If Granger returns and takes Stephenson's place in the starting line up for the Pacers, Cope is competing with 5 guys for minutes on the second unit. Who does he get minutes over? Mahini, Watson, Stephenson or Hill? Again, I like Cope but I don't see this as a good situation for him. I think he is the Pacers version of Gerald Green this year.
playa2@ 7/17/2013 5:32 AM
CrushAlot wrote:If Granger returns and takes Stephenson's place in the starting line up for the Pacers, Cope is competing with 5 guys for minutes on the second unit. Who does he get minutes over? Mahini, Watson, Stephenson or Hill? Again, I like Cope but I don't see this as a good situation for him. I think he is the Pacers version of Gerald Green this year.
He will be a situational player why can't he take Hansbrough minutes or the PF Pendergrast they lost at free agency to . When they need points he would be inserted and that's a guarantee ! He's getting paid more MONEY !
gunsnewing@ 7/17/2013 8:00 AM
Pacers are trading Granger and they will get great value. Farther distancing themselves from the Knicks
IronWillGiroud@ 7/17/2013 8:02 AM
Copeland for dropping buckets,
Metta for scaring people in the paint,
we need the scary paint more than the drop buckets, though we need to drop buckets too a little bit, so cope is missed and metta is a good replacement
Panos@ 7/17/2013 8:05 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Anji wrote:Artest not being the Allstar he used to be doesn't mean he isn't still better than Copeland for this team.
Agreed. It's coincidental that he's neither an all-star nor as effective as Copeland.
Are you joking about him not being as effective as Cope? I honestly don't expect much from Cope this year and I don't think the Pacers improved unless Granger somehow makes it back.
Artest was average to below average last year in all phases of the game. Copeland at least does one thing well (score). Most of the metrics put him ahead of Artest.
Bonn, what is your scenario about the Knicks being able to sign Copeland this year? He got more than we can offer. Why are we comparing him to Artest who we got for less than Copeland would accept?
Bonn1997@ 7/17/2013 8:45 AM
Panos wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Anji wrote:Artest not being the Allstar he used to be doesn't mean he isn't still better than Copeland for this team.
Agreed. It's coincidental that he's neither an all-star nor as effective as Copeland.
Are you joking about him not being as effective as Cope? I honestly don't expect much from Cope this year and I don't think the Pacers improved unless Granger somehow makes it back.
Artest was average to below average last year in all phases of the game. Copeland at least does one thing well (score). Most of the metrics put him ahead of Artest.
Bonn, what is your scenario about the Knicks being able to sign Copeland this year? He got more than we can offer. Why are we comparing him to Artest who we got for less than Copeland would accept?
I was just playing along with the thread. You're right that a discussion of Copeland vs. Prigs plus Artest would be more reasonable.
Panos@ 7/17/2013 9:49 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Panos wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Anji wrote:Artest not being the Allstar he used to be doesn't mean he isn't still better than Copeland for this team.
Agreed. It's coincidental that he's neither an all-star nor as effective as Copeland.
Are you joking about him not being as effective as Cope? I honestly don't expect much from Cope this year and I don't think the Pacers improved unless Granger somehow makes it back.
Artest was average to below average last year in all phases of the game. Copeland at least does one thing well (score). Most of the metrics put him ahead of Artest.
Bonn, what is your scenario about the Knicks being able to sign Copeland this year? He got more than we can offer. Why are we comparing him to Artest who we got for less than Copeland would accept?
I was just playing along with the thread. You're right that a discussion of Copeland vs. Prigs plus Artest would be more reasonable.
Yes, that's more like it.
playa2@ 7/17/2013 10:43 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Pacers are trading Granger and they will get great value. Farther distancing themselves from the Knicks
If the Pacers are trading the injury plagued Granger , they are sold on Copeland's ability on the court. Knicks fans didn't see what we had because of NY politics concerning fan favorites on the Knicks.
playa2@ 7/17/2013 10:55 AM
Look at these transitions and Iso shots when he has the green light(45 pts).
Who does this remind you of...... Melo of course that's why we didn't offer him a contract.
tj23@ 7/17/2013 11:11 AM
playa2 wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
playa2 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
playa2 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:isn't the question here "who would you rather have, Artest and Prigioni or Copeland?"
we got a starting SF and a backup PG for the same price it would've cost us to keep Copeland.
Copeland's a nice player but at 29, he is what he is - a pretty good scorer who gets lost defensively.
while Artest may not have the quickness he used to, he still has great hands and great defensive anticipation. he can easily guard the more physical forwards that melo had to guard last year.
There also is a huge intimidation factor with Ron. He will 'go there' and has the rep of being a little off center. The Knicks could have used that against Indy.
We needed points against INDY and if you watch the clip, we had their defense running around & confused when the ball moved around in the last 4 min of the game. Then Melo turned it over twice in a row and that shifted the momentum. We weren't going to defend them every time down we needed buckets and that where Copeland comes in!
Hopefully this year that is where Bargs comes in. Bargs in clips I have seen is a very hard cover for Hibbert.
Hibbert or Hansbrough or West couldn't defend Copeland.
Copeland's offensive game was never in question...the guy can straight score. His defense is terrible. Not hating just calling a spade a spade.
Watch the 5 MIN clip Melo's defense is worst, and nobody says a word. LOL
Nope. Tyson's D was worse. But Melo wasn't much better.
playa2@ 7/17/2013 4:18 PM
playa2 wrote:Look at these transitions and Iso shots when he has the green light(45 pts).
Who does this remind you of...... Melo of course that's why we didn't offer him a contract.
DID ANYONE SEE THIS CLIP ? I know it's a lesser league but cmon
