"Anthony’s fourth quarter proved disappointing. He missed all six of his shots and committed three fouls. His last shot, which came with the Knicks trailing, 85-84, was an air ball with 12 seconds left. The Nets won, 88-85.
Compare that game with one much earlier in the season, on Nov. 15, when the Knicks rallied against San Antonio on the road. Anthony did not try a single shot in the fourth quarter, and the Knicks stunned the Spurs over the final seven minutes with a 27-11 run to win, 104-100.
But that was when the Knicks were undefeated. Now reality has set in, as well as a trend that could lead to problems in the long run." - Nate Taylor, NYT
Our reality starts tonight in Boston. There is a great week of adjustment basketball ahead. The domino pieces shuffle again as the road beckons.
Welcome back Raymond Felton.
That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.
Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.
he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well
he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.
SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.
he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well
he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.
He used to be a big rebounder. Now he's an SF/PF giving 5.8 rbs per 36 min.
Hall of fame voting like all awards gives way too much weight to PPG. Career wise, he's high in volume but only a little above average in efficiency. So I called him good.
misterearl wrote:"Anthony’s fourth quarter proved disappointing. He missed all six of his shots and committed three fouls. His last shot, which came with the Knicks trailing, 85-84, was an air ball with 12 seconds left. The Nets won, 88-85.Compare that game with one much earlier in the season, on Nov. 15, when the Knicks rallied against San Antonio on the road. Anthony did not try a single shot in the fourth quarter, and the Knicks stunned the Spurs over the final seven minutes with a 27-11 run to win, 104-100.
But that was when the Knicks were undefeated. Now reality has set in, as well as a trend that could lead to problems in the long run." - Nate Taylor, NYT
I love selective rememberances. It's makes for such an easy road to hate.
Compare that with the Nuggets game on 12/9, where Melo shot 5 of 7 in the 4th and was 1 of 3 from 3.
Compare that with the Nyets game on 12/11, where Melo shot 5 of 6 in the 4th and was 1 of 1 from 3.
Compare that with the Wolves game on 12/23, where Melo shot 5 of 8 in the 4th and was 1 of 2 from 3.
Compare that with the Magic game on 1/5, where Melo shot 7 of 11 in the 4th and was 1 of 4 from 3.
You do the math.
SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.
he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well
he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.
I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.
Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.
he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well
he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.
I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.
I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.
Must be the Bonn effect.
Better increase my meds.
jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.
he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well
he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.
I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.
I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.
Must be the Bonn effect.
Better increase my meds.
Yeah folks don't trust their eyes anymore.
But real talk.....Melo is shooing too damn much.
Worst part about it is he can't see it because he insulted by single coverage.
Teams don't mind Melo shooting.
knickscity wrote:jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.
he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well
he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.
I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.
I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.
Must be the Bonn effect.
Better increase my meds.
Yeah folks don't trust their eyes anymore.
there's strong evidence that they shouldn't
knickscity wrote:jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.
he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well
he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.
I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.
I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.
Must be the Bonn effect.
Better increase my meds.
Yeah folks don't trust their eyes anymore.
But real talk.....Melo is shooing too damn much.
Worst part about it is he can't see it because he insulted by single coverage.
Teams don't mind Melo shooting.
See my post above, or just let me know if this makes any sense to you:
Compare that with the Nuggets game on 12/9, where Melo shot 5 of 7 in the 4th and was 1 of 3 from 3.
Compare that with the Nyets game on 12/11, where Melo shot 5 of 6 in the 4th and was 1 of 1 from 3.
Compare that with the Wolves game on 12/23, where Melo shot 5 of 8 in the 4th and was 1 of 2 from 3.
Compare that with the Magic game on 1/5, where Melo shot 7 of 11 in the 4th and was 1 of 4 from 3.
Bonn1997 wrote:jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.
he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well
he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.
I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.
I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.
Must be the Bonn effect.
Better increase my meds.
Glad I'm helping you 
One Somberman's help is another Homerfableman's hindrance.
Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.
he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well
he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.
I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.
is it possible to disagree with a stat?
are you saying it isn't possible that Marbury gets elected to the Hall of Fame?
I'd say it's not probable and I'd say Basketball Reference runs a rather accurate regression. Vince Carter is ahead of the names I mentioned but he's certainly fair from getting the needed vote to get into the Hall *because there are always names ahead of him on the list.*
SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.
he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well
he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.
I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.
is it possible to disagree with a stat?
are you saying it isn't possible that Marbury gets elected to the Hall of Fame?
I'd say it's not probable and I'd say Basketball Reference runs a rather accurate regression. Vince Carter is ahead of the names I mentioned but he's certainly fair from getting the needed vote to get into the Hall *because there are always names ahead of him on the list.*
I'd give pretty close to a 0% chance for Marbury.
The more important thing though is that it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. Like hall-of-fame voting, this stat is more a measure of the player's popularity, which is mostly based on PPG. All the stat is really saying is that for a long time, Melo has averaged a high PPG, which we already knew.
jrodmc wrote:knickscity wrote:jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.
he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well
he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.
I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.
I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.
Must be the Bonn effect.
Better increase my meds.
Yeah folks don't trust their eyes anymore.
But real talk.....Melo is shooing too damn much.
Worst part about it is he can't see it because he insulted by single coverage.
Teams don't mind Melo shooting.
See my post above, or just let me know if this makes any sense to you:
Compare that with the Nuggets game on 12/9, where Melo shot 5 of 7 in the 4th and was 1 of 3 from 3.
Compare that with the Nyets game on 12/11, where Melo shot 5 of 6 in the 4th and was 1 of 1 from 3.
Compare that with the Wolves game on 12/23, where Melo shot 5 of 8 in the 4th and was 1 of 2 from 3.
Compare that with the Magic game on 1/5, where Melo shot 7 of 11 in the 4th and was 1 of 4 from 3.
maybe this might make sense to you......
Last 10 games....31 ppg on 25 shots...41% from the field, even the threes are falling less, and that's with more attempts.
That's a far cry from what he doing early on.
His assists have gone up, and usually when he passes the team makes a better run like when he was feeding amare left and right.
Just using your own games against you look how far you had to go back just to find meaningful 4th quarters from him.
That's over a month ago, times have changed, Melo's offense has turned sour.
knickscity wrote:jrodmc wrote:knickscity wrote:jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.
he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well
he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.
I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.
I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.
Must be the Bonn effect.
Better increase my meds.
Yeah folks don't trust their eyes anymore.
But real talk.....Melo is shooing too damn much.
Worst part about it is he can't see it because he insulted by single coverage.
Teams don't mind Melo shooting.
See my post above, or just let me know if this makes any sense to you:
Compare that with the Nuggets game on 12/9, where Melo shot 5 of 7 in the 4th and was 1 of 3 from 3.
Compare that with the Nyets game on 12/11, where Melo shot 5 of 6 in the 4th and was 1 of 1 from 3.
Compare that with the Wolves game on 12/23, where Melo shot 5 of 8 in the 4th and was 1 of 2 from 3.
Compare that with the Magic game on 1/5, where Melo shot 7 of 11 in the 4th and was 1 of 4 from 3.
maybe this might make sense to you......
Last 10 games....31 ppg on 25 shots...41% from the field, even the threes are falling less, and that's with more attempts.
That's a far cry from what he doing early on.
His assists have gone up, and usually when he passes the team makes a better run like when he was feeding amare left and right.
Just using your own games against you look how far you had to go back just to find meaningful 4th quarters from him.
That's over a month ago, times have changed, Melo's offense has turned sour.
He basically regressed to his career #s, which shouldn't be surprising. His TS% for his career is .545 and for this month is .533, which is not that big a difference.
knickscity wrote:jrodmc wrote:knickscity wrote:jrodmc wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.
he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well
he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.
I just looked at that info. on basketball reference. It's a prediction of how hall-of-fame voters will vote on the player; it's not a validated assessment of the player's contributions. It also gives guys like Stephon Marbury and Glenn Robinson a shot at being in the hall-of-fame because they got a lot of PPG.
I'm starting to actually love basketball-reference.com.
Must be the Bonn effect.
Better increase my meds.
Yeah folks don't trust their eyes anymore.
But real talk.....Melo is shooing too damn much.
Worst part about it is he can't see it because he insulted by single coverage.
Teams don't mind Melo shooting.
See my post above, or just let me know if this makes any sense to you:
Compare that with the Nuggets game on 12/9, where Melo shot 5 of 7 in the 4th and was 1 of 3 from 3.
Compare that with the Nyets game on 12/11, where Melo shot 5 of 6 in the 4th and was 1 of 1 from 3.
Compare that with the Wolves game on 12/23, where Melo shot 5 of 8 in the 4th and was 1 of 2 from 3.
Compare that with the Magic game on 1/5, where Melo shot 7 of 11 in the 4th and was 1 of 4 from 3.
maybe this might make sense to you......
Last 10 games....31 ppg on 25 shots...41% from the field, even the threes are falling less, and that's with more attempts.
That's a far cry from what he doing early on.
His assists have gone up, and usually when he passes the team makes a better run like when he was feeding amare left and right.
Just using your own games against you look how far you had to go back just to find meaningful 4th quarters from him.
That's over a month ago, times have changed, Melo's offense has turned sour.
My original post was in response to the thread start, where the writer cherry picked ONE game to try and validate the "Melo shoots in the 4th quarter, Knicks lose" Melohate theorem.
My stats are all about the 4th quarter, not his overall shooting % [please, don't get Bonn started...whoops, forget it, he already is]
Yeah, and I had to go ALL THE WAY BACK TO JAN 5TH. That's like, years ago. The writer in the original post went all the way back to NOVEMBER.
gunsnewing wrote:Felton returns Saturday
Good breakfast today? Coffee better than usual?
Or did you mean, "Lookout below, fatboy2 chucker is back!" 
I don't mind if Melo shoots a lot but his shots need to have purpose for me he has to shoot 50% from the floor. He misses a lot of layups and this can't happen superstar rarely miss layups. Shoot with purpose a lot of times he is jacking shots up. He doesn't get calls because he wears the bulk flack jacket under his uniform. That screams to the refs that he is looking for contact and when he gets contact the refs let it ride because of the the jacket. Lose the flack jacket or make it less obvious and he gets to the line more often.
SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:That's the last thing I'd complain about with Carmelo. At this stage, he's basically a good scoring specialist. I'd love to see him contribute in other ways more.
he has the ability to contribute big with rebounds or assists in bigger games but I'd certainly like to see a consistent contribution in those areas as well
he certainly is a prolific scoring specialist though, and referring to it simply as 'good' ain't cutting it. Basketball Reference gives him virtually the same HOF probability as guys like Tony Parker and Dwight Howard and that seems fair. He has to do more to be considered - but he has plenty of career left. He has a 70 percent chance at the HOF almost exclusively for his ability to score.
DO YOU REALLY think prolific? wow.. let me ask you this.. is lebron a prolific scorer? most don't view him that way.. yet he is the fastest to 20k points.. came in the same year as carmelo, yet lebron is over 20K points while carmelo hasn't reached 17k yet I think..... just saying...
i think he is a great STREAK scorer.. not sure if I would add prolific.. he has always been good, but never great, at one point we can say T-mac, Iverson, Kobe, were prolific scorers it seems.. in carmelo's best year, we are talking 29ppg those guys cracked that with ease.. Durant is prolific...
