Linsanity was at least an example of what the Knicks organization failed to do for him during his stint here. GET HIM A DECENT PG!!! MDA if probably one of the easiest coaches to build a team for. It's pretty clear what kind of team you need to put together. SO far no one has really done that for him since his days in PHX. We all know what kind of players thrive in his system and yet that was something this franchise failed to do. During Linsanity it happened by default and of course it wasn't the best team you could put together with Lin and mostly our scrubs, but they did show that if you actually follow the plan it can work, even with a less talented group. If Melo had bought in rather than resisted it could've worked. We would have a great offensive coach and Woodson still here to handle the D. The reason the Lakers have now gone 14-6 over the last 20 is due to Kobe fulfilling that roll that MDA tried to give Melo.
Post game interviews JR said Woodson did not tell him to go to the basket
Woodson says he wished JR went to the basket
This exemplifies everything that is wrong with this team and the coach. Leaving key decisions up to low IQ castoffs instead of running an nba play
gunsnewing - do you want the man who hired Woodson to be fired?
No it was a nice story first 50. Now the honeymoon is ending. Like others I will give him a chance to prove himself in the playoffs. If he doesnt improve on his criticisms dating back to Atlanta and we go out in the first two rounds get me Brian Shaw
So you fire Grunwald, who do you want as GM guns?
No not grunwald woodson. Woodson was a nice story first 50. Fail again in the playoffs i want a young coaching mind like brian shaw. Read my previous post
gunsnewing - did you read my question carefully?
For the record, Mike Woodson was always a suspicious character.
There was never a honeymoon to start with. Mike Woodson has a better winning percentage than any Knicks coach in the history of the franchise, in a similar number of games, and the best so-called fans can do is scream for his firing?
Really?
misterearl wrote:For the record, Mike Woodson was always a suspicious character.There was never a honeymoon to start with. Mike Woodson has a better winning percentage than any Knicks coach in the history of the franchise, in a similar number of games, and the best so-called fans can do is scream for his firing?
Really?
You're basing a lot on 2 hot streaks. 18-6 doesn't make a career. 18-5 to start this year doesn't make a season. The record doesn't tell the whole story. Unless he's the one on the court winning games, there are a lot of reasons the team has the record it does and it doesn't necessarily mean he's some great coach. Case in point is Spoelstra in Miami. I think Woody's value to the team is going to be proven in the playoffs. Can he help this team to get over the hump and make it to the ECF's. This team had more talent than any team we've had in a decade. Unfortunately that puts a lot of pressure on Woody.
Not calling for his head yet. Like I said I will judge him after the playoffs. Minimum tough 2nd rd series or bust.
Grunwald got him his pieces to cater to Melo. No excuses
Who you gunna believe, some dude banging on a keyboard, or a dude with championship rings?
nixluva - The record doesn't tell the whole story
Bill Parcells - "you are what your record says you are"
You do the math
misterearl wrote:Who you gunna believe, some dude banging on a keyboard, or a dude with championship rings?nixluva - The record doesn't tell the whole story
Bill Parcells - "you are what your record says you are"
You do the math
Come on you're smarter than that. You can go into the playoffs strong or weak. It all depends on how you're playing at that time. Doesn't matter what you did in November and December. You know damn well this team isn't playing at the same level. They're still trying to figure things out. Other teams aren't having the same chemistry issues this team is having right now. That's going to be the issue.
gunsnewing wrote:No it was a nice story first 50. Now the honeymoon is ending. Like others I will give him a chance to prove himself in the playoffs. If he doesnt improve on his criticisms dating back to Atlanta and we go out in the first two rounds get me Brian Shaw
Its great that Knick coaches are being judged on playoff success rather then whether the Knick pick or traded pick is in the lottery. Not sure where the perspective is. The big three was in place last year and it took a tremendous run just to make the playoffs.
nixluva, luva - of course we are trying to figure it out. You bring "not quite Shump" off the injured list after subtracting Sheed and Camby. Felton busts his hand, but tries to play despite wearing oven mitts. After a crisp start, the earthly remains of Jason Kidd struggle to get the jersey over his head in time for tipoff. Steve Novak and JR Smith are day to day. You never know.
Stoudemire gets well - Carmelo's knee starts to bark. Everyone knows they cannot play together. Right?
The coach defies the legions of amateur coaches and attempts to maintain symmetry with his reserves. Of course, that angers fantasy leaguers and brainiacs who have all the answers to every game situation. These same brainiacs are in the training room, at practice ("not the game...not the game...") or at shootarounds. But they know better.
The NBA season is a marathon. Our roster has been in flux and as a result the trust and playing personality is also in flux. "Hey, wasn't that Ronnie Brewer not playing for OKC?"
Wasnt he a part of our hot streak?
Nah
This season has had peaks and valleys for a reason. One word.
Continuity.
37-21
CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:No it was a nice story first 50. Now the honeymoon is ending. Like others I will give him a chance to prove himself in the playoffs. If he doesnt improve on his criticisms dating back to Atlanta and we go out in the first two rounds get me Brian Shaw
Its great that Knick coaches are being judged on playoff success rather then whether the Knick pick or traded pick is in the lottery. Not sure where the perspective is. The big three was in place last year and it took a tremendous run just to make the playoffs.
You know damn well there were more extenuating circumstances.
1. no quality PG's to start the year
2. no real camp and preseason.
3. STAT and Melo coming off surgery and no work on their game or fitness.
4. a lot of new players trying to figure out how to play with each other with almost no practice time.
5. Melo being highly resistant to his coach despite the fact that he could easily have played harder at anytime he made up his mind to do so, which would've led by example and helped the team come together.
PLEASE don't compare last year to this year if you want anyone to take you seriously for such a comment. Woody has had some issues to deal with but he also has more to work with this year than any of the previous 4 years.
nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:No it was a nice story first 50. Now the honeymoon is ending. Like others I will give him a chance to prove himself in the playoffs. If he doesnt improve on his criticisms dating back to Atlanta and we go out in the first two rounds get me Brian Shaw
Its great that Knick coaches are being judged on playoff success rather then whether the Knick pick or traded pick is in the lottery. Not sure where the perspective is. The big three was in place last year and it took a tremendous run just to make the playoffs.
You know damn well there were more extenuating circumstances.
1. no quality PG's to start the year
2. no real camp and preseason.
3. STAT and Melo coming off surgery and no work on their game or fitness.
4. a lot of new players trying to figure out how to play with each other with almost no practice time.
5. Melo being highly resistant to his coach despite the fact that he could easily have played harder at anytime he made up his mind to do so, which would've led by example and helped the team come together.
PLEASE don't compare last year to this year if you want anyone to take you seriously for such a comment. Woody has had some issues to deal with but he also has more to work with this year than any of the previous 4 years.
There are always extenuating circumstances. The camp excuse doesn't really carry weight when the guy you are talking about brought his team out of camp every year and lost a ton of games. Also, the Knicks do practice between games now and have game day shoot arounds and watch films. Things are different and I think Grunwald had a vision for a more traditional team or maybe just saw the light and stopped trying to make a bad hire work and just had the guy try to coach a team. As far as a star giving up ask Dwight Howard why is he texting Phil Jackson?
Some great quotes from the Tribune when the Bulls were trying to hire D'Antoni.
First, D'Antoni is a liar. He said he wanted to coach the Bulls, and if that was really the case, he would indeed be coaching the Bulls. But he didn't wait for their offer and jumped on the Knicks' deal. That's the truth. Second, D'Antoni is a fraud. He's not really a coach. He doesn't like practice much and he certainly doesn't have any use for defense. He's the Don Coryell of roundball. You remember Coryell's famous line to his defense? "Let 'em score; we need the ball back."
To recap, D'Antoni: Fraud. Liar. Ballgame.
The fact that the Bulls were considering Mike D'Antoni shakes your faith in Hoops Honcho John Paxson worse than Kirk Hinrich's endless dribbling ever could. I mean, D'Antoni couldn't get out of the West with the league's MVP at point guard. He also seemingly had less use for practice than Allen Iverson. And as for defense, look, the only D this guy knows is in his last name. Wrong guy for this roster, wrong approach for this conference, wrong move by the Knicks. (sfx: Marv Albert's "Yes!")
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribun...I know Rosenbloom needs to read MacCallum's book also.
CrushAlot wrote:From Moke Hamilton:
Has Mike Woodson done a good job of coaching this team?
All things considered, he has. Woodson inherited an interesting situation in New York after Mike D’Antoni resigned. Woodson led his team to an 18-6 finish over the course of last year’s lockout truncated season and led the team to an 18-6 start this season. In other words, he started out his Knicks tenure 36-12 — and that’s pretty damn good.
Woodson may not be the best Xs and Os coach out there, but an often overlooked and underrated aspect of coaching is having the ability to mesh the talents of different players together and motivate stars to play for you. Through the first 24 games of the season, Woodson had Anthony in the MVP conversation and Smith looking like the Sixth Man of the Year. Stoudemire has excelled in his bench role and Woodson’s approach and personality seems to resonate with his team.
That said, it’s impossible to ignore some of his faults. Since the Knicks began the season 18-6, they are just 19-16. Injuries have played a part, but so has Woodson’s comfort with going to Iso-Melo basketball for long stretches and allowing Smith to chuck shots almost whenever he feels like it. Woodson admitted that he made a “coaching mistake” by benching Stoudemire for most of the final 8 minutes against the Miami Heat last Sunday. He did so citing matchup issues.
Why then, did Tyson Chandler spend the balance of the fourth quarter next to Pablo Prigioni during Thursday night’s loss to the Thunder? Down the stretch, Woodson went with four guards—Raymond Felton, Jason Kidd, Iman Shumpert and Smith—and Stoudemire. Having Chandler on the floor as an alley-oop threat would have helped floor spacing down the stretch of the game, not to mention his defensive presence. So, yes, seeing that lineup on the floor for the balance of the fourth was odd and so goes the life of a coach… If you are wrong, you are second-guessed. So second-guess away.
And none of that takes into account the joke of a final “play” the Knicks ran for what would have been the game winning basket. Smith holding the ball and attempting to create his own shot off the dribble with Russell Westbrook guarding him?
And this comes on the heels of a lesser talked about but equally important play call down the stretch of the Heat game. With the Knicks trailing by four with about four minutes remaining, out of a timeout, Kidd dribbled out the shot clock at the top of the key while his teammates failed to execute their assignments. Kidd ended up trying to create his own shot off the dribble and got the ball thrown back in his face for a 24-second violation.
Those are just two recent examples of Woodson’s poor late-game playcalling. If the Knicks are to make a run this postseason, he will need to do better. And he will also need to better manage his rotations, especially since Kenyon Martin looks like a keeper who can contribute.
The final 23 games of the season will tell us a lot about these Knicks and their coach. But not as much as the playoff run the team expects to make. Whether or not they will fulfill the lofty expectations placed upon them is a question that will remain unanswered for at least another six weeks.
Here’s to that.
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/03/08/...
That's a fair assessment IMO. That's why I want to wait and see what kind of a job Woodson does in the playoffs.
GustavBahler wrote:That's a fair assessment IMO. That's why I want to wait and see what kind of a job Woodson does in the playoffs.
So you want to wait when he's at his worst? Not that you have any other choice but this reply made me chuckle.
3G4G wrote:GustavBahler wrote:That's a fair assessment IMO. That's why I want to wait and see what kind of a job Woodson does in the playoffs.
So you want to wait when he's at his worst? Not that you have any other choice but this reply made me chuckle.
Wait until he's at his worst? Silly question. The topic is whether or not we would like to see Woodson back after next season. That's my answer, evaluate his performance after this season is over instead of making a hasty decision now. What would you suggest we do?
So the best that the people defending Woodson can do is scream 18-6 and compare him to MDA???????
LOL
These same people were convinced of contending for a championship with Woody and this team at the start at the season. Now it's Felton's fault, bad refereeing, or injuries or MDA or one of them even wants to fire Grunwald????
LOL
This thread is pure gold - keep going by all means.
