Bonn1997 wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:I don't view it as a strong intrusion.....why do people keep saying that. I feel its an unnecessary announcement like say, your watching TV and and your show goes to commercial. Right before it comes back on they say, (your shows title) up now.....like you need to know that. Its unnecessary but, not exactly an intrusion. People are construing a stronger emotional response to their "coming out" than I actually feel. I just think its not necessary, as opposed to personally problematic any way.
Strong, moderate, whatever. Would you have the same reaction if, for example, he said he was a Muslim or a Jain?
I'd like to think so and I rarely talk religion except in the most general of terms. I have Muslim friends, some American born and some here on student visas and a couple of what I call fake Muslim family members. The kind that convert in prison, keep the name but forget everything else. Not sure what a Jain is but, I work in a scholastic environment with people from all walks of life, from all over the world. I've yet to meet someone I couldn't find common ground or a basis for some type of positive interaction.
That's fair enough. After I asked the question, I realized that I actually am not fond of hearing players when being interviewed after games say, "I'd like to thank God for..." or something along those lines. If they want to be religious in their private lives, that's fine though. So maybe our views aren't that far apart. I don't think your view is realistic, though, unless you're going to also say that he can never go on a date in public or hold his partner's hand in public. Surely, people would start to ask him what's going on.
I was just going to say that I don't have a problem with people who say stuff like "I thank God" because in truth I agree with them. 2 things though:
1) Are they saying that because they truely thank God? If so, then I don't see a problem with it. It doesn't really degrade any 1 religion. However, if they are just saying that to make themselves look good then they should probably STFU.
Allanfan20 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:I don't view it as a strong intrusion.....why do people keep saying that. I feel its an unnecessary announcement like say, your watching TV and and your show goes to commercial. Right before it comes back on they say, (your shows title) up now.....like you need to know that. Its unnecessary but, not exactly an intrusion. People are construing a stronger emotional response to their "coming out" than I actually feel. I just think its not necessary, as opposed to personally problematic any way.
Strong, moderate, whatever. Would you have the same reaction if, for example, he said he was a Muslim or a Jain?
I'd like to think so and I rarely talk religion except in the most general of terms. I have Muslim friends, some American born and some here on student visas and a couple of what I call fake Muslim family members. The kind that convert in prison, keep the name but forget everything else. Not sure what a Jain is but, I work in a scholastic environment with people from all walks of life, from all over the world. I've yet to meet someone I couldn't find common ground or a basis for some type of positive interaction.
That's fair enough. After I asked the question, I realized that I actually am not fond of hearing players when being interviewed after games say, "I'd like to thank God for..." or something along those lines. If they want to be religious in their private lives, that's fine though. So maybe our views aren't that far apart. I don't think your view is realistic, though, unless you're going to also say that he can never go on a date in public or hold his partner's hand in public. Surely, people would start to ask him what's going on.
I was just going to say that I don't have a problem with people who say stuff like "I thank God" because in truth I agree with them. 2 things though:
1) Are they saying that because they truely thank God? If so, then I don't see a problem with it. It doesn't really degrade any 1 religion. However, if they are just saying that to make themselves look good then they should probably STFU.
It doesn't cause me severe stress by any means. You can imagine how badly it would go over though if the player said "I think my atheistic worldview has helped me to succeed" after a great performance.
Did you say "2 things"?
DurzoBlint wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:I think you missed my very last post. I said, go out with your partner, live your life and that's all the announcement that the world at large deserves. And I don't think people would ask what's going on because, I would be obvious to them when they see two guys holding hands. Less tolerant or mature people will be like WTF, but, that would be on their problem, not the couples. Its the whole concept of publicly disclosing your sexuality that I don't get.
Reporters and opposing players would use it though if pictures of him spread around with his partner. He'd never hear the end of it. I think he'd either have to keep deflecting questions for the rest of his life or come out.
Your right about the questions but, his/their very actions would constitute "coming out", ..wouldn't it?
It would be insufficient though. The player would either have to make a public statement or deflect questions for the rest of his life.
HMM, yeah, no, I really can't say either way. It takes bravery in any case, especially if your a public figure. I can't imagine the pressures such people face......I have said more than once, forget fame, I'd rather be anonymously rich.
That's a very fair assessment. I don't think our views are far apart.
Bonn1997 wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:I don't view it as a strong intrusion.....why do people keep saying that. I feel its an unnecessary announcement like say, your watching TV and and your show goes to commercial. Right before it comes back on they say, (your shows title) up now.....like you need to know that. Its unnecessary but, not exactly an intrusion. People are construing a stronger emotional response to their "coming out" than I actually feel. I just think its not necessary, as opposed to personally problematic any way.
Strong, moderate, whatever. Would you have the same reaction if, for example, he said he was a Muslim or a Jain?
I'd like to think so and I rarely talk religion except in the most general of terms. I have Muslim friends, some American born and some here on student visas and a couple of what I call fake Muslim family members. The kind that convert in prison, keep the name but forget everything else. Not sure what a Jain is but, I work in a scholastic environment with people from all walks of life, from all over the world. I've yet to meet someone I couldn't find common ground or a basis for some type of positive interaction.
That's fair enough. After I asked the question, I realized that I actually am not fond of hearing players when being interviewed after games say, "I'd like to thank God for..." or something along those lines. If they want to be religious in their private lives, that's fine though. So maybe our views aren't that far apart. I don't think your view is realistic, though, unless you're going to also say that he can never go on a date in public or hold his partner's hand in public. Surely, people would start to ask him what's going on.
I was just going to say that I don't have a problem with people who say stuff like "I thank God" because in truth I agree with them. 2 things though:
1) Are they saying that because they truely thank God? If so, then I don't see a problem with it. It doesn't really degrade any 1 religion. However, if they are just saying that to make themselves look good then they should probably STFU.
It doesn't cause me severe stress by any means. You can imagine how badly it would go over though if the player said "I think my atheistic worldview has helped me to succeed" after a great performance.
Did you say "2 things"?
Yes, I was going to say something else and then realized I didn't want to say it and forgot to replace 2 with 1. My bad.
Bonn1997 wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:I don't view it as a strong intrusion.....why do people keep saying that. I feel its an unnecessary announcement like say, your watching TV and and your show goes to commercial. Right before it comes back on they say, (your shows title) up now.....like you need to know that. Its unnecessary but, not exactly an intrusion. People are construing a stronger emotional response to their "coming out" than I actually feel. I just think its not necessary, as opposed to personally problematic any way.
Strong, moderate, whatever. Would you have the same reaction if, for example, he said he was a Muslim or a Jain?
I'd like to think so and I rarely talk religion except in the most general of terms. I have Muslim friends, some American born and some here on student visas and a couple of what I call fake Muslim family members. The kind that convert in prison, keep the name but forget everything else. Not sure what a Jain is but, I work in a scholastic environment with people from all walks of life, from all over the world. I've yet to meet someone I couldn't find common ground or a basis for some type of positive interaction.
That's fair enough. After I asked the question, I realized that I actually am not fond of hearing players when being interviewed after games say, "I'd like to thank God for..." or something along those lines. If they want to be religious in their private lives, that's fine though. So maybe our views aren't that far apart. I don't think your view is realistic, though, unless you're going to also say that he can never go on a date in public or hold his partner's hand in public. Surely, people would start to ask him what's going on.
I was just going to say that I don't have a problem with people who say stuff like "I thank God" because in truth I agree with them. 2 things though:
1) Are they saying that because they truely thank God? If so, then I don't see a problem with it. It doesn't really degrade any 1 religion. However, if they are just saying that to make themselves look good then they should probably STFU.
It doesn't cause me severe stress by any means. You can imagine how badly it would go over though if the player said "I think my atheistic worldview has helped me to succeed" after a great performance.
Did you say "2 things"?
If anything, I guess that would be kind of funny in a sick way.
Allanfan20 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:I don't view it as a strong intrusion.....why do people keep saying that. I feel its an unnecessary announcement like say, your watching TV and and your show goes to commercial. Right before it comes back on they say, (your shows title) up now.....like you need to know that. Its unnecessary but, not exactly an intrusion. People are construing a stronger emotional response to their "coming out" than I actually feel. I just think its not necessary, as opposed to personally problematic any way.
Strong, moderate, whatever. Would you have the same reaction if, for example, he said he was a Muslim or a Jain?
I'd like to think so and I rarely talk religion except in the most general of terms. I have Muslim friends, some American born and some here on student visas and a couple of what I call fake Muslim family members. The kind that convert in prison, keep the name but forget everything else. Not sure what a Jain is but, I work in a scholastic environment with people from all walks of life, from all over the world. I've yet to meet someone I couldn't find common ground or a basis for some type of positive interaction.
That's fair enough. After I asked the question, I realized that I actually am not fond of hearing players when being interviewed after games say, "I'd like to thank God for..." or something along those lines. If they want to be religious in their private lives, that's fine though. So maybe our views aren't that far apart. I don't think your view is realistic, though, unless you're going to also say that he can never go on a date in public or hold his partner's hand in public. Surely, people would start to ask him what's going on.
I was just going to say that I don't have a problem with people who say stuff like "I thank God" because in truth I agree with them. 2 things though:
1) Are they saying that because they truely thank God? If so, then I don't see a problem with it. It doesn't really degrade any 1 religion. However, if they are just saying that to make themselves look good then they should probably STFU.
It doesn't cause me severe stress by any means. You can imagine how badly it would go over though if the player said "I think my atheistic worldview has helped me to succeed" after a great performance.
Did you say "2 things"?
If anything, I guess that would be kind of funny in a sick way.
Yeah, the first time it would be funny and bizarre and I probably didn't phrase the sentence well. However, if a player mentioned his atheism at the start of *every single* interview he did (like many players start off by always thanking God), you can imagine how much it would irritate people.
^Exactly. If I was a player I would thank Satan for that very reason. Just to piss everyone off and expose hypocracy
gunsnewing wrote:^Exactly. If I was a player I would thank Satan for that very reason. Just to piss everyone off and expose hipocracy
LOL! Start every interview thanking Satan!
Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:^Exactly. If I was a player I would thank Satan for that very reason. Just to piss everyone off and expose hipocracy
LOL! Start every interview thanking Satan!
Not sure why but, I find that hilarious.
Nalod wrote:sFormer Green Bay Packers safety Leroy Butler offered a few words of support via Twitter. "Congrats to Jason Collins"
Seemingly harmless, but not to the church where Butler had a speech scheduled. A Wisconsin church cancelled Butler's engagement because of support to Collins for being strong enough to come out and announce that he was gay.
Butler tweeted: "Wow, I was scheduled to speak at a church in WI, and a member said that the pastor wants to cancel my event. I said ok why? Then I was told, because I said congrats to Jason Collins on Twitter," Butler wrote. "I said really? we have a contract, he said check the moral cause, FYI the fee was $8,500, then I was told if I removed the tweet, and apologize and ask god forgiveness, I can have the event. I said no, only god can judge."
I'm not one to get into the religious aspect of this whole debate. But churches would condemn millions if they knew about all the others sins that happen daily. I can see where the church has their beliefs and they can cancel out anyone who doesn't share them
.
I have heard people say that the Bible calls in an abomination thought, None of them have ever been able to tell me WHERE or point it out for me. I don't think it actually says that but, you can't reasonable converse with people with Strong religious views. Those conversations have no connection to actual logic in many, many cases. Even though Christianity is supposed to be tolerant, you find a strong level of intolerance among them.
Whats bugs the hell out of me is the way they PICK AND CHOOSE the parts they want to believe in. If you going to hold up the Bible and use it to critique my way of life, then you need to follow it in its ENTIRETY. If not then you are full of (blank) and need to STFU.
A co workers once confronted me about something I said. Quoted to Bible to prove I was "wrong."
I asked if she believe in everything found in her bible and she said yes, that it was the "LIVING WORD OF GOD."
I then asked her if she Honors and Obeys her Husband because that is also in the book. At that point she called me a fool sinner and ended the conversation.
I should some SOME, instead of making it sound all inclusive among Christians.
DurzoBlint wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:^Exactly. If I was a player I would thank Satan for that very reason. Just to piss everyone off and expose hipocracy
LOL! Start every interview thanking Satan!
Not sure why but, I find that hilarious.
I had to let it sink in for a second but then I agreed.
DurzoBlint wrote:Nalod wrote:sFormer Green Bay Packers safety Leroy Butler offered a few words of support via Twitter. "Congrats to Jason Collins"
Seemingly harmless, but not to the church where Butler had a speech scheduled. A Wisconsin church cancelled Butler's engagement because of support to Collins for being strong enough to come out and announce that he was gay.
Butler tweeted: "Wow, I was scheduled to speak at a church in WI, and a member said that the pastor wants to cancel my event. I said ok why? Then I was told, because I said congrats to Jason Collins on Twitter," Butler wrote. "I said really? we have a contract, he said check the moral cause, FYI the fee was $8,500, then I was told if I removed the tweet, and apologize and ask god forgiveness, I can have the event. I said no, only god can judge."
I'm not one to get into the religious aspect of this whole debate. But churches would condemn millions if they knew about all the others sins that happen daily. I can see where the church has their beliefs and they can cancel out anyone who doesn't share them
.
I have heard people say that the Bible calls in an abomination thought, None of them have ever been able to tell me WHERE or point it out for me. I don't think it actually says that but, you can't reasonable converse with people with Strong religious views. Those conversations have no connection to actual logic in many, many cases. Even though Christianity is supposed to be tolerant, you find a strong level of intolerance among them.
Whats bugs the hell out of me is the way they PICK AND CHOOSE the parts they want to believe in. If you going to hold up the Bible and use it to critique my way of life, then you need to follow it in its ENTIRETY. If not then you are full of (blank) and need to STFU.
A co workers once confronted me about something I said. Quoted to Bible to prove I was "wrong."
I asked if she believe in everything found in her bible and she said yes, that it was the "LIVING WORD OF GOD."
I then asked her if she Honors and Obeys her Husband because that is also in the book. At that point she called me a fool sinner and ended the conversation.
I should some SOME, instead of making it sound all inclusive among Christians.
Christianity promotes tolerance. A lot of Christians aren't like that though. A lot of them are hypocrites. We all sin and we all need forgiveness and we all need to stop pointing the finger. Case closed.
DurzoBlint wrote:Nalod wrote:sFormer Green Bay Packers safety Leroy Butler offered a few words of support via Twitter. "Congrats to Jason Collins"
Seemingly harmless, but not to the church where Butler had a speech scheduled. A Wisconsin church cancelled Butler's engagement because of support to Collins for being strong enough to come out and announce that he was gay.
Butler tweeted: "Wow, I was scheduled to speak at a church in WI, and a member said that the pastor wants to cancel my event. I said ok why? Then I was told, because I said congrats to Jason Collins on Twitter," Butler wrote. "I said really? we have a contract, he said check the moral cause, FYI the fee was $8,500, then I was told if I removed the tweet, and apologize and ask god forgiveness, I can have the event. I said no, only god can judge."
I'm not one to get into the religious aspect of this whole debate. But churches would condemn millions if they knew about all the others sins that happen daily. I can see where the church has their beliefs and they can cancel out anyone who doesn't share them
.
I have heard people say that the Bible calls in an abomination thought, None of them have ever been able to tell me WHERE or point it out for me. I don't think it actually says that but, you can't reasonable converse with people with Strong religious views. Those conversations have no connection to actual logic in many, many cases. Even though Christianity is supposed to be tolerant, you find a strong level of intolerance among them.
Whats bugs the hell out of me is the way they PICK AND CHOOSE the parts they want to believe in. If you going to hold up the Bible and use it to critique my way of life, then you need to follow it in its ENTIRETY. If not then you are full of (blank) and need to STFU.
A co workers once confronted me about something I said. Quoted to Bible to prove I was "wrong."
I asked if she believe in everything found in her bible and she said yes, that it was the "LIVING WORD OF GOD."
I then asked her if she Honors and Obeys her Husband because that is also in the book. At that point she called me a fool sinner and ended the conversation.
I should some SOME, instead of making it sound all inclusive among Christians.
This. And as Allanfan is sayin, it's supposed to be a religion preaching tolerance and forgiveness, yet the amount of examples of hypocrisy in the context of tolerance/forgiveness is vast.
I've often thought that if Gawd was the almighty reason for everything that happens, how can't that breed a sense of a apathetic worldview, passiveness and people not taking responsibility for their life/choices. How about crediting yourself with your deeds?
You guys crack me up
with you skewed understanding of the bible.
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.
God created man in his own image.
God not married?
Hmmmmm, maybe god is..........?
Naw! Just messing!
DurzoBlint wrote:Nalod wrote:sFormer Green Bay Packers safety Leroy Butler offered a few words of support via Twitter. "Congrats to Jason Collins"
Seemingly harmless, but not to the church where Butler had a speech scheduled. A Wisconsin church cancelled Butler's engagement because of support to Collins for being strong enough to come out and announce that he was gay.
Butler tweeted: "Wow, I was scheduled to speak at a church in WI, and a member said that the pastor wants to cancel my event. I said ok why? Then I was told, because I said congrats to Jason Collins on Twitter," Butler wrote. "I said really? we have a contract, he said check the moral cause, FYI the fee was $8,500, then I was told if I removed the tweet, and apologize and ask god forgiveness, I can have the event. I said no, only god can judge."
I'm not one to get into the religious aspect of this whole debate. But churches would condemn millions if they knew about all the others sins that happen daily. I can see where the church has their beliefs and they can cancel out anyone who doesn't share them
.
I have heard people say that the Bible calls in an abomination thought, None of them have ever been able to tell me WHERE or point it out for me. I don't think it actually says that but, you can't reasonable converse with people with Strong religious views. Those conversations have no connection to actual logic in many, many cases. Even though Christianity is supposed to be tolerant, you find a strong level of intolerance among them.
Amazing, and all along I thought Jesus taught that lust (a thought) was the same as adultery. And calling someone a name was the same as murder. Hmmmm. Seems pretty intolerant to me.
Christianity isn't about tolerance. God has no tolerance. Look up the word holy some day, and try to understand what the standard actually is. Jesus isn't about toleration of ANY sin, my pet ones, yours, or Jason Collins'. He told the woman caught in the act of adultery, "Go, and sin no more". Not very tolerant.
DurzoBlint wrote:
Whats bugs the hell out of me is the way they PICK AND CHOOSE the parts they want to believe in. If you going to hold up the Bible and use it to critique my way of life, then you need to follow it in its ENTIRETY. If not then you are full of (blank) and need to STFU.
Christians don't get to pick and choose. Nobody does. Conversely you don't want your way of life 'critiqued', but you feel free to decide how Christians need to live out theirs. Interesting logic.
Only one person ever followed it in it's ENTIRETY. And He got turned into hamburger meat for all us sinnners. And He's the reason for all the seasons. There is a wrong and right. It has to be one way. If there's all different ways, then there's all different wrong and rights. You have to stand on something in order to be able to know where you're standing, right?
Peace.
