Off Topic · Manhunt for suspect in marathon bombing updates (page 5)
Marshall law and ecampment is really bad for buisness.
I get the promotion of fear to motivate funding for military and homeland security.
The question is what is done when you empower a governement. Does it get used for evil or good?
Most wars are economic based and I do agree we fabricate events to properly motivate into action. Why? We are a melting pot of different culture under one roof and don't have a "nationalistic" tendancy to bind together. For instance the brits are british, French are french, Germans are germans. Each with its own unique qualities. Americans are from everywhere.
Civil war was not about Slavery, but the economics of it in the face human atrocity! WWI was about Euro debt. WW2 was complicated but Axis powers Germany and Japan making land grabs to expand its economic might which would isolate our economy that was failing at the time and would not have survived. I get it.
Other than fear, I don't get the end game for the Theorists. Its really quite vague.
BTW, I can't wrap my head on some aspects of 9/11. I get the fear part. Some things are just not explainable there.
Im open minded but not to a gov't plot to take over and make camps. Is it reasonable to have them in the event of a horrific biological event where millions die? Sad to say, it might. If a regional disaster like Katrina but 100x worse happens im afraid some things might be necessary. A nuclear event? Ugly stuff. Governments job is to be prepared?
Until someone can give me logic to why then I can't buy into it. Thats where lots of theories collapse in my opinion.
Nalod wrote:At 3:45 it falls apart because there is not logical reason other than the installation of some minor bills.Marshall law and ecampment is really bad for buisness.
I get the promotion of fear to motivate funding for military and homeland security.
The question is what is done when you empower a governement. Does it get used for evil or good?
Most wars are economic based and I do agree we fabricate events to properly motivate into action. Why? We are a melting pot of different culture under one roof and don't have a "nationalistic" tendancy to bind together. For instance the brits are british, French are french, Germans are germans. Each with its own unique qualities. Americans are from everywhere.
Civil war was not about Slavery, but the economics of it in the face human atrocity! WWI was about Euro debt. WW2 was complicated but Axis powers Germany and Japan making land grabs to expand its economic might which would isolate our economy that was failing at the time and would not have survived. I get it.
Other than fear, I don't get the end game for the Theorists. Its really quite vague.
BTW, I can't wrap my head on some aspects of 9/11. I get the fear part. Some things are just not explainable there.
Im open minded but not to a gov't plot to take over and make camps. Is it reasonable to have them in the event of a horrific biological event where millions die? Sad to say, it might. If a regional disaster like Katrina but 100x worse happens im afraid some things might be necessary. A nuclear event? Ugly stuff. Governments job is to be prepared?
Until someone can give me logic to why then I can't buy into it. Thats where lots of theories collapse in my opinion.
THESE ATROCITIES HAVE BEEN NOTHING MORE THAN TRIAL RUNS to do just what you said. Take Over !!!!
There will be a horrible disaster many millions will eventually die, the fear factor is to make the people on the fence to trust and believe in a elitist ruled shadow government who secretly wants to put themselves in position to CONTROL PEOPLE . These people aren't like you and I , they are inherently EVIL they have no value for human life, they only want slaves all over the world!
It's called the "NEW WORLD ORDER" WHERE THEY CALL ALL THE SHOTS. NOT THE AVG CITIZEN.
Why do all the videos have flame? Alien ships around the capital? Alex jones quotes!
Elvis left the building on that one. The into had no validity in my opinion.
If the backbone is spiritual, then is abstract. I stopped at the dude that said "A man will infuse satans DNA into himself and with his hands on technology........"
The mess we have made on earth around the world can't be fixed on the same level it was created on. Man must begin to look up and look for answers, the creator of the universe has to begin to show us a more excellent way.
Its your belief and every man has to have one!
Adrienne Haslet got her foot blown off in the first detonation at the marathon, but then had to take cover near the second detonation a block or two away, 12 seconds later?
Really? That is some swift movement for a footless victim.
Various techniques are used, by any set of groups, and aimed to influence a target audience’s value systems, belief systems, emotions, motives, reasoning, or behavior. It is used to induce confessions or reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the originator’s objectives, and are sometimes combined with black operations or false flag tactics. Target audiences can be governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.
This is amazing, they had to go back and edit out what he said WOW!!!!
I was a combat medic in Viet Nam. This scenario presented is not possible. Even Arterial blood, which is oxygenated, doesn't remain red like that, nor is it that shade of red, when exposed to the air. The double amputee shown here would be in such a state of shock that he would most certainly not be applying palm pressure to his leg while riding in a wheel chair, which is ludicrous in its own right. He should be unconscious at the very least. I spent four tours of duty in VN. I was wounded in the '68 Tet offensive. I have seen more trauma than most people could imagine in an entire lifetime and this is not right. Even my nightmares are more accurate than this.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/04/22/ac...
It's quite hard to put out there for people who haven't seen how real blood behaves when it's spilled in large amounts, but that red stuff on the sidewalks in Boston was just obviously not blood. No possible way it could be unless the laws of physics and chemistry suddenly got changed. And once you realize that then the fake bombing event is undeniable.
They are relying on most people not knowing that and on those who do and who look at their TVs and PCs and see obvious fake blood on the ground, just not saying anything.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013...
I was skeptical before, but this just seems way too convenient to be real. An why are we just now hearing about it? That was weeks ago.
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and James Holmes(Aurora Colorado theater): you will never see any of them speaking in public again...
They are alive, but it's like they are dead.
You have to believe what others say about them.
2 FBI Agents Involved in Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's Arrest "FALL" Out of Helicopter and Die
http://12160.info/page/2-fbi-agents-invo...
In addition to being a hoax itself, a story like this also serves as a warning shot to other agents, actors and medical personnel to keep quiet
As of 2011 Shaw was in forensics. Big jump to switch to the most rigorous department of FBI at almost 40 .
He is hair and fiber examiner for the FBI. He has held this position for 6 years. He has a BS and MS in textile chemistry from NCSU. Upon graduation he was a research associate at the university for 6 months. He then worked in private industry for 6 months. Then to the FBI.
FBI training included 1 year of training under the direct guidance of qualified hair and fiber examiners and completed tests throughout the training.
After the year of training he began working as a hair and fiber examiner.
He has testified in Court 12 times - Florida, New York, Virgin Islands, Montana, Virginia.
&http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/us/man...
WASHINGTON — A man who was killed in Orlando, Fla., last week while being questioned by an F.B.I. agent about his relationship with Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects, had knocked the agent to the ground with a table and ran at him with a metal pole before being shot, according to a senior law enforcement official briefed on the matter.
The official’s account of the shooting, the most detailed to date, came several hours after the man’s Chechen father claimed at a news conference in Moscow on Thursday that his son, Ibragim Todashev, was unarmed when he was killed on May 22. The father, Abdulbaki Todashev, displayed photographs of his son’s bullet-ridden body and demanded that the United States government explain how he was killed.
On the day of the shooting, federal law enforcement officials provided differing accounts of the episode, initially saying Mr. Todashev had a knife. Later they said Mr. Todashev had “exploded” at the agent and might have had a pipe or might not have had anything in his hands.
The shooting occurred after an F.B.I. agent from Boston and two detectives from the Massachusetts State Police had been interviewing Mr. Todashev for several hours about his possible involvement in a triple homicide in Waltham, Mass., in 2011, according to the law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.
Mr. Todashev, according to the F.B.I., confessed to his involvement in the deaths and implicated Mr. Tsarnaev. He then started to write a statement admitting his involvement while sitting at a table across from the agent and one of the detectives when the agent briefly looked away, the official said. At that moment, Mr. Todashev picked up the table and threw it at the agent, knocking him to the ground. While trying to stand up, the agent, who suffered a wound to his face from the table that required stitches, drew his gun and saw Mr. Todashev running at him with a metal pole, according to the official, adding that it might have been a broomstick.
The agent fired several shots at Mr. Todashev, striking him and knocking him backward. But Mr. Todashev again charged at the agent. The agent fired several more shots at Mr. Todashev, killing him. The detective in the room did not fire his weapon, the official said.
Under the F.B.I.’s guidelines, agents can fire a gun at someone if they feel the person is a threat to them or someone else. The episode is being reviewed by a team of F.B.I. investigators who specialize in shootings and by the district attorney in Orlando, the official said.
At the news conference in Moscow, the elder Mr. Todashev said his son had been interrogated for eight hours in his home on the day of the shooting because he had refused to report to an official building for what would have been a third round of questioning. He said that judging from his son’s wounds, he had been shot seven times, including once on the crown of his head. “I want justice,” said Mr. Todashev, who works for the city government in Grozny, the capital of Chechnya. “I want this to be investigated, so that these people will be put on trial in America. These are not F.B.I. agents, they are bandits. They must be put on trial.”
Mr. Todashev, said the agents had focused exclusively on the Boston bombing the first time they questioned his son, and they raised the 2011 killings in subsequent conversations. He said his son was planning to fly to Russia on May 24 for a visit because he had received his American green card two months earlier and was now free to travel.
“Probably he was tired of these interrogations,” he said. “He said, ‘I am home; you should come to me.’ That kind of conversation took place. And they came to his home.”
Mr. Todashev, a father of 12, said his son was with a friend, Khusen Taramov, when the agents arrived. He said they had separated the two men and questioned Mr. Taramov outside, before releasing him after four hours. When Mr. Taramov asked about his friend, Mr. Todashev said, “They pushed him off, told him, ‘We’re going to be with him a long time.’ ” Mr. Taramov returned later to find the house surrounded by police officers and emergency vehicles.
“I have questions for the Americans,” said Zaurbek Sadakhanov, a lawyer who has worked with the Todashev family as well as the family of Mr. Tsarnaev and his brother, Dzhokhar, the other suspect in the Boston bombings. “Why was he questioned for the third time without a lawyer? Why wasn’t Ibragim’s questioning recorded on audio or videotape, seeing as he was being questioned without a lawyer? What was the need to shoot Ibragim seven times, when five fully equipped police officers with stun guns were against him?”
He also complained about the muted response of the Russian Foreign Ministry. The ministry often responds vocally to the treatment of Russian citizens by officials of foreign governments, but it has made no statement about Mr. Todashev’s shooting. Much of the news conference focused on the actions of United States law enforcement.
“We will never know whether Ibragim Todashev and Tamerlan Tsarnaev were criminals, because the investigation ends with their death,” Mr. Sadakhanov said. “If that’s what happens in American democracy, then I am against the export of that democracy to Russia.”
Mr. Todashev said Ibragim had graduated from a university in Chechnya and then traveled to the United States in 2008, hoping to improve his English. He said his son befriended the Tsarnaev brothers in Boston, but had moved to Florida two years ago. This relationship was of central interest to the agents who questioned Ibragim, Mr. Todashev said, adding that his son told them he did not believe the Tsarnaev brothers were guilty. “He did not believe the Tsarnaevs did this,” he said. “He said they had been set up. These were his exact words.”
He said he hoped to receive an American visa so that he could retrieve his son’s body and take it back to Russia for burial. He said that he has so far received no account of his son’s death from American officials, and that he had received the photographs of his son’s corpse from a friend who had sent them to him electronically. The photographs were published Thursday on the Russian Web site Kavkazskaya Politika
Michael S. Schmidt reported from Washington, and Ellen Barry from Moscow. Andrew Roth contributed reporting from Moscow. (End quote; New York Times online).
Originally said he had a knife - Feds now say it may have been a “broomstick” — or he "might not have had anything in his hands"
Editor's Note: What follows is an unusually candid report by the New York Times -- to such an extent that in this writer's view it can be considered Revelation of the Method. While we have withheld an assessment until today, we now believe that like so many persons who had information on the conspiracy that assassinated President John F. Kennedy and were subsequently killed, including Lee Harvey Oswald himself, Ibragim Todashev was murdered by the FBI to keep him from publicizing his belief that the Tsarnaev brothers, the accused Boston Marathon bombers, had been, in his words, "set up.” The FBI has now radically altered its original story and the inconsistencies and anomalies are so shocking and blatantly preposterous as to merit an independent congressional investigation and a massive civil suit. We are ruled by assassins.—Michael Hoffman
(We have highlighted in boldface what we feel are the most revealing passages in this New York Times report. This emphasis does not appear in the original).
Man Tied to Boston Suspect Is Said to Have Attacked Agent Before Being Shot
By Michael S. Schmidt and Ellen Barry • NYTimes online • May 30, 2013[/b]
Why the drama? What if he just disappeared? had "an accident"? Was a victom of a crime? Had an health problem?
Why hold him for hours, then shoot him in his own home and make a press event? Just curious?
Nalod wrote:
Why the drama? What if he just disappeared? had "an accident"? Was a victom of a crime? Had an health problem?Why hold him for hours, then shoot him in his own home and make a press event? Just curious?
I find it amusing you want professional killing criminals to think like you, and for that I laugh at you.
playa2 wrote:Nalod wrote:
Why the drama? What if he just disappeared? had "an accident"? Was a victom of a crime? Had an health problem?Why hold him for hours, then shoot him in his own home and make a press event? Just curious?
I find it amusing you want professional killing criminals to think like you, and for that I laugh at you.
Thats it? Thats your response? If your truly on a mission to inform and help then you engage. Instead you seem to be just interested in "being right" and laugh at people. The assumption is for much of what you post is if it don't make sense then it must be a conspiracy.
Nalod wrote:playa2 wrote:Nalod wrote:
Why the drama? What if he just disappeared? had "an accident"? Was a victom of a crime? Had an health problem?Why hold him for hours, then shoot him in his own home and make a press event? Just curious?
I find it amusing you want professional killing criminals to think like you, and for that I laugh at you.
Thats it? Thats your response? If your truly on a mission to inform and help then you engage. Instead you seem to be just interested in "being right" and laugh at people. The assumption is for much of what you post is if it don't make sense then it must be a conspiracy.
You played your pipe , but I won't dance for you. Because you ask questions that shows your not really interested. I just give information , I'm not trying to make sense to you, this is for those who have major doubts on what's being reported. Now if you believe Mainstream media who wants to have you chasing your tail sending you in circles go right ahead, as for me
Ain't nobody got time for that !
Various techniques are used, by any set of groups, and aimed to influence a target audience’s value systems, belief systems, emotions, motives, reasoning, or behavior.
It is used to induce confessions or reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the originator’s objectives, and are sometimes combined with black operations or false flag tactics.
Target audiences can be governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.
Look at the blue tent, it's not rippling, there is very little wind, if any at all.
Nalod wrote:At 3:45 it falls apart because there is not logical reason other than the installation of some minor bills.Marshall law and ecampment is really bad for buisness.
I get the promotion of fear to motivate funding for military and homeland security.
The question is what is done when you empower a governement. Does it get used for evil or good?
Most wars are economic based and I do agree we fabricate events to properly motivate into action. Why? We are a melting pot of different culture under one roof and don't have a "nationalistic" tendancy to bind together. For instance the brits are british, French are french, Germans are germans. Each with its own unique qualities. Americans are from everywhere.
Civil war was not about Slavery, but the economics of it in the face human atrocity! WWI was about Euro debt. WW2 was complicated but Axis powers Germany and Japan making land grabs to expand its economic might which would isolate our economy that was failing at the time and would not have survived. I get it.
Other than fear, I don't get the end game for the Theorists. Its really quite vague.
BTW, I can't wrap my head on some aspects of 9/11. I get the fear part. Some things are just not explainable there.
Im open minded but not to a gov't plot to take over and make camps. Is it reasonable to have them in the event of a horrific biological event where millions die? Sad to say, it might. If a regional disaster like Katrina but 100x worse happens im afraid some things might be necessary. A nuclear event? Ugly stuff. Governments job is to be prepared?
Until someone can give me logic to why then I can't buy into it. Thats where lots of theories collapse in my opinion.
Terrormerica agencies have ordered coffins, box cars with shackles,&so much ammunition that it can Only be for war...RESEARCH FOR YOURSELVES,DON'T JUST TAKE MY WORD,...I TOLD YOU ALL BEFORE.LOOK AT WHAT APPARENT RIGHTS ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY,AND THE LAWS TAKING THEIR PLACE.....HUD,Homeland security,...can't remember the rest,but the info is out there,shrouded as it may be.Oh yeah,the Body bags.