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One of the genius things about Morey acquiring Harden on any given night no matter who they play.....HE'S THE BEST PLAYER ON THE FLOOR, that's crazy when you actually think about it.

3G4G wrote:One of the genius things about Morey acquiring Harden on any given night no matter who they play.....HE'S THE BEST PLAYER ON THE FLOOR, that's crazy when you actually think about it.

I agree except for when they play Miami, OKC, and LA C. But he's pretty close to those teams' best players too.

3G4G wrote:One of the genius things about Morey acquiring Harden on any given night no matter who they play.....HE'S THE BEST PLAYER ON THE FLOOR, that's crazy when you actually think about it.

and he didn't have to sell the farm to get harden.... planning, and striking at the perfect time.... wow.

Bonn1997 wrote:

3G4G wrote:One of the genius things about Morey acquiring Harden on any given night no matter who they play.....HE'S THE BEST PLAYER ON THE FLOOR, that's crazy when you actually think about it.

I agree except for when they play Miami, OKC, and LA C. But he's pretty close to those teams' best players too.

Even when he plays those teams on some nights he proves to be the best player. It's not about who's automatically assumed/proven to be the best I'm referring to the results of the game

Like tonight Harden was clearly better than Kobe but would most fans say Harden is a better player than Kobe? Probably not

And this isn't like some henpecking situation this is the case over the course of more than a handful of games

Another great game from the Rockets. The Dynamic Duo at it again. The 7 TOs is something the Rockets are willing to take as long as Lin keeps the Rockets at a frenetic pace.

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Big #s for Lin: A lot of points, rbs, assists, steals, and turnovers!

Turnovers not hurting their record. Didn't hurt the Knicks record during Linsanity either

yea, he and harden combined for 11 turnovers, but they also get assist, and steals.. they are ranked 6th and 7th in the league in steals, they have the ball a lot and play at a high pace, they make a lot of plays... sometimes they will turn it over.. it doesn't seem to hurt them tho...

Absolutely. They are really fun to watch.

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:One of the genius things about Morey acquiring Harden on any given night no matter who they play.....HE'S THE BEST PLAYER ON THE FLOOR, that's crazy when you actually think about it.

and he didn't have to sell the farm to get harden.... planning, and striking at the perfect time.... wow.

lol, nice I see where you are going. As long as Harden and Lin orchestrate the offense they will have bulk of the TO but also create smart decisions for the team.

NYKBocker wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Big #s for Lin: A lot of points, rbs, assists, steals, and turnovers!

Turnovers not hurting their record. Didn't hurt the Knicks record during Linsanity either

yea, he and harden combined for 11 turnovers, but they also get assist, and steals.. they are ranked 6th and 7th in the league in steals, they have the ball a lot and play at a high pace, they make a lot of plays... sometimes they will turn it over.. it doesn't seem to hurt them tho...

Absolutely. They are really fun to watch.

yea, even Toney douglas and delfino are playing very well, they are playing well as a unit, the whole team seems to be on the same page...

Have to hand it to Houston, they are playing great and are a fun team to watch. 21-14 which is 3 games behind us! Not sure they can do much in the playoffs, but they have a young team and a very bright future.
I hope the Douglas haters are not shocked at his good play. He did that for us before the injury and mental anguish he went through for whatever reason. Probably needed a change of scenery to overcome it all...

Houston's getting 8 rbs, 4 stls, and 1 block a game from their starting back-court.

earthmansurfer wrote:Have to hand it to Houston, they are playing great and are a fun team to watch. 21-14 which is 3 games behind us! Not sure they can do much in the playoffs, but they have a young team and a very bright future.

They're probably getting bounced in the first round as usual. It wasn't that long ago they won 22 straight - didn't mean much in the postseason.

K22 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Have to hand it to Houston, they are playing great and are a fun team to watch. 21-14 which is 3 games behind us! Not sure they can do much in the playoffs, but they have a young team and a very bright future.

They're probably getting bounced in the first round as usual. It wasn't that long ago they won 22 straight - didn't mean much in the postseason.

I would have to disagree. I predicted that Houston would win 40+ games before the Harden trade. After the Harden trade, I said they will win 50+ games. I lot here thought I was nuts. If they move into the 4th or 5th seed, they will get past the 1st round. This would mean not facing San Antonio or OKC in the first round. If they face the Spurs or OKC in the first round then they will get bounced. Now, if they reach the 2nd round and face the Clippers, they will advance to the WCF. There are only 2 teams that the Rockets don't match up well and that is the Spurs and OKC.

Anybody here saw the defense Lin did on the Black Mamba when he got him on a switch? Lin is playing really well. This is almost Linsanity levels without the scoring explosion. The dude is fearless when attacking the rim. Drexler keeps mentioning that Lin needs to learn how to fall since they foul him hard all the time or he will not last.

Harden is a bonafide superstar. I love how he takes control of the game. When he sees that Lin is being passive, he tells him to attack and gives up the ball. Really loving Harden right now.

Parsons, I had reservations at the beginning. Now, I think that he is a very good 3rd banana which can move to a great 4th banana when Rockets get their stud PF.

Asik has a bad game yesterday stat wise, but his defense in the paint was big. Made it hard for Kobe and Nash to get any penetration.

Morris and Patterson right now are holding the PF fort. When one has a bad game the other comes in. They need to get tougher though. They get pushed around quite a bit.

Greg Smith is going to be a monster. When he learns how to setup a proper screen, he will be in the mold of Otis Thorpe and Karl Malone on offense. In defense? He needs some work.

Delfino is the Rockets Novak. Not as good in 3 pointers but he can actually dribble drive. Defense sucks but he is a specialist.

TD. Dude has been reborn. He is no longer taking ill-advised 3s. He takes 3 pointers in a catch and shoot and always within the offensive flow. His defense in Rocket country is being lauded, but I think he is not as good defensively when he was here in NY. I think it has something to do with the game being a faster pace now. It tires him out a bit. He is now getting burned 1-on-1 by crafty PGs like Nash and Lillard. Go figure.

Morey is a genius. Love all his moves. Not just the big ones. I also like the small moves. Cook was not producing even when given a chance..so what does he do? Releases him and signs a younger, taller James Anderson. Releasing Scott Machado was also huge. He was not toeing the company line. In pre-season, he openly said he is better than Lin, TD and Livingston. Not something you want to hear from a rookie. He also looked horrible in garbage minutes. Morey's only bad move IMHO is the drafting of Royce White.

Sampson. I think he actually stunted the Rockets progress when he took over for McHale.

McHale. Stubborn and really slow to realize what is good, but once he sees something working..he will stick to it. Finally figured the 3 guard rotation.

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:One of the genius things about Morey acquiring Harden on any given night no matter who they play.....HE'S THE BEST PLAYER ON THE FLOOR, that's crazy when you actually think about it.

and he didn't have to sell the farm to get harden.... planning, and striking at the perfect time.... wow.

The package the Rockets surrendered for Harden was substantial. Do you follow basketball by any chance?

sebstar wrote:

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:One of the genius things about Morey acquiring Harden on any given night no matter who they play.....HE'S THE BEST PLAYER ON THE FLOOR, that's crazy when you actually think about it.

and he didn't have to sell the farm to get harden.... planning, and striking at the perfect time.... wow.

The package the Rockets surrendered for Harden was substantial. Do you follow basketball by any chance?

Kevin Martin is a far more established player than Gallo. OKC is at a place where they could deal a player of Harden's calibre and still be a title contender because they already have 2 allstars (one of them being a possible all time great). Knicks didn't have that luxury and traded to get that allstar player

PS...Seb, you been away for a while so not sure if you know the purpose of the post you quoted. That post is a shot at the Melo for Gallo and Moz trade...

Uptown wrote:

sebstar wrote:

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:One of the genius things about Morey acquiring Harden on any given night no matter who they play.....HE'S THE BEST PLAYER ON THE FLOOR, that's crazy when you actually think about it.

and he didn't have to sell the farm to get harden.... planning, and striking at the perfect time.... wow.

The package the Rockets surrendered for Harden was substantial. Do you follow basketball by any chance?

Kevin Martin is a far more established player than Gallo. OKC is at a place where they could deal a player of Harden's calibre and still be a title contender because they already have 2 allstars (one of them being a possible all time great). Knicks didn't have that luxury and traded to get that allstar player

PS...Seb, you been away for a while so not sure if you know the purpose of the post you quoted. That post is a shot at the Melo for Gallo and Moz trade...

People actually care that Mozgov was traded? All I have seen in my short time here was people defending Gallinari

Uptown wrote:
PS...Seb, you been away for a while so not sure if you know the purpose of the post you quoted. That post is a shot at the Melo for Gallo and Moz trade...

Certainly...I was going to frame the discussion exclusively by the particulars of the Houston/Thunder trade itself, but Im glad you cut to the chase. Ill repeat what I said in another thread, because sadly is applicable to a host of posters around here:

I dont know who they are trying to kid --- they have a serious dislike for Carmelo as a man, and are actively rooting against him, enjoying any and every misstep along the way in the hope that the season ends in a failing one. Seriously, why post here and ruin this awesome season for knick fans with their childish bile? This website here is to talk knick basketball --- good and bad --- not engage in a daily, exhaustive effort to rebut agenda-fueled posters with a childish grudge.

Why make a fool out of yourself by constantly trying orient everything in an anti-melo tone, using the most ridiculous "logic" available? I would think that at the age many posters, including TKF, are around here that they would have more pride in themselves than to act this way. Its not mature or adult at all.

P.S, its great to be back and discuss basketball with you uptown. Its been a minute fam.

Sebby back!

Nalod wrote:Sebby back!

Had to..."knick fans" are supporting boston at the expense of Knicks players on a knick board. Ridiculous. Had to come back...Woke a brotha up.

sebstar wrote:

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:One of the genius things about Morey acquiring Harden on any given night no matter who they play.....HE'S THE BEST PLAYER ON THE FLOOR, that's crazy when you actually think about it.

and he didn't have to sell the farm to get harden.... planning, and striking at the perfect time.... wow.

The package the Rockets surrendered for Harden was substantial. Do you follow basketball by any chance?

It's only objectively substantial if OKC

retains K-Mart at a bargain

&

Raptors land outside out the Top 1-5 protections(eventually becomes unprotected yrs down the road)

&

Mavericks land outside Top 20 protection(eventually becomes unprotected yrs down the road)

&

Lamb becomes a stud

Other than that it's really a bunch of unknowns. It's only becomes somewhat significant if the Raptors land outside the Top 4 or 5 picks missing the playoffs. If they squeeze into the playoffs the Thunder have to wait another yr and this can repeat itself potentially the next few yrs if the Raptors can prove playoff worthy.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this. OKC only gets the Raptors pick if it lands between picks 4-15, next yr 3-15, next yr 2-15, next yr 1-15(I think it's protected this far), then unprotected thereafter

You have to examine trades very thoroughly and see them accurately for what they are.

3G4G wrote:
It's only objectively substantial if OKC

retains K-Mart at a bargain

&

Raptors land outside out the Top 1-5 protections(eventually becomes unprotected yrs down the road)

&

Mavericks land outside Top 20 protection(eventually becomes unprotected yrs down the road)

&

Lamb becomes a stud

Other than that it's really a bunch of unknowns. It's only becomes somewhat significant if the Raptors land outside the Top 4 or 5 picks missing the playoffs. If they squeeze into the playoffs the Thunder have to wait another yr and this can repeat itself potentially the next few yrs if the Raptors can prove playoff worthy.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this. OKC only gets the Raptors pick if it lands between picks 4-15, next yr 3-15, next yr 2-15, next yr 1-15(I think it's protected this far), then unprotected thereafter

You have to examine trades very thoroughly and see them accurately for what they are.

Nice try, but this is wrong. You're conflating two points of analytic, the point of consummation of trade, and postmortem analysis. Predictably, you are orienting a best case scenario at every point for Houston, with little justification in doing so...but that isnt terribly important to our discussion, just revealing your motivations.

As it stands, at the point of the triggering of the deal, houston gave up extremely high valued assets. Now whether those assets appreciate as projected, or depreciate, and also Harden himself, will determine who ultimately won or lost, but thats not relevant to the current discussion as we dont have a crystal ball.

If what you said held meaning, then draft picks would be valueless, since they derive their market value completely from projection, potential, and the unknown. We know draft picks are prized commodities, and have value and in that vain houston gave up a significant package, because its rich in future potential w/ high picks and a projected stud. What if Lamb becomes a superstar...okc wins a chip with Martin as a key contributer, and those draft picks all work out for the other parties and lead to high picks and great players, while the Rockets go nowhere as a team? See how that works?