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NYKBocker wrote:NYKMentality wrote:Mray20 wrote:Jeremly Lin 5 points on 2-9 shooting with 10 assists Rockets lose...Yea, yet another awful game from Lin tonight. Being exposed as an overrated player. Pretty sure that Houston would have rather went with a backcout of Goran Dragic and James Harden when compared to featuring Lin. Dragic is currently averaging 16.3 points, 7.3 assists along with 2.0 steals per game. Also has a FG% of .474. Lin has averaged 9.3 points, 7 assistsm 2.2 steals with a shooting percentage of only .343%. I don't believe this is a fluke either, Goran has made a name for himself as an up and coming PG. Lin? Only a sample size during Linsanity. Which lasted only 26 games. Now? We're all seeing the other side of Lin. The Lin who lacks experience. The Lin who's looking like a flash in the pan and/or one hit wonder. Linsanity will never be such. That's something that only happenes in New York City.
Hopefully soon, most of these die hard Lin supporters of the offseason will start to understand that we're much better off with a veteran in Felton running our team. A more much prodcutive Felton for more than half the contract of Lin. We're a win now type of team. Lin and his growing pains doesn't belong here. You can't put too much stock into a +/- differential, but when Lin only scores 5 points off 2/9 shooting it's no shocker on why his +/- differential was -20 tonight. He's killing/hurting his team with this type of shooting he's shown. 10 assists or not, if Melo or J.R Smith were to go 2/9 (on a nighly basis) with only 5 points? Theese same Lin supporters would attack their game(s) 24/7.
Did you watch the game? I did. Watched the Laker telecast. Lin basically could get to the rim at will even with Dwight in the middle. He should have had 20 assists in that game. Asik missed about 4-5 layups from Lin passes. Patterson missed about 2-3 open mid range shots. Morris missed a couple of open shots. Lin setup Harden a couple of times for layups and was whacked so he goes to the line. Parsons missed open 3 point shots. Also, Sampson had Lin doubling down on Gasol and Dwight which opened shots for the guard who was on Lin. This took Lin out of rebounding position. The Laker announcers mentioned that they were having trouble getting Lin out of the lane. In the 4th quarter, Kobe switched to cover Lin instead of Harden. Lin still could not hit a perimeter shot but everything else about his game was great. The Laker announcers even mentioned that it was better for the Lakers when Harden ran the point and was just jacking up shots. They said Houston offense looked much better with Lin, and it did. Artest even went old school on Lin and smacked him in the face. Kobe got pissed at Lin and gave him the death stare which the announcers said Lin just got the famous death stare. There was one play that Lin leads Morris for a Fields type dunk in transition and Morris just stopped running. The announcers mentioned Morris giving up on the play.
The +/- differential is skewed in this game. Everybody had a bad +/- numbers for the Rockets.
yea, I don't think most are watching the games.. I think lin, once he starts knocking down shots will be fine, he is getting in the lane a lot, and is making all of the right passes... when you look at his stats, other than a poor shooting % 10/7/4 is not bad at all.. I keep hearing they wish they had kept dragic.. well lets look at dragic numbers while in houston.. 11/5/2 boards... the only area he was superior in was shooting % at 46%.. again, not sure what people are looking at, but so far lin is a better passer, rebounder and equal scorer when dragic was here.. now of course with the suns, dragic is getting to shoot more.... The lin hate continues, and it is sad because he is really a good guy, and the rockets backcourt is set for years...
NYKMentality wrote:Mray20 wrote:Jeremly Lin 5 points on 2-9 shooting with 10 assists Rockets lose...Yea, yet another awful game from Lin tonight. Being exposed as an overrated player. Pretty sure that Houston would have rather went with a backcout of Goran Dragic and James Harden when compared to featuring Lin. Dragic is currently averaging 16.3 points, 7.3 assists along with 2.0 steals per game. Also has a FG% of .474. Lin has averaged 9.3 points, 7 assistsm 2.2 steals with a shooting percentage of only .343%. I don't believe this is a fluke either, Goran has made a name for himself as an up and coming PG. Lin? Only a sample size during Linsanity. Which lasted only 26 games. Now? We're all seeing the other side of Lin. The Lin who lacks experience. The Lin who's looking like a flash in the pan and/or one hit wonder. Linsanity will never be such. That's something that only happenes in New York City.
Hopefully soon, most of these die hard Lin supporters of the offseason will start to understand that we're much better off with a veteran in Felton running our team. A more much prodcutive Felton for more than half the contract of Lin. We're a win now type of team. Lin and his growing pains doesn't belong here. You can't put too much stock into a +/- differential, but when Lin only scores 5 points off 2/9 shooting it's no shocker on why his +/- differential was -20 tonight. He's killing/hurting his team with this type of shooting he's shown. 10 assists or not, if Melo or J.R Smith were to go 2/9 (on a nighly basis) with only 5 points? Theese same Lin supporters would attack their game(s) 24/7.
let me ask, do you think that felton is a championship caliber starting PG? I mean that is our goal right? yOU HAVE TO look long term, unless you think the knicks window is small like I do.. if not, then lets see if you still feel this way about felton a year or two down the road... time flies when you are having fun you know..
tkf wrote:Look Im a lin fan but the knicks made the right move. Lin still has a lot of flaws in his game and the knciks are a win now team. felton/kidd is a good backcourt to have in the playoffsNYKMentality wrote:Mray20 wrote:Jeremly Lin 5 points on 2-9 shooting with 10 assists Rockets lose...Yea, yet another awful game from Lin tonight. Being exposed as an overrated player. Pretty sure that Houston would have rather went with a backcout of Goran Dragic and James Harden when compared to featuring Lin. Dragic is currently averaging 16.3 points, 7.3 assists along with 2.0 steals per game. Also has a FG% of .474. Lin has averaged 9.3 points, 7 assistsm 2.2 steals with a shooting percentage of only .343%. I don't believe this is a fluke either, Goran has made a name for himself as an up and coming PG. Lin? Only a sample size during Linsanity. Which lasted only 26 games. Now? We're all seeing the other side of Lin. The Lin who lacks experience. The Lin who's looking like a flash in the pan and/or one hit wonder. Linsanity will never be such. That's something that only happenes in New York City.
Hopefully soon, most of these die hard Lin supporters of the offseason will start to understand that we're much better off with a veteran in Felton running our team. A more much prodcutive Felton for more than half the contract of Lin. We're a win now type of team. Lin and his growing pains doesn't belong here. You can't put too much stock into a +/- differential, but when Lin only scores 5 points off 2/9 shooting it's no shocker on why his +/- differential was -20 tonight. He's killing/hurting his team with this type of shooting he's shown. 10 assists or not, if Melo or J.R Smith were to go 2/9 (on a nighly basis) with only 5 points? Theese same Lin supporters would attack their game(s) 24/7.
let me ask, do you think that felton is a championship caliber starting PG? I mean that is our goal right? yOU HAVE TO look long term, unless you think the knicks window is small like I do.. if not, then lets see if you still feel this way about felton a year or two down the road... time flies when you are having fun you know..
tkf wrote:NYKBocker wrote:NYKMentality wrote:Mray20 wrote:Jeremly Lin 5 points on 2-9 shooting with 10 assists Rockets lose...Yea, yet another awful game from Lin tonight. Being exposed as an overrated player. Pretty sure that Houston would have rather went with a backcout of Goran Dragic and James Harden when compared to featuring Lin. Dragic is currently averaging 16.3 points, 7.3 assists along with 2.0 steals per game. Also has a FG% of .474. Lin has averaged 9.3 points, 7 assistsm 2.2 steals with a shooting percentage of only .343%. I don't believe this is a fluke either, Goran has made a name for himself as an up and coming PG. Lin? Only a sample size during Linsanity. Which lasted only 26 games. Now? We're all seeing the other side of Lin. The Lin who lacks experience. The Lin who's looking like a flash in the pan and/or one hit wonder. Linsanity will never be such. That's something that only happenes in New York City.
Hopefully soon, most of these die hard Lin supporters of the offseason will start to understand that we're much better off with a veteran in Felton running our team. A more much prodcutive Felton for more than half the contract of Lin. We're a win now type of team. Lin and his growing pains doesn't belong here. You can't put too much stock into a +/- differential, but when Lin only scores 5 points off 2/9 shooting it's no shocker on why his +/- differential was -20 tonight. He's killing/hurting his team with this type of shooting he's shown. 10 assists or not, if Melo or J.R Smith were to go 2/9 (on a nighly basis) with only 5 points? Theese same Lin supporters would attack their game(s) 24/7.
Did you watch the game? I did. Watched the Laker telecast. Lin basically could get to the rim at will even with Dwight in the middle. He should have had 20 assists in that game. Asik missed about 4-5 layups from Lin passes. Patterson missed about 2-3 open mid range shots. Morris missed a couple of open shots. Lin setup Harden a couple of times for layups and was whacked so he goes to the line. Parsons missed open 3 point shots. Also, Sampson had Lin doubling down on Gasol and Dwight which opened shots for the guard who was on Lin. This took Lin out of rebounding position. The Laker announcers mentioned that they were having trouble getting Lin out of the lane. In the 4th quarter, Kobe switched to cover Lin instead of Harden. Lin still could not hit a perimeter shot but everything else about his game was great. The Laker announcers even mentioned that it was better for the Lakers when Harden ran the point and was just jacking up shots. They said Houston offense looked much better with Lin, and it did. Artest even went old school on Lin and smacked him in the face. Kobe got pissed at Lin and gave him the death stare which the announcers said Lin just got the famous death stare. There was one play that Lin leads Morris for a Fields type dunk in transition and Morris just stopped running. The announcers mentioned Morris giving up on the play.
The +/- differential is skewed in this game. Everybody had a bad +/- numbers for the Rockets.
yea, I don't think most are watching the games.. I think lin, once he starts knocking down shots will be fine, he is getting in the lane a lot, and is making all of the right passes... when you look at his stats, other than a poor shooting % 10/7/4 is not bad at all.. I keep hearing they wish they had kept dragic.. well lets look at dragic numbers while in houston.. 11/5/2 boards... the only area he was superior in was shooting % at 46%.. again, not sure what people are looking at, but so far lin is a better passer, rebounder and equal scorer when dragic was here.. now of course with the suns, dragic is getting to shoot more.... The lin hate continues, and it is sad because he is really a good guy, and the rockets backcourt is set for years...
You are not giving the full story on Dragic. Last year, he only started 28 of 66 games and he only averaged 26 mins per. If you advance his stats to per 36, it would be 16 and 7. To be fair, he is out performing Lin this year and last. Lin had the incredible 10 game run but overall, Dragic put up better numbers.
IrishKnickFan wrote:tkf wrote:Look Im a lin fan but the knicks made the right move. Lin still has a lot of flaws in his game and the knciks are a win now team. felton/kidd is a good backcourt to have in the playoffsNYKMentality wrote:Mray20 wrote:Jeremly Lin 5 points on 2-9 shooting with 10 assists Rockets lose...Yea, yet another awful game from Lin tonight. Being exposed as an overrated player. Pretty sure that Houston would have rather went with a backcout of Goran Dragic and James Harden when compared to featuring Lin. Dragic is currently averaging 16.3 points, 7.3 assists along with 2.0 steals per game. Also has a FG% of .474. Lin has averaged 9.3 points, 7 assistsm 2.2 steals with a shooting percentage of only .343%. I don't believe this is a fluke either, Goran has made a name for himself as an up and coming PG. Lin? Only a sample size during Linsanity. Which lasted only 26 games. Now? We're all seeing the other side of Lin. The Lin who lacks experience. The Lin who's looking like a flash in the pan and/or one hit wonder. Linsanity will never be such. That's something that only happenes in New York City.
Hopefully soon, most of these die hard Lin supporters of the offseason will start to understand that we're much better off with a veteran in Felton running our team. A more much prodcutive Felton for more than half the contract of Lin. We're a win now type of team. Lin and his growing pains doesn't belong here. You can't put too much stock into a +/- differential, but when Lin only scores 5 points off 2/9 shooting it's no shocker on why his +/- differential was -20 tonight. He's killing/hurting his team with this type of shooting he's shown. 10 assists or not, if Melo or J.R Smith were to go 2/9 (on a nighly basis) with only 5 points? Theese same Lin supporters would attack their game(s) 24/7.
let me ask, do you think that felton is a championship caliber starting PG? I mean that is our goal right? yOU HAVE TO look long term, unless you think the knicks window is small like I do.. if not, then lets see if you still feel this way about felton a year or two down the road... time flies when you are having fun you know..
that remains to be seen, I am looking beyond the first 8 games, or even the first 20... you have to look at what players did when they were a knick... I can't say the knicks made the right move.. but I guess we are looking at things differently.. we both agree the knicks are in win now mode.. I just don't think felton makes us any more of a championship team than lin.. and to keep that window open as long as possible, I liked lin long term...
Uptown wrote:tkf wrote:NYKBocker wrote:NYKMentality wrote:Mray20 wrote:Jeremly Lin 5 points on 2-9 shooting with 10 assists Rockets lose...Yea, yet another awful game from Lin tonight. Being exposed as an overrated player. Pretty sure that Houston would have rather went with a backcout of Goran Dragic and James Harden when compared to featuring Lin. Dragic is currently averaging 16.3 points, 7.3 assists along with 2.0 steals per game. Also has a FG% of .474. Lin has averaged 9.3 points, 7 assistsm 2.2 steals with a shooting percentage of only .343%. I don't believe this is a fluke either, Goran has made a name for himself as an up and coming PG. Lin? Only a sample size during Linsanity. Which lasted only 26 games. Now? We're all seeing the other side of Lin. The Lin who lacks experience. The Lin who's looking like a flash in the pan and/or one hit wonder. Linsanity will never be such. That's something that only happenes in New York City.
Hopefully soon, most of these die hard Lin supporters of the offseason will start to understand that we're much better off with a veteran in Felton running our team. A more much prodcutive Felton for more than half the contract of Lin. We're a win now type of team. Lin and his growing pains doesn't belong here. You can't put too much stock into a +/- differential, but when Lin only scores 5 points off 2/9 shooting it's no shocker on why his +/- differential was -20 tonight. He's killing/hurting his team with this type of shooting he's shown. 10 assists or not, if Melo or J.R Smith were to go 2/9 (on a nighly basis) with only 5 points? Theese same Lin supporters would attack their game(s) 24/7.
Did you watch the game? I did. Watched the Laker telecast. Lin basically could get to the rim at will even with Dwight in the middle. He should have had 20 assists in that game. Asik missed about 4-5 layups from Lin passes. Patterson missed about 2-3 open mid range shots. Morris missed a couple of open shots. Lin setup Harden a couple of times for layups and was whacked so he goes to the line. Parsons missed open 3 point shots. Also, Sampson had Lin doubling down on Gasol and Dwight which opened shots for the guard who was on Lin. This took Lin out of rebounding position. The Laker announcers mentioned that they were having trouble getting Lin out of the lane. In the 4th quarter, Kobe switched to cover Lin instead of Harden. Lin still could not hit a perimeter shot but everything else about his game was great. The Laker announcers even mentioned that it was better for the Lakers when Harden ran the point and was just jacking up shots. They said Houston offense looked much better with Lin, and it did. Artest even went old school on Lin and smacked him in the face. Kobe got pissed at Lin and gave him the death stare which the announcers said Lin just got the famous death stare. There was one play that Lin leads Morris for a Fields type dunk in transition and Morris just stopped running. The announcers mentioned Morris giving up on the play.
The +/- differential is skewed in this game. Everybody had a bad +/- numbers for the Rockets.
yea, I don't think most are watching the games.. I think lin, once he starts knocking down shots will be fine, he is getting in the lane a lot, and is making all of the right passes... when you look at his stats, other than a poor shooting % 10/7/4 is not bad at all.. I keep hearing they wish they had kept dragic.. well lets look at dragic numbers while in houston.. 11/5/2 boards... the only area he was superior in was shooting % at 46%.. again, not sure what people are looking at, but so far lin is a better passer, rebounder and equal scorer when dragic was here.. now of course with the suns, dragic is getting to shoot more.... The lin hate continues, and it is sad because he is really a good guy, and the rockets backcourt is set for years...You are not giving the full story on Dragic. Last year, he only started 28 of 66 games and he only averaged 26 mins per. If you advance his stats to per 36, it would be 16 and 7. To be fair, he is out performing Lin this year and last. Lin had the incredible 10 game run but overall, Dragic put up better numbers.
well lin didn't start a full season either.. and lets be fair, dragic has been in the league longer if we judged dragic after 35 games like we are doing lin his numbers would not be close... right? advanced stats or not..
tkf wrote:NYKMentality wrote:Mray20 wrote:Jeremly Lin 5 points on 2-9 shooting with 10 assists Rockets lose...Yea, yet another awful game from Lin tonight. Being exposed as an overrated player. Pretty sure that Houston would have rather went with a backcout of Goran Dragic and James Harden when compared to featuring Lin. Dragic is currently averaging 16.3 points, 7.3 assists along with 2.0 steals per game. Also has a FG% of .474. Lin has averaged 9.3 points, 7 assistsm 2.2 steals with a shooting percentage of only .343%. I don't believe this is a fluke either, Goran has made a name for himself as an up and coming PG. Lin? Only a sample size during Linsanity. Which lasted only 26 games. Now? We're all seeing the other side of Lin. The Lin who lacks experience. The Lin who's looking like a flash in the pan and/or one hit wonder. Linsanity will never be such. That's something that only happenes in New York City.
Hopefully soon, most of these die hard Lin supporters of the offseason will start to understand that we're much better off with a veteran in Felton running our team. A more much prodcutive Felton for more than half the contract of Lin. We're a win now type of team. Lin and his growing pains doesn't belong here. You can't put too much stock into a +/- differential, but when Lin only scores 5 points off 2/9 shooting it's no shocker on why his +/- differential was -20 tonight. He's killing/hurting his team with this type of shooting he's shown. 10 assists or not, if Melo or J.R Smith were to go 2/9 (on a nighly basis) with only 5 points? Theese same Lin supporters would attack their game(s) 24/7.
let me ask, do you think that felton is a championship caliber starting PG? I mean that is our goal right? yOU HAVE TO look long term, unless you think the knicks window is small like I do.. if not, then lets see if you still feel this way about felton a year or two down the road... time flies when you are having fun you know..
WOW...Big step of acknowledgement...He went from begin fat to are u Championship worthy...
tkf wrote:I keep hearing they wish they had kept dragic.. well lets look at dragic numbers while in houston.. 11/5/2 boards... the only area he was superior in was shooting % at 46%.. again, not sure what people are looking at, but so far lin is a better passer, rebounder and equal scorer when dragic was here.. now of course with the suns, dragic is getting to shoot more....
Dragicsanity was 2 months of basket ball, think how large the bunches in your panties would be if Lin did his anity for 26 games versus 8.
holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:NYKMentality wrote:Mray20 wrote:Jeremly Lin 5 points on 2-9 shooting with 10 assists Rockets lose...Yea, yet another awful game from Lin tonight. Being exposed as an overrated player. Pretty sure that Houston would have rather went with a backcout of Goran Dragic and James Harden when compared to featuring Lin. Dragic is currently averaging 16.3 points, 7.3 assists along with 2.0 steals per game. Also has a FG% of .474. Lin has averaged 9.3 points, 7 assistsm 2.2 steals with a shooting percentage of only .343%. I don't believe this is a fluke either, Goran has made a name for himself as an up and coming PG. Lin? Only a sample size during Linsanity. Which lasted only 26 games. Now? We're all seeing the other side of Lin. The Lin who lacks experience. The Lin who's looking like a flash in the pan and/or one hit wonder. Linsanity will never be such. That's something that only happenes in New York City.
Hopefully soon, most of these die hard Lin supporters of the offseason will start to understand that we're much better off with a veteran in Felton running our team. A more much prodcutive Felton for more than half the contract of Lin. We're a win now type of team. Lin and his growing pains doesn't belong here. You can't put too much stock into a +/- differential, but when Lin only scores 5 points off 2/9 shooting it's no shocker on why his +/- differential was -20 tonight. He's killing/hurting his team with this type of shooting he's shown. 10 assists or not, if Melo or J.R Smith were to go 2/9 (on a nighly basis) with only 5 points? Theese same Lin supporters would attack their game(s) 24/7.
let me ask, do you think that felton is a championship caliber starting PG? I mean that is our goal right? yOU HAVE TO look long term, unless you think the knicks window is small like I do.. if not, then lets see if you still feel this way about felton a year or two down the road... time flies when you are having fun you know..WOW...Big step of acknowledgement...He went from begin fat to are u Championship worthy...
what am I acknowledging... I am trying to gauge where he feels felton is, on a bigger scale...
tkf wrote:that remains to be seen, I am looking beyond the first 8 games, or even the first 20... you have to look at what players did when they were a knick... I can't say the knicks made the right move.. but I guess we are looking at things differently.. we both agree the knicks are in win now mode.. I just don't think felton makes us any more of a championship team than lin.. and to keep that window open as long as possible, I liked lin long term...
So shouldnt the same point of view be applied to Felton? He played great as a Knick
TeamBall wrote:tkf wrote:that remains to be seen, I am looking beyond the first 8 games, or even the first 20... you have to look at what players did when they were a knick... I can't say the knicks made the right move.. but I guess we are looking at things differently.. we both agree the knicks are in win now mode.. I just don't think felton makes us any more of a championship team than lin.. and to keep that window open as long as possible, I liked lin long term...
So shouldnt the same point of view be applied to Felton? He played great as a Knick
No, he makes people forget about Lin, not a good thing...
TeamBall wrote:tkf wrote:that remains to be seen, I am looking beyond the first 8 games, or even the first 20... you have to look at what players did when they were a knick... I can't say the knicks made the right move.. but I guess we are looking at things differently.. we both agree the knicks are in win now mode.. I just don't think felton makes us any more of a championship team than lin.. and to keep that window open as long as possible, I liked lin long term...
So shouldnt the same point of view be applied to Felton? He played great as a Knick
he played very good as a knick under dantoni, but he was not a long term solution... which is why walsh gave him sort of a "try out" 2 year deal... but to run with your post doesn't that make the trade even worse considering that some felt ray was playing allstar level ball? right? and he and amare were developing some chemistry....
tkf wrote:NYKMentality wrote:Mray20 wrote:Jeremly Lin 5 points on 2-9 shooting with 10 assists Rockets lose...Yea, yet another awful game from Lin tonight. Being exposed as an overrated player. Pretty sure that Houston would have rather went with a backcout of Goran Dragic and James Harden when compared to featuring Lin. Dragic is currently averaging 16.3 points, 7.3 assists along with 2.0 steals per game. Also has a FG% of .474. Lin has averaged 9.3 points, 7 assistsm 2.2 steals with a shooting percentage of only .343%. I don't believe this is a fluke either, Goran has made a name for himself as an up and coming PG. Lin? Only a sample size during Linsanity. Which lasted only 26 games. Now? We're all seeing the other side of Lin. The Lin who lacks experience. The Lin who's looking like a flash in the pan and/or one hit wonder. Linsanity will never be such. That's something that only happenes in New York City.
Hopefully soon, most of these die hard Lin supporters of the offseason will start to understand that we're much better off with a veteran in Felton running our team. A more much prodcutive Felton for more than half the contract of Lin. We're a win now type of team. Lin and his growing pains doesn't belong here. You can't put too much stock into a +/- differential, but when Lin only scores 5 points off 2/9 shooting it's no shocker on why his +/- differential was -20 tonight. He's killing/hurting his team with this type of shooting he's shown. 10 assists or not, if Melo or J.R Smith were to go 2/9 (on a nighly basis) with only 5 points? Theese same Lin supporters would attack their game(s) 24/7.
let me ask, do you think that felton is a championship caliber starting PG? I mean that is our goal right? yOU HAVE TO look long term, unless you think the knicks window is small like I do.. if not, then lets see if you still feel this way about felton a year or two down the road... time flies when you are having fun you know..
Knicks made the finals with Charlie Ward and Chris Childs & Felton is much better than both of them
holfresh wrote:Come on guys...U are dying to get it out...And Gallo had a great game...
The nuggets played well..
