Knicks · Melo is playing Elite..... (page 5)
Travla wrote:The only thing Melo doesn't do enough of is getting assists. Lebron knows how to use the attention he gets to get his teammates involved, I wish Melo would learn it soon......that is all!!
stop the presses, drum roll... Melo has passed pretty well this year. Knicks as a team move the ball well and Melo does his part. He still has possesions where you and everyone else KNOWS he's gonna shoot but nobody is perfect.
Travla wrote:The only thing Melo doesn't do enough of is getting assists. Lebron knows how to use the attention he gets to get his teammates involved, I wish Melo would learn it soon......that is all!!
"Enough of" compared to what? Right now he is playing PF and is average to below average in all the major categories (Rbs, Blocks, steals) other than PPG for that position. I think our team rebounding would be much better if he were moved down to SF but his scoring efficiency might drop a lot.
fishmike wrote:Travla wrote:The only thing Melo doesn't do enough of is getting assists. Lebron knows how to use the attention he gets to get his teammates involved, I wish Melo would learn it soon......that is all!!
stop the presses, drum roll... Melo has passed pretty well this year. Knicks as a team move the ball well and Melo does his part. He still has possesions where you and everyone else KNOWS he's gonna shoot but nobody is perfect.
I'm OK with the shooting and yes, no ones perfect. There's a difference in just passing the ball and setting up an assist. With the attention Mello gets, he could average 6 or more assists easily. It's also on the coaches to point that out to him.
Bonn1997 wrote:Travla wrote:The only thing Melo doesn't do enough of is getting assists. Lebron knows how to use the attention he gets to get his teammates involved, I wish Melo would learn it soon......that is all!!
"Enough of" compared to what? Right now he is playing PF and is average to below average in all the major categories (Rbs, Blocks, steals) other than PPG for that position. I think our team rebounding would be much better if he were moved down to SF but his scoring efficiency might drop a lot.
I'm not down on Melo, just pointing out that he could be even better in another way. The Knicks will outrebound few teams because the offense has 3 or 4 guys at or near the 3 point line when a shot is taken and the other team is already closer to the rim for a rebound. The offense works or they wouldn't be where they are record-wise....it could be tweaked to be more efficient.
Travla wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Travla wrote:The only thing Melo doesn't do enough of is getting assists. Lebron knows how to use the attention he gets to get his teammates involved, I wish Melo would learn it soon......that is all!!
"Enough of" compared to what? Right now he is playing PF and is average to below average in all the major categories (Rbs, Blocks, steals) other than PPG for that position. I think our team rebounding would be much better if he were moved down to SF but his scoring efficiency might drop a lot.
I'm not down on Melo, just pointing out that he could be even better in another way. The Knicks will outrebound few teams because the offense has 3 or 4 guys at or near the 3 point line when a shot is taken and the other team is already closer to the rim for a rebound. The offense works or they wouldn't be where they are record-wise....it could be tweaked to be more efficient.
A lot of players are hitting 3s at ridiculous percentages right now, though. Once those #s return to normal, I think this is closer to a mid/upper .600s team than a .750 team.
CashMoney wrote:Melo has upped his game thus far. If people can't see it they're blind. For the stat junkies....PER of 24 - Highest of his career
TS% of .569 - Highest of his career
EFG% of .514 - Highest of his careerThe problem people have is that they expect him to be Lebron and he never will be. Amazing that Durant gets so much love but if you look up Durant's career numbers (5 years) and compare to Melo's first 5 years the numbers are almost identical. Durant played with Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden and now plays with the same except swap out Harden for Kevin Martin.
Did Denver WANT to get rid of Melo? NOPE, he left them with no choice. Why were the Nets prepared to throw a max contract at him? Does anyone seriously think that there is a GM in basketball who would not want Melo? Yeah he has flaws in his game but what player doesn't?
Look at all the greats who have ever played the game and then look at their teams. Basketball will always be a team game and no matter how great of a player, the player won't win jack without the right mix around him.
IMHO, Melo has finally been surrounded with a team that allows him to do what he does best and who help minimize his flaws. Personally, I don't care about his playoff winning percentage or anything that happened in Denver. Melo is still only 28 and has a ton of ball left in him. His career is far from over and when it is I hope that during his HOF speech he speaks about how finally bringing a championship to New York was his greatest acheivement.
Not going to argue about elite, stats or any of that nonsense. I'm about taking it one game at a time and enjoying our 15-5 start.
ChuckBuck wrote:CashMoney wrote:Melo has upped his game thus far. If people can't see it they're blind. For the stat junkies....PER of 24 - Highest of his career
TS% of .569 - Highest of his career
EFG% of .514 - Highest of his careerThe problem people have is that they expect him to be Lebron and he never will be. Amazing that Durant gets so much love but if you look up Durant's career numbers (5 years) and compare to Melo's first 5 years the numbers are almost identical. Durant played with Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden and now plays with the same except swap out Harden for Kevin Martin.
Did Denver WANT to get rid of Melo? NOPE, he left them with no choice. Why were the Nets prepared to throw a max contract at him? Does anyone seriously think that there is a GM in basketball who would not want Melo? Yeah he has flaws in his game but what player doesn't?
Look at all the greats who have ever played the game and then look at their teams. Basketball will always be a team game and no matter how great of a player, the player won't win jack without the right mix around him.
IMHO, Melo has finally been surrounded with a team that allows him to do what he does best and who help minimize his flaws. Personally, I don't care about his playoff winning percentage or anything that happened in Denver. Melo is still only 28 and has a ton of ball left in him. His career is far from over and when it is I hope that during his HOF speech he speaks about how finally bringing a championship to New York was his greatest acheivement.
Not going to argue about elite, stats or any of that nonsense. I'm about taking it one game at a time and enjoying our 15-5 start.
I agree 100%,enjoy the ride.
Bonn1997 wrote:Travla wrote:The only thing Melo doesn't do enough of is getting assists. Lebron knows how to use the attention he gets to get his teammates involved, I wish Melo would learn it soon......that is all!!
"Enough of" compared to what? Right now he is playing PF and is average to below average in all the major categories (Rbs, Blocks, steals) other than PPG for that position. I think our team rebounding would be much better if he were moved down to SF but his scoring efficiency might drop a lot.
WOW Bonn glad you finally see the light! You were a big proponent of playing Melo at the 4 and getting killed on the boards
gunsnewing wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Travla wrote:The only thing Melo doesn't do enough of is getting assists. Lebron knows how to use the attention he gets to get his teammates involved, I wish Melo would learn it soon......that is all!!
"Enough of" compared to what? Right now he is playing PF and is average to below average in all the major categories (Rbs, Blocks, steals) other than PPG for that position. I think our team rebounding would be much better if he were moved down to SF but his scoring efficiency might drop a lot.WOW Bonn glad you finally see the light! You were a big proponent of playing Melo at the 4 and getting killed on the boards
I am very surprised by his rebounding. He was a good rebounder at SF and I thought that he'd be at least an average rebounder at PF - around 8.0 a game. His rebounding rate (8.9 per 48 min) puts him at 72nd of the 94 PFs though. Even though it hurts our rebounding, the team may be better off with him at PF though.