Knicks · Top 10 NBA prospects in college from what I have seen this year (page 5)
BRIGGS wrote:callmened wrote:Ok. Now my eyes have been opened. I had to see what all he hype is about this kid. He WILL be a pro no doubt about that. Is he a lottery pick...i dont know. But he has the quickness to play point and he can SHOOT36-7-7 tonight.
Briggs, I love your insight in regards to college basketball, but what are your thoughts on Jack Cooley who not only leads his ND team (ranked 25th overall) in points, rebounds and blocks per game but also ranks 5th amongst all NCAA players in rebounds at 11.3 per game and leads the entire Nation in boards with 14.9 per 40 minutes.
NYKMentality wrote:BRIGGS wrote:callmened wrote:Ok. Now my eyes have been opened. I had to see what all he hype is about this kid. He WILL be a pro no doubt about that. Is he a lottery pick...i dont know. But he has the quickness to play point and he can SHOOT36-7-7 tonight.
Briggs, I love your insight in regards to college basketball, but what are your thoughts on Jack Cooley who not only leads his ND team (ranked 25th overall) in points, rebounds and blocks per game but also ranks 5th amongst all NCAA players in rebounds at 11.3 per game and leads the entire Nation in boards with 14.9 per 40 minutes.
Jack Cooley is not NBA
BRIGGS wrote:NYKMentality wrote:BRIGGS wrote:callmened wrote:Ok. Now my eyes have been opened. I had to see what all he hype is about this kid. He WILL be a pro no doubt about that. Is he a lottery pick...i dont know. But he has the quickness to play point and he can SHOOT36-7-7 tonight.
Briggs, I love your insight in regards to college basketball, but what are your thoughts on Jack Cooley who not only leads his ND team (ranked 25th overall) in points, rebounds and blocks per game but also ranks 5th amongst all NCAA players in rebounds at 11.3 per game and leads the entire Nation in boards with 14.9 per 40 minutes.
Jack Cooley is not NBA
I don't know, Cooley reminds me so much of David Lee during Lee's years with Florida. Both scrap their ass off down low and fight for every rebound/positioning. I had a chance to watch David Lee during his years with Florida (live down here myself). These two players remind me of one another in regards to production/potential. Lets take a look at Cooley's senior season when compared to Lee's senior season.
J. Cooley: 30.1 minutes, 14.8 points, 11.3 boards, 1.3 blocks and 0.7 steals per game. Field goal percentage of .584%.
David Lee: 28.0 minutes, 13.6 points, 9.0 boards, 0.8 blocks and 1.1 steals per game. Field goal percentage of 52.5%.
Lee: 6'9/240.
Jack: 6'9/246.
I'll agree to disagree.
Chane Behanan of Louisville was by far the best player on this night going 13/20, 30 points, 14 boards, 2 blocks, 1 steal and 1 assist.
1. Nate Wolters 6-4 200
2 Eric Green 6-3 190
3 Shabazz Napier 6-1 175
4. Kyle Andersen 6-9 200
5. Rasheed Sulaimon 6-4 200
see i think we have a million PGs...we need big men
callmened wrote:BRIGGS ..what do you think about Cory Jefferson on Baylor...6-10 Jr PFsee i think we have a million PGs...we need big men
He really could stand one more year--if he does--he could go as high as a lottery pick next year with some increased weight and something of a jumpshot. He still is more of a hybrid 3-4 who cant shoot the three ball. I'd like to see us grab a second pick. The guys Id die to have is the center from Gonzaga and Wolters. If you noticed--everyone I picked 8 weeks ago when they were unlisted or sitting int he 2nd round like Oldapido Olynck Wolters are all now driving into the round 1. Next will be Shabazz Napier and Kyle Andersen--Andersen--not ready but way way too much talent to ignore. Not for our team unless we just want to wait 2 years. We definitely need a PG--the bottom line J Kid might be done and Prigioni is 36. We had a 23 year old PG but hes playing in Houston now. We have to protect the position. In terms of NBA Im all over Nate Robinson homecoming and Martell Webster.
In regards to the draft, at #26...I think Wolters will be there and yes, also Napier and Oladipo (even though I dont think hes a pure PG)...Kyle Anderson is poor mans M.Carter Williams who SHOULD stay in school but most likely wont...SMH. For big men, I think Olynyk might even be a lottery draft pick. I dont think hell be available. I do like Jefferson and Patrik Young (PF Florida)
BRIGGS wrote:1. Shabazz Muhammad--he is clearly pick 1. Lefty great body athletic great scorer. He needs to bring up the rebounding and passing on the next level--but he has a real chance to be a 25-5-5 player in the nBA.2.Isiah Austin--I know he is skinny but he has the most offensive potential of any big man in this draft. He has the ability to be a franchise center and I like who is dad is. The differentiator is the weight room--if he gets in there and is 245 in 2 years--hes the best player in this draft bar none. If he doesnt put the weight on--it could be a bust. Dont let your wife tell you anything different--size matters.
3. Mason Plumlee--he has every chance to be the next Tom Chambers--unreal like athletic ability at 6-10+ runs the floor like a deer and is just touching what he can do in an all around game
4 Alex Len--simple at an athletic 7-1 240 and a solid offensive game he has all the tools to be an all star level 5 in the nBA
5 C.J. McCollum--reminds me a great deal of Steph Curry--same size a little more athletic also needs to transition to PG but has all of the tools at 6-3.
6. Nerlens Noels--best defensive player in the draft needs a lot of work on the offensive end.
7. Nate Wolters---maybe the best PG prospect in the draft--only held back by some athletic ability issues and wingspan. Plays at his own pace and is a really good passer--will be a better pro PG from a passing standpoint than his shoot first need at SD I could easily move him past McCollum if there wasnt a difference in athletic ability.
8. Cody Zeller--not a 5 which to me knocks him down to late top 10. I see him as a 4 with good skills--his he tough enough against brute nBA 4's? Should be a solid pick here.
9. Doug McDermott- Under rated Plays like a Wally Sczerbiak clone in and out.
10.Anthony Bennett-- A little Zach Randolph a little Paul Millsap== lottery pick.
Upgrading the mock draft.
1. Ben Mclemore Sg
2. Kelly Olynyck Pf/c
3. Mason Plumlee Pf
4 Nerlen Noels C
5 Cody Zeller PF
6 Anthony Bennett PF
7 Nate Wolters Pg
8 Isiah Austin Pf/c
9 Shabazz Muhammad Sg
10 Shane Larkin PG
But David Lee improved has improved in all areas since draft night/rookie year
He was more of a Reggie Evan's/with more skill as a hustle player/rebounder,
but
since then has developed in to a point/forward skills, with post skills, great ability to finish great with both hands, along with his improved consistent rebounding, PnR, and good 17 foot jump shot
He is not anywhere compared to his draft night days and is hard to predict if Cooley will develop in to what Lee is now
Not saying he cannot, but saying it takes time, hard work/dedication
If he is not drafted, I think it would be great to sign him and take the time to develop him, although Woodson just doesn't seem to trust rookies
As for Cory Jefferson, I would love him, if we can get a 2nd round pick or if he he goes undrafted
Especially if we can acquire Pierre Jackson *mini Kemba Walker* and comparable to Nate Robinson/Earl Boykins
His speed/quickness/athleticism makes up for his lack of size, while he has a better handle/PG skills than Nate
If we can sign Nate or Charles Jenkin's for the cheap at the veteran's minimum like deal, it would make more sense to sign a player at that price with the experience than using a pick to develop one, however, if he doesn't get drafted, I think it would be a great pick up
Jenkin's is a RFA that could be under the radar, falling out of the rotation with Jack and Curry healthy
I am not sold on Kelly Olynyck at PF, he is just too slow
He is more of a bigger but slower Scola that I am not sure would be able to translate his game to the NBA athleticism/speed/size
While not much of a shot blocker/defender at all, and I have doubt's about his ability to rebound the ball with his lack of athleticism
Same for Nate Wolters, I see him as a poor man's Calderon that would need much time to adapt/devlop to the NBA's athleticism/speed/quickness
Remember how Jimmer was able to consistently score consistently in college as BYU's #1 option and has so far be ineffective for his NBA career
I know Wolter's is bigger but he lack's the speed/quickness/ability to penetrate/defend the PG or the strength/size/athleticism to play the SG on a NBA level
Kyle Anderson is raw but similar with more size but lack's the mobility speed/quickness but would most likely be drafted much after Wolters or possibility undrafted
I still believe that we should keep a close eye on the kid from Farmingdale that would be under the radar playing DIII at PF/C
He is raw, but you cannot teach size/athleticism/length and he has the qualities of BJ Mullen's without the ability to shoot the ball
We simply need some young leg's and retool some yoot's to develop
At least PG, SG/SF, PF/C, possibly extra SG/SF's, and a backup PF
We could use the taxpayer's to sign 1 of these positions and some veteran minimum's, along with our draft pick
And I agree with Ed, that PG from Washington could be a steal as well possibly for the vet min
RonRon wrote:Cooley does remind me of David Lee back on draft night
But David Lee improved has improved in all areas since draft night/rookie year
He was more of a Reggie Evan's/with more skill as a hustle player/rebounder,but
since then has developed in to a point/forward skills, with post skills, great ability to finish great with both hands, along with his improved consistent rebounding, PnR, and good 17 foot jump shot
He is not anywhere compared to his draft night days and is hard to predict if Cooley will develop in to what Lee is now
Not saying he cannot, but saying it takes time, hard work/dedication
If he is not drafted, I think it would be great to sign him and take the time to develop him, although Woodson just doesn't seem to trust rookiesAs for Cory Jefferson, I would love him, if we can get a 2nd round pick or if he he goes undrafted
Especially if we can acquire Pierre Jackson *mini Kemba Walker* and comparable to Nate Robinson/Earl Boykins
His speed/quickness/athleticism makes up for his lack of size, while he has a better handle/PG skills than Nate
If we can sign Nate or Charles Jenkin's for the cheap at the veteran's minimum like deal, it would make more sense to sign a player at that price with the experience than using a pick to develop one, however, if he doesn't get drafted, I think it would be a great pick up
Jenkin's is a RFA that could be under the radar, falling out of the rotation with Jack and Curry healthyI am not sold on Kelly Olynyck at PF, he is just too slow
He is more of a bigger but slower Scola that I am not sure would be able to translate his game to the NBA athleticism/speed/size
While not much of a shot blocker/defender at all, and I have doubt's about his ability to rebound the ball with his lack of athleticismSame for Nate Wolters, I see him as a poor man's Calderon that would need much time to adapt/devlop to the NBA's athleticism/speed/quickness
Remember how Jimmer was able to consistently score consistently in college as BYU's #1 option and has so far be ineffective for his NBA career
I know Wolter's is bigger but he lack's the speed/quickness/ability to penetrate/defend the PG or the strength/size/athleticism to play the SG on a NBA level
Kyle Anderson is raw but similar with more size but lack's the mobility speed/quickness but would most likely be drafted much after Wolters or possibility undraftedI still believe that we should keep a close eye on the kid from Farmingdale that would be under the radar playing DIII at PF/C
He is raw, but you cannot teach size/athleticism/length and he has the qualities of BJ Mullen's without the ability to shoot the ballWe simply need some young leg's and retool some yoot's to develop
At least PG, SG/SF, PF/C, possibly extra SG/SF's, and a backup PF
We could use the taxpayer's to sign 1 of these positions and some veteran minimum's, along with our draft pick
And I agree with Ed, that PG from Washington could be a steal as well possibly for the vet min
I think David Lee was a better athlete than Jack Cooley but I may be undervaluing Cooley a bit because I have seen him so much. I think David Lee went into round 1 because of his performance at Portsmouth against other players of his size. If Jack Cooley can go to the pre draft camps and score/ rebound like he has this year--then we can make a better evaluation. He's a good player--the true 4 is kind of a dinosaur right now in the NBA. David Lee is a very very high comparison for any player of ANY draft not to mention a guy who right now will be on the fringe if he is to be drafted or not. Can he be an AC green in the NBA?
callmened wrote:David Lee was a GREAT athlete who won the slam dunk contest but underachieved at Florida. Cooley like Haradgody before him are too earth bound.
He underachieved a bit but steadily improved. Also, Donavan system doesn't really stress individual numbers it's more about the sum of all parts.
BRIGGS wrote:BRIGGS wrote:1. Shabazz Muhammad--he is clearly pick 1. Lefty great body athletic great scorer. He needs to bring up the rebounding and passing on the next level--but he has a real chance to be a 25-5-5 player in the nBA.2.Isiah Austin--I know he is skinny but he has the most offensive potential of any big man in this draft. He has the ability to be a franchise center and I like who is dad is. The differentiator is the weight room--if he gets in there and is 245 in 2 years--hes the best player in this draft bar none. If he doesnt put the weight on--it could be a bust. Dont let your wife tell you anything different--size matters.
3. Mason Plumlee--he has every chance to be the next Tom Chambers--unreal like athletic ability at 6-10+ runs the floor like a deer and is just touching what he can do in an all around game
4 Alex Len--simple at an athletic 7-1 240 and a solid offensive game he has all the tools to be an all star level 5 in the nBA
5 C.J. McCollum--reminds me a great deal of Steph Curry--same size a little more athletic also needs to transition to PG but has all of the tools at 6-3.
6. Nerlens Noels--best defensive player in the draft needs a lot of work on the offensive end.
7. Nate Wolters---maybe the best PG prospect in the draft--only held back by some athletic ability issues and wingspan. Plays at his own pace and is a really good passer--will be a better pro PG from a passing standpoint than his shoot first need at SD I could easily move him past McCollum if there wasnt a difference in athletic ability.
8. Cody Zeller--not a 5 which to me knocks him down to late top 10. I see him as a 4 with good skills--his he tough enough against brute nBA 4's? Should be a solid pick here.
9. Doug McDermott- Under rated Plays like a Wally Sczerbiak clone in and out.
10.Anthony Bennett-- A little Zach Randolph a little Paul Millsap== lottery pick.
Upgrading the mock draft.
1. Ben Mclemore Sg2. Kelly Olynyck Pf/c
3. Mason Plumlee Pf
4 Nerlen Noels C
5 Cody Zeller PF
6 Anthony Bennett PF
7 Nate Wolters Pg
8 Isiah Austin Pf/c
9 Shabazz Muhammad Sg
10 Shane Larkin PG
Moving Kelly Olynck to the number 1 prospect--he is as c
lose to the next Dirk that I have seen--no euro version moving
Keeping the list somewhat the same--moving Noel out for injury and bring back Alex Len from the original mock and for the first time adding Marcus Smart VictorOlapido and adding 11-14
1. Kelly Olynck C/PF Gonzaga
2. Ben Mclemore SG Kansas
3. Anthony Bennett PF UNLV
4. Cody Zeller Pf Indiana
5. Victor Olapido G Indiana
6 Nate Wolters PG S Dakota State
7. Marcus Smart PG Oklhoma
8. Shabazz Muhammed SG UCLA
9 Alex Len C Maryland
10 Mason Plumlee PF Duke
11 Nerlen Noels C Kentucky
12 Michael Carter Williams PG Syracuse
13 Trey Burke PG Michigan
14 Isiah Austin C/PF Baylor
I rarely learn something when Magic Johnson talks bball but he made a good comparison. I think comparing Zeller to Pau Gasol is close