Knicks · What would you trade Tyson for? (page 1)

You either get a player better at offense, but not defense.

Then we can complain how bad he and Amare are.

We we a very good defensive team with few turnovers.

We need some slightly younger versions of our "tales from the crypt" big man bench.

What you have in KT, Rashweed, Martin and Camby...........

SupremeCommander wrote:Where's the 'don't trade him' option? Because I'm firmly in the camp. Last season wasn't his finest but I do think a healthy Chandler is part of the solution

Nalod wrote:Wonderful to think you'll imporove.

You either get a player better at offense, but not defense.

Then we can complain how bad he and Amare are.

We we a very good defensive team with few turnovers.

We need some slightly younger versions of our "tales from the crypt" big man bench.

What you have in KT, Rashweed, Martin and Camby...........

Very good defense? Not this past year. But Tyson still has value around the league, probably even despite his contract.

Vmart wrote:Trade Chandler to OKC for Thabeet and picks, use the money gained to get Blatche and vet PG. I feel Blatche can be very good addition to the Knicks.

Can't do that. Both teams are over the cap so we'd need to match salaries.

I don't know if it is more contributed to his injury/health *loss of 15pds from strep throat* or if it is a sign of decline after over 10+ years in the league
If Chandler cannot become back a TOP DEFENDER 1v1 and sold help defender, he is a complete waste of cap space and WOodson will continue to ride him instead as well

If I was Portland I would like to trade and sign cheaper options rather than Chandler's 14m salary for 2 more seasons
Considering Rudy Gay who has much more potential to continue to develop was traded for cap space/ 1 2nd round pick/ a old overpayed role player in Prince/ and a undersized PF/C role player, my trade suggestion with Portland is a complete steal

Chandler is more likely to be in huge decline vs the potential of Gay

I honestly would even take the deal for 2 2nd round picks and getting the draft rights of PAP back
The flexibility in going under the tax threshold with sign and trades, trades, ability to keep Copeland, and ability to use 5m on 2 players, and Bi Annual Exemption is worth the trade itself, in addition to the 14m in trade exemption
I just don't see a team giving us a 1st rounder for Chandler, especially a lottery pick and/or a young player
A bad contract like Perkins and a late 1st rounder is possible but I would rather have the trade exemption because of the ability to gain the 5m MLE and bi annual exemption
No disrespect to Chandler but he simply is NOT worth what some of us think he is worth, at least not at his age/performance in play offs

This is my opinion and I did not like how he went to the media to attack our team mates with his performance, instead of keeping it in the locker room
I think he is 100% right but that still does not justify bashing his own team mates with the media

For all the people that voted for option #1
"We need to get an all-star or several very good players in return"
seriously is overvaluing Chandler and is not evaluating his poor play off performance as Chandler was Hibbert's B!^#%
Thing is, just last season when he was voted DPOY, he was locking down Hibbert/D12 *likely was already playing hurt with bad back* with 1v1 coverage and even helped out on TEAM DEF
His play in the middle/late season was putrid and even worse in the play offs
The effort simply was not there as he unable and not willing to cut/fight for position
He loss much mobility, heart, athleticism, and he was exposed for it in addition to his lack of offensive threat

For those same poster's, change the question around, and if you were GM on the other team, what would you trade for Chandler at 14m for 2 more seasons?

IronWillGiroud wrote:option number 5: bag of peanuts and some chewing gums

and a life supply of Theraflu for the next center just in case.

are a couple of free agents that would make much less than Chandler

FA's
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Tiago Splitter
Hickson

Blatche
Brandon Wright
Byron Mullens

Kaman
Dalembert
Timothy Mosgov/Koufus
Tyler Hansborough
McRoberts

possibly worth more than vet min but not unlikely much more
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JO
Chris Anderson
Kmart
Greg Oden *medium risk, high reward*
ZaZa Puchula
Greg Smith

Vet Min
======================
Chris Johnson *Twolves*
Elton Brand
Hiddadyi *could be a sleeper as well, he is a mobile C, similar to Gortat*
Ryan Hollins
Jeremy Tyler
Jerome Jordan *think he is a pretty solid 3rd string C that has improved his abilities to finish/post up/DEF/REBOUND*
Ivan Johnson/Tolliver
Petro
Darko
JJ
Nazr Mohammed

some players to target in trade that are much cheaper than Chandler
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Omer Asik *if D12 signs with Houston*

Gortat *probably all time low in value*

Varejo *just a complete beast that is under payed if he is healthy as a possible 20 rebounds on any given night with over 10pts, a couple steals/blocks/ and even assist
Work's extremley hard on both ends and is a bit frustrating as an opponent with his hustle

DeAndre Jordan *just can't play both Griffen and Jordan TOGETHER when they are both liabilities on the FT line, fearing hack a Griffen/Jordan strategy
KG *has a no trade clause but if Pierce is gone, I can't see KG returning*

Glen Davis

Greg Stimensa/Aaron Gray/Edoh as a cheap options

Trades/FA's that are About the same area or more in terms of salary
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Al Jefferson *solid double double threat but quite undersized at C, could likely range from 8m-12m at his age*

Pau Gasol only makes 6m more but is in the final year of his contract while he is light years ahead of Chandler's offensive/all round skills

D12

Bynum, interesting to see what kind of value and contract he would get

Pekovic one of the top 10-15 OFFENSIVE C's in the league with post skills
He is just very strong, not a prototypical Euro Center and he loves to bang and has good size/strength
Chandler always had problems defending him

Josh Smith *more of a PF/C than a SF in my opinion

Ok4/Nene

Bargani

McGee

These same article/writers/analyst also said Knick's would match up to 1billion dollars for Lin last summer
So DO NOT TRUST WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY
But look at all these FA and trade players to trade for, and re think if you value Tyson Chandler's 14m contract or would they more likely look for cheaper/better options?

Ask yourself what is more likely

Tyson Chandler coming back with an offensive game with the ability to post up after over 10 years + without having one

or

coming back with the same lack of skills and also be in physical decline with age/injuries in terms of speed/mobility/athleticism

????

RonRon wrote:For those same poster's, change the question around, and if you were GM on the other team, what would you trade for Chandler at 14m for 2 more seasons?

are a couple of free agents that would make much less than Chandler

FA's
===============

Tiago Splitter
Hickson

Blatche
Brandon Wright
Byron Mullens

Kaman
Dalembert
Timothy Mosgov/Koufus
Tyler Hansborough
McRoberts

possibly worth more than vet min but not unlikely much more
=============================================================
JO
Chris Anderson
Kmart
Greg Oden *medium risk, high reward*
ZaZa Puchula
Greg Smith

Vet Min
======================
Chris Johnson *Twolves*
Elton Brand
Hiddadyi *could be a sleeper as well, he is a mobile C, similar to Gortat*
Ryan Hollins
Jeremy Tyler
Jerome Jordan *think he is a pretty solid 3rd string C that has improved his abilities to finish/post up/DEF/REBOUND*
Ivan Johnson/Tolliver
Petro
Darko
JJ
Nazr Mohammed

some players to target in trade that are much cheaper than Chandler
===============================================================================

Omer Asik *if D12 signs with Houston*

Gortat *probably all time low in value*

Varejo *just a complete beast that is under payed if he is healthy as a possible 20 rebounds on any given night with over 10pts, a couple steals/blocks/ and even assist
Work's extremley hard on both ends and is a bit frustrating as an opponent with his hustle

DeAndre Jordan *just can't play both Griffen and Jordan TOGETHER when they are both liabilities on the FT line, fearing hack a Griffen/Jordan strategy
KG *has a no trade clause but if Pierce is gone, I can't see KG returning*

Glen Davis

Greg Stimensa/Aaron Gray/Edoh as a cheap options

Trades/FA's that are About the same area or more in terms of salary
=============================================================================

Al Jefferson *solid double double threat but quite undersized at C, could likely range from 8m-12m at his age*

Pau Gasol only makes 6m more but is in the final year of his contract while he is light years ahead of Chandler's offensive/all round skills

D12

Bynum, interesting to see what kind of value and contract he would get

Pekovic one of the top 10-15 OFFENSIVE C's in the league with post skills
He is just very strong, not a prototypical Euro Center and he loves to bang and has good size/strength
Chandler always had problems defending him

Josh Smith *more of a PF/C than a SF in my opinion

Ok4/Nene

Bargani

McGee

These same article/writers/analyst also said Knick's would match up to 1billion dollars for Lin last summer
So DO NOT TRUST WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY
But look at all these FA and trade players to trade for, and re think if you value Tyson Chandler's 14m contract or would they more likely look for cheaper/better options?

The 14 m in salary isn't really a big deal to other teams because the salaries have to match in a trade - it just means the other team would be dumping a lot of salary on us too. It's not like we'd be asking the other team to *add* $14 mil to their payroll. Obviously it would be easier to trade him if he were paid less but I don't think it's as big a restriction as you do, especially since the deal is an expiring contract in a year.

at 7.8 this year, 8.4 next season, and 9.2 the final year

vs

13.6 this year, 14.1 next season, and 14.6 in the final year

I also forgot about Kris Humphries for teams looking for a rental that wouldn't require much or any assets as a salary dump at PF/C
He is probably a solid double double threat if he get's the minutes to do so

RonRon wrote:Bonn, only player that I could think of that would fit in that category is for Perkins because he also sucks big donkeys
And even his salary is a bit more than half of what Chandler makes

at 7.8 this year, 8.4 next season, and 9.2 the final year

vs

13.6 this year, 14.1 next season, and 14.6 in the final year

I also forgot about Kris Humphries for teams looking for a rental that wouldn't require much or any assets as a salary dump at PF/C
He is probably a solid double double threat if he get's the minutes to do so

Regarding your other point, here is a list of players you could easily match salary wise with Tyson:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nbas-top-50-hi...

Bonn1997 wrote:Prefer? You wouldn't even demand a trade exception? You'd trade him just for 2 2nd round picks and a really bad overpaid player?

Regarding your other point, here is a list of players you could easily match salary wise with Tyson:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nbas-top-50-hi...

TPE is implied?

Bonn1997 wrote:Prefer? You wouldn't even demand a trade exception? You'd trade him just for 2 2nd round picks and a really bad overpaid player?

Regarding your other point, here is a list of players you could easily match salary wise with Tyson:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nbas-top-50-hi...

No, I said I PREFER a trade exemption vs a bad contract, only teams that are under the cap and can absorb his contract can give this to us
That is why I see Portland as a more realistic team

for example, OKC can trade us Sefelosha/Collison/ and the bad contract of Perkins
They have picks 29 and 32, but if they just gave us one of those picks, and that trade, we would not be under the tax threshold and have the 5m MLE and Bi annual Exemption
In addition to not being able to match Copeland's salary over 3m and if we do, IT MUST come out of our mini MLE, which is hard with the holes to fill
I like Sefolosha and Collison as role players but unless we can get BOTH picks, I would much prefer a trade with Portland for the trade exemption and the benefits of removing 14m of our books

And if we did do such a deal with OKC with their 2 picks (picks 28 and 32, I cannot see them partying with the 12 pick), I think we have to try to trade Pablo and Copeland to SA for 2 2nd round picks, 1 next year, and the salary exemption
I would like to keep Copeland but for the team but another team can just offer 3.2m and if Copeland signs, we get NOTHING back for him
The draft start's before FA's in which we could still deal our players, acquire draft picks/trades, and make decisions for our future...

With the trade exemption, Mark Cuban said they want to clear salary and will be willing to part with their pick for some salary removal with Marion, maybe others....
In the other thread, I also state how I would try to absorb Marion's contract for their Dallas's pick at 13 *selected for us*, in addition to players like Carter/Wright or Kaman
But it would have to be on principle because I want the luxury of being able to use

the 5m MLE and 2m Bi Annual Exemption FIRST, so in the start of FA since trade exemptions could be used in up to a year when it was acquired
Problem is we give Cuban the chance to screw us and try to get better offers though...