When Chandler switches onto a guard its always a layup. Not a knock on him as what center can keep up, but the statement isn't true.
SupremeCommander wrote:this is a no brainer - Chandler. The Heat won a championship without a true center. Chandler can guard every position on the floor. At his best he is a great defender of every position on the court. Plus, Howard is a little whiny spoiled child
nykshaknbake wrote:When Chandler switches onto a guard its always a layup. Not a knock on him as what center can keep up, but the statement isn't true.
SupremeCommander wrote:this is a no brainer - Chandler. The Heat won a championship without a true center. Chandler can guard every position on the floor. At his best he is a great defender of every position on the court. Plus, Howard is a little whiny spoiled child
it's certainly true in the half court set when the defense is set. I think when the team gets a caught off guard defensively to the point where Chandler has to switch on a guard is a poor example for you to point to
I'd say Chandler defends point guards about as well as you can expect a center to. That's not the issue. If your bigs defend screens properly, you won't see mismatches like such. So you could say it's a double mistake every time a pg takes chandler off the dribble.
nykshaknbake wrote:He led his team to the finals, whereas Chandler was 2nd or 3rd bananna on his championship team. He an enormous crybaby, but he's been a defensive beast throughout his career and he commands a triple team in the post.
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blkexec wrote:fishmike wrote:total Knick homerism, and thats fine. Unless folks think Dwight is broken and his body wont be the same (like post-Pho Amare) then its Dwight and its not debatable. You cant build a team around Chandler. Dwight you put average NBA talent and your winning 50 games a year and going to the 2nd round every year.Cmon folks. Dwight may be a tool but he comes back healthy he's the best big in the NBA since Shaq
If Dwight is that good, why did the Lakers suck? Thats the best talent Dwight will ever play with in his entire career. If he's that good, the Lakers wouldn't be such a laughing stock. And this was before Kobe's injury. Dwight clearly showed how overrated he is.
I probably dislike MDA more than you. But if we are crowning Dwight Howard the king of all centers. The best big man to play in the NBA in this era, then I don't care if the Lakers were coached by bugs bunny.
Put any great NBA player / center on that team and you would have a different outcome.
What everybody doesn't understand about players like Chandler, is that he understands his limitations, understands his role, and plays his role to the best. By the way, he has leadership qualities that makes other players follow. Dwight is not there yet. So I can't crown him with anything, other than potential. Of course he's a physical beast, but thats only part of the equation that makes a player great. I'm still waiting for the other part(s)....
He couldn't lead the Lakers.....Even with their injuries, they were still better than the cast Dwight had in Orlando that he led to the finals.
Dwight hasn't matured yet. Until he becomes a mature mentally strong individual, we can start comparing. Right now, he's a high risk / high reqard player if you plan on paying him max money.
For me its a character issue for when it comes to Howard. He's played through injuries this season which says something about him but so does throwing your team under the bus, its becoming a habit with him. Wasn't always like this.
Lakers have been great over the years at drafting young talent like Kobe and Magic to play along side with future HOFers. They have been great at transitioning from one era to the next. They should stick to that plan even if they don't get another Kobe or Magic, even if it means a rough patch. If they don't they could end up with something resembling the Knicks under Isiah, especially with Jim Buss running things.
If it came down to it, I'd rather have Howard. Post-back surgery, his game really started coming together in the 2nd half. He's pretty much superior at all aspects of the game EXCEPT for FT%.
And tyson is not much of a ft shooter either and gets to the line far less than dwight
gunsnewing wrote:And tyson is not much of a ft shooter either and gets to the line far less than dwight
But you don't see a "hack a Chandler" strategy in the 4th quarter.
And for the most part, when I watch Chandler, he seems like he makes most of his free throw attempts. Eventhough his stats says otherwise.
When Dwight was in Orlando, it would be a no brainer to pick Dwight over Chandler.
The fact that I have to give it some thought, or how a thread was created on this subject, says a lot about Dwights falling stock.
I still find it troubling that you can't even play your star MAX player in crunch time due to poor free throw shooting.....
technomaster wrote:If it came down to it, I'd rather have Howard. Post-back surgery, his game really started coming together in the 2nd half. He's pretty much superior at all aspects of the game EXCEPT for FT%.
Tyson's FG% was .060 higher, FT% was about .200 points higher, and assist:turnover ratio was much better. The only real advantage Howard had was blocked shots and perhaps PPG (although his scoring was much less efficient).
gunsnewing wrote:And tyson is not much of a ft shooter either and gets to the line far less than dwight
Is that a good thing? I think it would help the Lakers if Dwight spent less time at the line!
Bonn1997 wrote:technomaster wrote:If it came down to it, I'd rather have Howard. Post-back surgery, his game really started coming together in the 2nd half. He's pretty much superior at all aspects of the game EXCEPT for FT%.
Tyson's FG% was .060 higher, FT% was about .200 points higher, and assist:turnover ratio was much better. The only real advantage Howard had was blocked shots and perhaps PPG (although his scoring was much less efficient).
Because he scores in a variety of ways not just alley oops from felton
gunsnewing wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:technomaster wrote:If it came down to it, I'd rather have Howard. Post-back surgery, his game really started coming together in the 2nd half. He's pretty much superior at all aspects of the game EXCEPT for FT%.
Tyson's FG% was .060 higher, FT% was about .200 points higher, and assist:turnover ratio was much better. The only real advantage Howard had was blocked shots and perhaps PPG (although his scoring was much less efficient).
Because he scores in a variety of ways not just alley oops from felton
If he's much less efficient, he's not helping the team though; he's just inflating his PPG (which will make him more popular).
The net difference per 36 min between the two is
Howard +2.0 FG out of +4.1 FGA (meaning Howard takes 4.1 more shots and makes 2.0 per 36 min) and
Howard +1.7 FT out of +5.2 FTA
Assuming all of those FGs are 2 pointers, the net difference equates to a .446 TS%, which is almost .100 points below the league average. Basically, in the extra possessions Dwight uses up, he is VERY inefficient. You could give those extra possessions to a top NBDL level player and he'd probably be more efficient. You could say Dwights' versatility somehow helps the team even if it doesn't show up in his individual stats, but I don't see any evidence of that. None of the Lakers players had particularly impressive years and their W-L record was unimpressive. To compensate for the bad efficiency, Dwight would have to be *substantially* not just slightly elevating his teammates in ways that don't show up in his stat line. To be clear, I'm not saying Dwight overall is an inefficient scorer. Rather, the difference between Tyson and Dwight is just lots of inefficient offense from Dwight.
(This is also ignoring the advantage in offensive rebounding that Tyson has.)
Bonn1997 wrote:technomaster wrote:If it came down to it, I'd rather have Howard. Post-back surgery, his game really started coming together in the 2nd half. He's pretty much superior at all aspects of the game EXCEPT for FT%.
Tyson's FG% was .060 higher, FT% was about .200 points higher, and assist:turnover ratio was much better. The only real advantage Howard had was blocked shots and perhaps PPG (although his scoring was much less efficient).
Less efficient? Didnt dwight lead the league in field goal percentage??
tj23 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:technomaster wrote:If it came down to it, I'd rather have Howard. Post-back surgery, his game really started coming together in the 2nd half. He's pretty much superior at all aspects of the game EXCEPT for FT%.
Tyson's FG% was .060 higher, FT% was about .200 points higher, and assist:turnover ratio was much better. The only real advantage Howard had was blocked shots and perhaps PPG (although his scoring was much less efficient).
Less efficient? Didnt dwight lead the league in field goal percentage??
No, Tyson's was higher. Also, please note my earlier statement: "To be clear, I'm not saying Dwight overall is an inefficient scorer. Rather, the
difference between Tyson and Dwight is just lots of inefficient offense from Dwight." You can see the fully reply for clarification.
tj23 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:technomaster wrote:If it came down to it, I'd rather have Howard. Post-back surgery, his game really started coming together in the 2nd half. He's pretty much superior at all aspects of the game EXCEPT for FT%.
Tyson's FG% was .060 higher, FT% was about .200 points higher, and assist:turnover ratio was much better. The only real advantage Howard had was blocked shots and perhaps PPG (although his scoring was much less efficient).
Less efficient? Didnt dwight lead the league in field goal percentage??
Or to make it simpler, I'll count the extra 5.2 FTAs Dwight takes per 36 min as 2.6 possessions and then note the following.
Per 36 min, Dwight uses up
8.3 more possessions (4.1 FGAs + 2.6 for FTAs + 1.6 TOV) and
contributes only 5.7 more points. That's really bad. The average team gets at least 1 point per possession. So that's a net loss of at least 2.6 points per every 36 min that Howard rather than Chandler is on the court. To be fair, we should add the extra 0.4 assists per 36 min that Howard gets. So the net loss would be closer to at least 1.8 points per 36 min.
Dwight gives more blocked shots but it probably doesn't compensate for the difference on offense and definitely (IMO) doesn't also compensate for the extra baggage Dwight brings.
A healthy Tyson is probably the most underrated player in the league because people have little appreciate for scoring efficiency and usually don't even think to count offensive rebounds when discussing offensive contributions.
Landry Fields is more efficient than Melo. Who you rather have. An allstar who scores in a variety of different ways or a guy who cant be trusted to shoot more than 4 shots a game. Mostly in transition and cuts to the basket from the pg?
gunsnewing wrote:Landry Fields is more efficient than Melo. Who you rather have. An allstar who scores in a variety of different ways or a guy who cant be trusted to shoot more than 4 shots a game. Mostly in transition and cuts to the basket from the pg?
You have to look at the net difference (or the offensive win shares) to answer that question but Fields is substantially less efficient anyway. What a bizarre question.
