Knicks · Why I Do Not Trust This Team Not Even As Far As I Will Throw Them (page 5)

IronWillGiroud wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:interesting to re-read this thread after figuring out this dude is orangeblobman pt 2, who is right behind tkf in the uk.com troll rankings

i did not congratulate you now 2013 will be a big year for you when they strike down doma

Ironwill, stick to the pickup league and dead lift update threads, especially the weightlifting thread, since I would truly be interested in watching you throw this team somewhere. [<------<-----<----- notice how the jrod stays on topic]

Political humor should best be left to the likes of playa and the conspiracy theorists.

I don't believe we can beat the Heat with the style we played in Game 1 vs the Celtics
Melo cannot take 30 shots and make 29 of them, he has to be much more efficient

We need to play within a TEAM concept, as Melo has to be effective with DEF/REBOUNDING/CREATING shot's for his team
Also need Kmart and even Copeland to play C, as Tyson Chandler is just not there on DEF or offense as a liability *whether it is with age and/or injuries/health
Kmart's mobility on both changes our whole dynamic in addition to Pablo feeding the cutters and not relying on 1v1 plays that leads to fast break points
Pablo is our balance to ISO plays, PnR plays, and TEAM ball

JR also CAN NOT revert back to his old self, while we need him to play tough DEF, REB, create shot's for others, get to the FT line
More importantly, he has to contribute in all area's while getting the opportunity/touches to do so, especially creating quality shots
NOT
just playing as a scorer/6th man role like his old self

not trying to knock Melo, I love the intensity, DEF, focus, and determination he has playing with, I just think he needs to play smarter
Hopefully, he adjusts and continues to trust his team mates, a reason why we look great offensively when the balls moves as our role players and JR Smith gets more touches/opportunities
to get in rhythm, playing harder on both ends

He needs to divide that focus/energy on other area's including consistent tough DEF *which he has been doing*, REB, building confidence/trust in his team/role players, CREATING for others/move the ball instead continue to forcing shots when not needed, and learning to play off the ball, fighting/earning for position, with good cuts

This is my opinion/analysis, hope we can learn to play this way with Indiana, and build momentum/confidence on the journey to the ECF

jrodmc wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:interesting to re-read this thread after figuring out this dude is orangeblobman pt 2, who is right behind tkf in the uk.com troll rankings

i did not congratulate you now 2013 will be a big year for you when they strike down doma

Ironwill, stick to the pickup league and dead lift update threads, especially the weightlifting thread, since I would truly be interested in watching you throw this team somewhere. [<------<-----<----- notice how the jrod stays on topic]

Political humor should best be left to the likes of playa and the conspiracy theorists.

he can change his name but the child was always and will always be a biggot

If there was anything humorous about playas conspiracy theories, I would actually take the time to read his posts. After reading his first couple I realized I wasted my time.

CrushAlot wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

misterearl wrote:IronWillGiroud - why do you waste your time writing about something you obviously despise?

just curious.

misterearl - I despise what?

you SPIT ON ME when you say i despise this team,

some of my best memories when i was a child, watching knicks games with my dad, we grew up poor but with strong values, immigrant parents who gave their life for me, right now as i write this i can shed a tear,

so you do not tell me i despise something,

knicks are in my blood, respect that,

the only thing i am against is this current edition, nothing else,

let's bring HOOPS BACK TO NEW YORK

The current edition has brought hoops back to NY. The last time a Knick team had more wins than this team it was 1996.

+1

Allanfan20 wrote:If there was anything humorous about playas conspiracy theories, I would actually take the time to read his posts. After reading his first couple I realized I wasted my time.

Playa's threads are about as close to political humor as you're going to get on UK, my friend. Black Ops Nightmares and Seals with Skulls evoke a bit more of a smirk than a dopey reference to doma, IMHO.

higheyecue

Jason Kidd said preparation and increased basketball I.Q. had much to do with the Knicks’ being poised to reverse the Celtics’ first-round sweep of them of two years ago — as good a reason for the Knicks’ signing him as any.

“The young guys are looking at the older guys and seeing that it’s not just what you do on the court,” he said, referring to Shumpert, Raymond Felton and even Prigioni, who at 35 is an N.B.A. rookie.

It’s about watching film, studying an opponent’s tendencies, he said. Shumpert has done plenty of that on Pierce and it showed.

Early on, he harassed Pierce into an offensive foul; he poked away an entry pass by Green while defending Pierce from behind in the post; he stripped Pierce clean up top and forced Jason Terry into committing a clear-path foul. As the Knicks established defensive control, you could sense the Celtics were in trouble. The crowd felt it. The Celtics knew it.

Asked if he could see frustration in Pierce’s eyes, Shumpert shook his head.

“You never do that,” (Shumpert) said. “You look at a guy’s eyes, and you’ll be lost in this league.”

It’s about learning an opponent’s habits, anticipating when he is going to make the ball available, moving one’s feet, staying defensively balanced.

- Harvey Araton

you see now this guy was suspended, this is the lack of balance between extremes,

If felton, kidd, and prigs and every knick in uniform believes that given the ball to melo no matter how bad he's shooting, we could be in trouble..

Thats like a team shooting 1 for 20 from 3pt land and refusing to drive to the whole..the stupid theory of live by the 3 die by 3 or in this case live by melo die by melo, should not apply in the playoffs where you make adjustments..

I just hope we never see melo take 36 shots ever again..

Woodson is in a tough spot. If he says something he risks losing his star player and we you never know how sensitive melo would be in receiving critcism. I agree the ball should not stick in Melos hand for 22seconds ever. Take every shot but make your move in the firat 7secs. Dont play right into the defeses hands. Knicks really missed JR. Melo doesnt trust anyone else. Dont know of the coaches trust anyone either as evudent by cope and novak not getting any minutes with JR out

The problem is there is no imagination on offense. Everything is a pick and roll or an isolation. Rarely is a screen ever set to free someone up or do we use anyone beside chandler screening at the top of the key.

Melo goes through stretches were he shoots lights out and it masks the problem with an isolation offense. He holds the ball way to long everytime he gets it. When guys are swinging it around we are usually getting open shots. The looks are there, but the head goes down and isolation cripples the offense. Melo is a good passer, that's what makes what he is doing criminal out there.

This is a bad Celtic team that predictably we are making look bad. The have no one with any speed aside from Green and once face someone that can penetrate we are going to be in a lot of trouble.

MS wrote:The problem is there is no imagination on offense. Everything is a pick and roll or an isolation. Rarely is a screen ever set to free someone up or do we use anyone beside chandler screening at the top of the key.

Melo goes through stretches were he shoots lights out and it masks the problem with an isolation offense. He holds the ball way to long everytime he gets it. When guys are swinging it around we are usually getting open shots. The looks are there, but the head goes down and isolation cripples the offense. Melo is a good passer, that's what makes what he is doing criminal out there.

This is a bad Celtic team that predictably we are making look bad. The have no one with any speed aside from Green and once face someone that can penetrate we are going to be in a lot of trouble.

Who is Melo supposed to pass too? This is the playoffs. Our team has problem scoring when the 3 ball isn't dropping.

Who else besides Melo and JR has a mid range game?

He missed 25 shots and had 7 turnovers. You move the ball and you get good shots. He is taking fadeaways in double coverage. When he shots in rythm he never misses. You're telling me he can't get Tyson a couple of open dunks or some open threes for his teammates when he is double teamed. Quick decisions he becomes unstoppable passing and scoring.

MS - More than the missed shots, Carmelo's 7 turnovers killed us.

Forget the points total, this was possibly his worst game as a Knick. His arrogance in the midst of 0-7 from three is beyond description. Watching Felton lead the comeback, it would have been a simple deduction to compliment the momentum, rather than attempt to stamp his brand on it.

Redemption Wednesday will not be via scoring, but via trust... and NOT forcing his shot imprint on the game.

You take 36 shots, you better make at least 18 of them.

Your suck. You sit.

Check out the security guard, he def trusts this team to throw them further

knicks1248 wrote:If felton, kidd, and prigs and every knick in uniform believes that given the ball to melo no matter how bad he's shooting, we could be in trouble..

Thats like a team shooting 1 for 20 from 3pt land and refusing to drive to the whole..the stupid theory of live by the 3 die by 3 or in this case live by melo die by melo, should not apply in the playoffs where you make adjustments..

I just hope we never see melo take 36 shots ever again..

well Felton did wave Melo off a couple of times in game 4. Especially in the 2nd half he was like, Nah Melo, your brickin so, its Svelton time.

DurzoBlint wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:If felton, kidd, and prigs and every knick in uniform believes that given the ball to melo no matter how bad he's shooting, we could be in trouble..

Thats like a team shooting 1 for 20 from 3pt land and refusing to drive to the whole..the stupid theory of live by the 3 die by 3 or in this case live by melo die by melo, should not apply in the playoffs where you make adjustments..

I just hope we never see melo take 36 shots ever again..

well Felton did wave Melo off a couple of times in game 4. Especially in the 2nd half he was like, Nah Melo, your brickin so, its Svelton time.

he should have waived him off on the last possession in OT...our bench scored 7 points, and we have one of the the deepest benches in the league...

Then to hear melo today talking about he can't believe he took 35 shots, and then to listen to his teammates they will die with him shooting...

thats not good

Killer Instinct

The fun part about Wednesday is we see how this veteran Knicks team responds after a playoff loss.

After Game 4, TNT’s Charles Barkley accurately noted that Smith’s absence pushed Anthony “to try to do too much” — a point that Anthony essentially conceded Tuesday, saying, “Thirty five shots is a lot of shots for me, kind of out of character for myself.”

On the same broadcast, Kenny Smith suggested that until now, J. R. Smith had never mattered enough to a team to rein himself in, adding: “Now he sees that he matters. He will have to be more thoughtful about all of his in-game aggressions.” - Howard Beck, NYT

A loss where the flaws in the offense were exposed. A game where Raymond Felton continues to raise the level of his intensity to playoff level. A game where Earl Smith shows up, or JR allows Jason Terry to be an irritant?

To be Chris Copeland or Steve Novak? That is the question.

jrodmc wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:If there was anything humorous about playas conspiracy theories, I would actually take the time to read his posts. After reading his first couple I realized I wasted my time.

Playa's threads are about as close to political humor as you're going to get on UK, my friend. Black Ops Nightmares and Seals with Skulls evoke a bit more of a smirk than a dopey reference to doma, IMHO.

Personally, I find both to be more so disturbing than humorous. That's just me though. I just find both of their views on a million topics to be rather disturbing. If I'm a fool for that though then I will gladly accept being called a fool.

Allanfan20 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:If there was anything humorous about playas conspiracy theories, I would actually take the time to read his posts. After reading his first couple I realized I wasted my time.

Playa's threads are about as close to political humor as you're going to get on UK, my friend. Black Ops Nightmares and Seals with Skulls evoke a bit more of a smirk than a dopey reference to doma, IMHO.

Personally, I find both to be more so disturbing than humorous. That's just me though. I just find both of their views on a million topics to be rather disturbing. If I'm a fool for that though then I will gladly accept being called a fool.

Disturbance is a choice. Humor is a choice. Patient reflection is a worldview. All views have a purpose.

I was told once to stare at my navel and say "serenity now".