I was thinking about this earlier today on the crapper, and I couldn't recall any trade in the last 10 years that really made me say "wow, that was a great move, we really got the better end of the stick in that deal". Could our management really be that bad or am I forgetting something? I'm not talking free agency pick-ups or acquiring players that have been released, trades only. The Knicks mgmt seem to lack basic concepts of leverage and bargaining, and are always the ones being outsmarted and exploited. Why are we always the ones being hoodwinked, are the suits of our organization the most inept Front Office in the league? You would think the team representing "savvy", "street-smart" New Yorkers would know how to handle itself in these interactions with some modicum of tact. Our time being the gullible, vulnerable kid in the schoolyard is done, it's to be the bully and get what WE want, not what other teams want to give us.
I liked the Jalen Rose trade. We traded for an expiring contract for an extra year of Jalen's contract and a 1st rounder. Those are the types of trades that we should have been making for years; really use Dolan's deep pockets to our advantage.
Nalod wrote:The pick that got DLee.
True, but then we disposed of him for his oft-injured slightly more explosive counterpart, which kind of negates the value of the first move.
Frederic Weiss for Patrick Ewing Jr.
From the Knicks wikipedia page, these trades stand out:
1988 - Knicks traded Bill Cartwright to the Bulls for Charles Oakley
1994 - Knicks trade Starks to Golden State for Sprewell
But the vast majority of moves were either really bad starphuchs or related to dumping salary cap
I don't know the last time, but I know in near future, the Knicks will trade Jimmy Dol for a new owner, and that will be the BEST TRADE EVER!
^that would be a great trade¡
This just never gets old.
2012-13 New York Knicks 26-14 (.650) - -
2011-12 New York Knicks 36-30 (.545) 1-4 (.200) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 New York Knicks 42-40 (.512) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 New York Knicks 29-53 (.354) - - DNQ
2008-09 New York Knicks 32-50 (.390) - - DNQ
2007-08 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2006-07 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2005-06 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2004-05 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2003-04 New York Knicks 39-43 (.476) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 New York Knicks 37-45 (.451) - - DNQ
2001-02 New York Knicks 30-52 (.366) - - DNQ
I even used color for even easier viewing!
Now since it's already been established earlier in this thread that the DLee for Stat "deal" was worse than a wash, tell me the move that might have been involved in the dramatic increase in winning percentage?
Hint: It wasn't the the Chris McNealy signing.
jrodmc wrote:This just never gets old.2012-13 New York Knicks 26-14 (.650) - -
2011-12 New York Knicks 36-30 (.545) 1-4 (.200) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 New York Knicks 42-40 (.512) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 New York Knicks 29-53 (.354) - - DNQ
2008-09 New York Knicks 32-50 (.390) - - DNQ
2007-08 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2006-07 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2005-06 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2004-05 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2003-04 New York Knicks 39-43 (.476) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 New York Knicks 37-45 (.451) - - DNQ
2001-02 New York Knicks 30-52 (.366) - - DNQ
I even used color for even easier viewing!
Now since it's already been established earlier in this thread that the DLee for Stat "deal" was worse than a wash, tell me the move that might have been involved in the dramatic increase in winning percentage?
Hint: It wasn't the the Chris McNealy signing.
So you think Walsh did a good job in making the worst team in pro sports into mediocre team... Yep, this is true.
Considering what level of mess it was this is great achievement for sure.
But then the pro group was run out of town for Dolans cronies return to get the fruit... but instead they killed the fruit tree which was expected.
Idiots and bastards are always getting what they deserve. It's just a matter of time.
jrodmc wrote:This just never gets old.2012-13 New York Knicks 26-14 (.650) - -
2011-12 New York Knicks 36-30 (.545) 1-4 (.200) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 New York Knicks 42-40 (.512) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 New York Knicks 29-53 (.354) - - DNQ
2008-09 New York Knicks 32-50 (.390) - - DNQ
2007-08 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2006-07 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2005-06 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2004-05 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2003-04 New York Knicks 39-43 (.476) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 New York Knicks 37-45 (.451) - - DNQ
2001-02 New York Knicks 30-52 (.366) - - DNQ
I even used color for even easier viewing!
Now since it's already been established earlier in this thread that the DLee for Stat "deal" was worse than a wash, tell me the move that might have been involved in the dramatic increase in winning percentage?
Hint: It wasn't the the Chris McNealy signing.
So basically you are excited that we have become a mediocre team who gets bounced in the first round quickly
jrodmc wrote:This just never gets old.2012-13 New York Knicks 26-14 (.650) - -
2011-12 New York Knicks 36-30 (.545) 1-4 (.200) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 New York Knicks 42-40 (.512) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 New York Knicks 29-53 (.354) - - DNQ
2008-09 New York Knicks 32-50 (.390) - - DNQ
2007-08 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2006-07 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2005-06 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2004-05 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2003-04 New York Knicks 39-43 (.476) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 New York Knicks 37-45 (.451) - - DNQ
2001-02 New York Knicks 30-52 (.366) - - DNQ
I even used color for even easier viewing!
Now since it's already been established earlier in this thread that the DLee for Stat "deal" was worse than a wash, tell me the move that might have been involved in the dramatic increase in winning percentage?
Hint: It wasn't the the Chris McNealy signing.
I like that the Knicks got Carmelo but that trade was not a "great" trade by any stretch of the imagination. A trade for Lebron himself wouldn't be a great trade if you choose to give up a lot more than you have to in what is essentially a bidding war against yourself.
To be clear: I still think the Melo trade is a net positive, but it could have been a much larger gain if we played our cards right, so it is not the type of outstanding trade I was looking for.
Dagger wrote:jrodmc wrote:This just never gets old.2012-13 New York Knicks 26-14 (.650) - -
2011-12 New York Knicks 36-30 (.545) 1-4 (.200) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 New York Knicks 42-40 (.512) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 New York Knicks 29-53 (.354) - - DNQ
2008-09 New York Knicks 32-50 (.390) - - DNQ
2007-08 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2006-07 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2005-06 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2004-05 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2003-04 New York Knicks 39-43 (.476) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 New York Knicks 37-45 (.451) - - DNQ
2001-02 New York Knicks 30-52 (.366) - - DNQ
I even used color for even easier viewing!
Now since it's already been established earlier in this thread that the DLee for Stat "deal" was worse than a wash, tell me the move that might have been involved in the dramatic increase in winning percentage?
Hint: It wasn't the the Chris McNealy signing.
I like that the Knicks got Carmelo but that trade was not a "great" trade by any stretch of the imagination. A trade for Lebron himself wouldn't be a great trade if you choose to give up a lot more than you have to in what is essentially a bidding war against yourself.
Agreed
jrodmc wrote:This just never gets old.2012-13 New York Knicks 26-14 (.650) - -
2011-12 New York Knicks 36-30 (.545) 1-4 (.200) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 New York Knicks 42-40 (.512) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 New York Knicks 29-53 (.354) - - DNQ
2008-09 New York Knicks 32-50 (.390) - - DNQ
2007-08 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2006-07 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2005-06 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2004-05 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2003-04 New York Knicks 39-43 (.476) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 New York Knicks 37-45 (.451) - - DNQ
2001-02 New York Knicks 30-52 (.366) - - DNQ
I even used color for even easier viewing!
Now since it's already been established earlier in this thread that the DLee for Stat "deal" was worse than a wash, tell me the move that might have been involved in the dramatic increase in winning percentage?
Hint: It wasn't the the Chris McNealy signing.
Ur wasting your time..There is one reason we can't compete with the Heat and that's the 20 mil tied up with Amare..Swap Amare with Cris Paul and we can compete with Miami...So therefore it's a great trade..
jrodmc wrote:This just never gets old.2012-13 New York Knicks 26-14 (.650) - -
2011-12 New York Knicks 36-30 (.545) 1-4 (.200) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 New York Knicks 42-40 (.512) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 New York Knicks 29-53 (.354) - - DNQ
2008-09 New York Knicks 32-50 (.390) - - DNQ
2007-08 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2006-07 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2005-06 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2004-05 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2003-04 New York Knicks 39-43 (.476) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 New York Knicks 37-45 (.451) - - DNQ
2001-02 New York Knicks 30-52 (.366) - - DNQ
I even used color for even easier viewing!
Now since it's already been established earlier in this thread that the DLee for Stat "deal" was worse than a wash, tell me the move that might have been involved in the dramatic increase in winning percentage?
Hint: It wasn't the the Chris McNealy signing.
Where are you getting 26-14 from? We're 38-26.
Holfresh laid it plain and simple. If we had 2010 Amare we'd be beasting. Melo trade was a steal.
StarksEwing1 wrote:jrodmc wrote:This just never gets old.2012-13 New York Knicks 26-14 (.650) - -
2011-12 New York Knicks 36-30 (.545) 1-4 (.200) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 New York Knicks 42-40 (.512) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 New York Knicks 29-53 (.354) - - DNQ
2008-09 New York Knicks 32-50 (.390) - - DNQ
2007-08 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2006-07 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2005-06 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2004-05 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2003-04 New York Knicks 39-43 (.476) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 New York Knicks 37-45 (.451) - - DNQ
2001-02 New York Knicks 30-52 (.366) - - DNQ
I even used color for even easier viewing!
Now since it's already been established earlier in this thread that the DLee for Stat "deal" was worse than a wash, tell me the move that might have been involved in the dramatic increase in winning percentage?
Hint: It wasn't the the Chris McNealy signing.
So basically you are excited that we have become a mediocre team who gets bounced in the first round quickly
So basically you were happier being a .300 team that didn't make the playoffs? I guess all those backpage stories were more exciting?
To me it is not about the trade it is about the moves after the trade.
jrodmc wrote:This just never gets old.2012-13 New York Knicks 26-14 (.650) - -
2011-12 New York Knicks 36-30 (.545) 1-4 (.200) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 New York Knicks 42-40 (.512) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 New York Knicks 29-53 (.354) - - DNQ
2008-09 New York Knicks 32-50 (.390) - - DNQ
2007-08 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2006-07 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2005-06 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2004-05 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2003-04 New York Knicks 39-43 (.476) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 New York Knicks 37-45 (.451) - - DNQ
2001-02 New York Knicks 30-52 (.366) - - DNQ
I even used color for even easier viewing!
Now since it's already been established earlier in this thread that the DLee for Stat "deal" was worse than a wash, tell me the move that might have been involved in the dramatic increase in winning percentage?
Hint: It wasn't the the Chris McNealy signing.
I very much believe we make playoffs 2010-11 even without melo.
We were over .500. Stat had a lot to do with that year.
I don't think we stand pat with that roster for very long.
If we do, we are not that good. I suppose the "anger" that is boiling over for many is we are not that good of late.
And if we are a one and done team having spend assets as we have, then hope wanes.........
holfresh wrote:jrodmc wrote:This just never gets old.2012-13 New York Knicks 26-14 (.650) - -
2011-12 New York Knicks 36-30 (.545) 1-4 (.200) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 New York Knicks 42-40 (.512) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 New York Knicks 29-53 (.354) - - DNQ
2008-09 New York Knicks 32-50 (.390) - - DNQ
2007-08 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2006-07 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2005-06 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2004-05 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2003-04 New York Knicks 39-43 (.476) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 New York Knicks 37-45 (.451) - - DNQ
2001-02 New York Knicks 30-52 (.366) - - DNQ
I even used color for even easier viewing!
Now since it's already been established earlier in this thread that the DLee for Stat "deal" was worse than a wash, tell me the move that might have been involved in the dramatic increase in winning percentage?
Hint: It wasn't the the Chris McNealy signing.
Ur wasting your time..There is one reason we can't compete with the Heat and that's the 20 mil tied up with Amare..Swap Amare with Cris Paul and we can compete with Miami...So therefore it's a great trade..
Swapping Chris Paul for a guy that can't even play would make any good team in the league a contender. You can't wave your magic wand and swap amar'e for anyone you want, the NBA doesn't work like that. If you're going to speculate about what could have been without Amar'e's contract, then you have to consider how his presence on the team influences the FO decisions made afterwards. Considering Amar'e and Melo are similar-type players (mainly scorers) that don't complement each other, the point could made that Amar'e makes the Melo trade worse, simply by his incongruity with Melo. You can't isolate Amar'e from the equation because his presence affects the value reaped by the trade (Amar'e's redundant skill-set hurts Melo's value, which makes the melo trade less favorable)..
That Carmelo Anthony trade was pretty good.
