up the ball early and not get it back. When Lin killed for us, it wasn't when he was play making, it was when he started attacking the basket and looking for his own shot, he seemed to score at will.

Just out of curiosity, what do Rocket fans think of Lin- are they pleased/disappointed/angry?

Panos wrote:The poison pill contract is a double edged sword. If Lin is not what was perceived he was, Rockets aren't going to be able to trade him easily.

If he doesn't pan out, then in the final year, he will be a great salary dump and a very nice trade chip.

Plus, Dolan shouldn't have let him walk. If he was pissed, trade him for a draft pick. Getting nothing in return for one of the biggest stories of last year was just bad business.

smackeddog wrote:Ouch, that airball was embarrassing- I only watched a bit of the game, but from what I saw he seems to have lost a bit of confidence since he played for us, also it doesn't help that the Rockets game plan seems to require him to give up the ball early and not get it back. When Lin killed for us, it wasn't when he was play making, it was when he started attacking the basket and looking for his own shot, he seemed to score at will.

Just out of curiosity, what do Rocket fans think of Lin- are they pleased/disappointed/angry?

actually most are fine and like the kid, they feel that harden needs to play more off the ball.. some of them are a bit pissed at harden lately, but those fans are as passionate and crazy as we are..

smackeddog wrote:Ouch, that airball was embarrassing- I only watched a bit of the game, but from what I saw he seems to have lost a bit of confidence since he played for us, also it doesn't help that the Rockets game plan seems to require him to give up the ball early and not get it back. When Lin killed for us, it wasn't when he was play making, it was when he started attacking the basket and looking for his own shot, he seemed to score at will.

Just out of curiosity, what do Rocket fans think of Lin- are they pleased/disappointed/angry?

I would say about 75% pleased and 25% pissed. The pissed ones post a lot though but a lot of them you can see that it more than just basketball. The hatred you can see comes from the color of his skin.

A lot of the posters hate McHale's coaching. A lot of them want to put the ball on Lin's hand and Harden to play off the ball like what tkf has mentioned in another thread.

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Ouch, that airball was embarrassing- I only watched a bit of the game, but from what I saw he seems to have lost a bit of confidence since he played for us, also it doesn't help that the Rockets game plan seems to require him to give up the ball early and not get it back. When Lin killed for us, it wasn't when he was play making, it was when he started attacking the basket and looking for his own shot, he seemed to score at will.

Just out of curiosity, what do Rocket fans think of Lin- are they pleased/disappointed/angry?

actually most are fine and like the kid, they feel that harden needs to play more off the ball.. some of them are a bit pissed at harden lately, but those fans are as passionate and crazy as we are..

Absolutely, they flip flop on issues like you wouldn't believe.

Funny thing is, I had a feeling Lin was going to miss that shot badly. His shots from that spot was nowhere close to going in earlier in the game.

tkf wrote:

bonn don't waste your time.. lin is not shooting well but he is playing better in almost every other area....I do think mchale is going to have to put the ball in his hands more and let harden play more off the ball. Most Houston rocket fans are calling for this, if you ever get to read their board....on clutchfans....

Airball and all,I still take him over one arm swinging while dribbling, playing drunk felton..

Yea, the inferior ball handler should handle the ball more. Go figure. LoL!

As for his stats being better; that is odd! Better compared to what? They are down from last season when he started for the Knicks. His stats are below people's expectations coming into this season. Well below. The only thing improved is his TO and I am going to attribute that to Harden handling the ball a lot more than Lin.

NUPE wrote:

tkf wrote:

bonn don't waste your time.. lin is not shooting well but he is playing better in almost every other area....I do think mchale is going to have to put the ball in his hands more and let harden play more off the ball. Most Houston rocket fans are calling for this, if you ever get to read their board....on clutchfans....

Airball and all,I still take him over one arm swinging while dribbling, playing drunk felton..

Yea, the inferior ball handler should handle the ball more. Go figure. LoL!

As for his stats being better; that is odd! Better compared to what? They are down from last season when he started for the Knicks. His stats are below people's expectations coming into this season. Well below. The only thing improved is his TO and I am going to attribute that to Harden handling the ball a lot more than Lin.

no, but it puts the superior scorer in a better position to make plays... lin is a good playmaker from the pg SPOT..

YOU ARE not making any sense here...it is about giving the team what they need, they need harden handling the ball less and expending a lot of energy....

this has nothing to do with people's expectations of lin and stats.. why are you flying off on things that have nothing to do what we are talking about...

NYKBocker wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Ouch, that airball was embarrassing- I only watched a bit of the game, but from what I saw he seems to have lost a bit of confidence since he played for us, also it doesn't help that the Rockets game plan seems to require him to give up the ball early and not get it back. When Lin killed for us, it wasn't when he was play making, it was when he started attacking the basket and looking for his own shot, he seemed to score at will.

Just out of curiosity, what do Rocket fans think of Lin- are they pleased/disappointed/angry?

I would say about 75% pleased and 25% pissed. The pissed ones post a lot though but a lot of them you can see that it more than just basketball. The hatred you can see comes from the color of his skin.

A lot of the posters hate McHale's coaching. A lot of them want to put the ball on Lin's hand and Harden to play off the ball like what tkf has mentioned in another thread.

yea, they like lin's playmaking ability and want to see him in more pick and rolls.. harden is handling the ball way too much and it is not helping him be as efficient as we know he can be.

Fans know better.

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Ouch, that airball was embarrassing- I only watched a bit of the game, but from what I saw he seems to have lost a bit of confidence since he played for us, also it doesn't help that the Rockets game plan seems to require him to give up the ball early and not get it back. When Lin killed for us, it wasn't when he was play making, it was when he started attacking the basket and looking for his own shot, he seemed to score at will.

Just out of curiosity, what do Rocket fans think of Lin- are they pleased/disappointed/angry?

I would say about 75% pleased and 25% pissed. The pissed ones post a lot though but a lot of them you can see that it more than just basketball. The hatred you can see comes from the color of his skin.

A lot of the posters hate McHale's coaching. A lot of them want to put the ball on Lin's hand and Harden to play off the ball like what tkf has mentioned in another thread.

yea, they like lin's playmaking ability and want to see him in more pick and rolls.. harden is handling the ball way too much and it is not helping him be as efficient as we know he can be.

odd I thought he was a better pg than Westbrook and the ball needed to be in his hands in OKC. The question is can Lin only be "Linsane" in a MDA offense? Under Woody I believe it was near the same production (lower usage average to below avg shooting but good in other categories) for Lin. I do think its way to early and Harden just got there so everyone needs time to gel. Lin is young so may be able to adapt.

smackeddog wrote:Ouch, that airball was embarrassing- I only watched a bit of the game, but from what I saw he seems to have lost a bit of confidence since he played for us, also it doesn't help that the Rockets game plan seems to require him to give up the ball early and not get it back. When Lin killed for us, it wasn't when he was play making, it was when he started attacking the basket and looking for his own shot, he seemed to score at will.

Just out of curiosity, what do Rocket fans think of Lin- are they pleased/disappointed/angry?

Oh, they hate Lin. Right now, they're just tolerating him but come December, they're going to BOO him and want him out of Rockets if Linsanity doesn't return. They're still talking and dreaming about Dragic/Lowry and following those two around the league. The airball really brought the house down on him. He's going through high's and low's. This is only good for his underdog story.

Rocket fans feel Lin is an inferior player to Dragic/Lowry. It isn't Lin's fault that Linsanity hasn't surfaced. At least not when Harden is acting like the team's PG. I believe, truly believe, if anyone wants to see Linsanity return, ship him out to the new Showtime Lakers.

You'll see some beautiful basketball being played out there in Tinsel town instead of the boring "Pass to Harden and run off to the corner and park" strategy that Sampson has employed on him.

Read The Answer Man's Lips

Syniko wrote:
It isn't Lin's fault that Linsanity hasn't surfaced. At least not when Harden is acting like the team's PG. I believe, truly believe, if anyone wants to see Linsanity return, ship him out to the new Showtime Lakers.

You'll see some beautiful basketball being played out there in Tinsel town instead of the boring "Pass to Harden and run off to the corner and park" strategy that Sampson has employed on him.

Linsanity can only happen once. He struck like lightning. Then it was over. Poof.

Linsanity can only happen in New York. Broadway gave extra life to the excitement and the New York press loved writing the headlines. Linsanity cannot happen in Houston, Los Angeles, Capetown or Rio deJaneiro. Linsanity cannot happen in London and it absolutely cannot happen in Houston.

Linsanity was a neon bright, 25 game, moment that came and went. jeremy Lin may become an all star ahead of Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Tony Parker and Steve Nash... but you can hear The Answer Man now and believe him later...

Linsanity ain't coming back. Ever.

RIP.