Melonoma wrote:LMAO if you think the Cavs would trade Waiters for Shumpert + anyone on our roster + whatever picks we have to offer. This isn't 2k.Knick fans overrate their own players more than any other team. Shumpert isn't looked at as an extremely valuable piece by other teams. We had one shot to unload him for a better player in Nash and we blew that.
You can blame ESPN for this particular rumor. If it's true, you have to wonder how much of a cancer Waiters is.
Finestrg wrote:I don't know man. He's strong, I like his game but his habitually low shooting % gives me pause (even the 1 year in college). Not sure there's much difference between Waiters and Dominique Jones (nbadraft.net gave this comparison). Jones might be the better player pound for pound; he's definitely more PG oriented, a better passer and has a better handle. Might be just as good an offensive player as well (he was at South Florida). Jones just needs a full-time NBA commitment and PT somewhere...Not sure D. Jones is even in the league at this point -- does Dallas still have him?? We could go get that guy for nothing probably and save Shump for something more substantial (reclamating him back to respectability in the meantime). Jermaine Taylor is another 6'5"-ish 2G that I've always been pretty high on. Again, if we want this type of player--an instant offense type 2G in the 6'4" range--go get Taylor and save Shump for something else, or just build him back up.Curious -- what do Cavs fans think of this proposed deal? Anyone have a pulse of what Cleveland fans think of this?
He looks like an above average shooter according to his shot chart:
http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.htm... He just can't seem to finish at the rim. Kinda similar to the same problems Shump has scoring.
The kids a cancer. I don't want him other than to leverage his potential for someone that can help us e.g. Aaron Afflalo and/or Paul Millsap. I think we'd be kidding ourselves though if we thought Shumpert could get Waiters but then again, Cleveland's front office is filled with idiots that outclass even some of the guys we've had in the past.
CrushAlot wrote:Deng or Turner would be great pick ups if their teams are looking to move them. Can't imagine the Bulls or Sixers would move either guy to NY for a Shump package.
Deng, I see because Shumpert is essentially a poor man's version of him with the potential to improve, at a fraction of the cost and capable of playing the 2, which allows Jimmy Butler to play his natural position. Turner? Not a chance; he's always been better and is playing too well now.
Vmart wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Only if we get Jarret Jack in return also.
I agree with this. Send Jr. Smith to Philly for Turner too.
Why would this make any sense for Philly: Add a veteran that is a bit of a headcase to a team that is looking to rebuild? Makes no sense.
skeng wrote:I have a question for the CBAxperts - if we traded for Turner, would he be a restricted FA or what? Would we be able to even pay him?
No, we would not retain his bird rights. We'd only keep those Bird Rights if we had him on the team for 3 seasons. Since he's entering his last contract year, we'd have to compete against the market for him.
Melonoma wrote:LMAO if you think the Cavs would trade Waiters for Shumpert + anyone on our roster + whatever picks we have to offer. This isn't 2k.Knick fans overrate their own players more than any other team. Shumpert isn't looked at as an extremely valuable piece by other teams. We had one shot to unload him for a better player in Nash and we blew that.
Thankfully we blew that (the Nash trade). Imagine how nightmarish it would be to have him on the roster right now, unable to play and committed to a $9 million per year deal for 2 more seasons.
BRIGGS wrote:Wow the clev. Gm stinks
I sometimes wonder if it's the owner moreso than the GM. I thought Ferry was similarly God awful when he was with them but he doesn't seem to be doing too bad in Atlanta, although it's nothing to be impressed about. Meanwhile, Dan Gilbert wreaks of a rich douchebag asshole with an undeserved confidence. I think a lot of their moves reflect that aura because there should've been no reason for them to think that they could compete and add a big ticket veteran like Jarret Jack and terrible contracts like Andrew Bynum and Earl Clark.
NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Wow the clev. Gm stinks
I sometimes wonder if it's the GM or moreso than owner. I thought Ferry was similarly God awful but he doesn't seem to be doing too bad in Atlanta, although it's nothing to be impressed about.
Other than the Bynum signing and possibly Bennett, I don't think he's been that horrible.
If Cleveland offered that trade ny would be stupid not to do it waiters can be a star next to melo. Shump has a long way to go.
fitzfarm wrote:If Cleveland offered that trade ny would be stupid not to do it waiters can be a star next to melo. Shump has a long way to go.
I would do it if nothing else of relevance is available. I would not do a deal just to do one but shumpert looks like he needs a change and so does waiters. It might be a win win
Dion Waiters: "Without a doubt, I really believe that [I’ll eventually be the best shooting guard in the NBA]. This year, I’m going to show a lot of people who doubted me and still doubt me. I’m going to show them. And I don’t need praise and all of that. I just want to be respected. I’m coming. That’s all I have to say. I’ve taken my work ethic to another level and I feel as though I still have something to prove. So, watch out."
He and Melo had the green light when they were stars at Syracuse, neither one can play defense and want the ball in their hands.
The two would be combustible relationship. Waiters claimed that Kyrie Irving has the ball in his hands too much, and he and Tristan Thompson don't want to pass him the ball unless he's wide open. LOL
Watching him at cuse and now in Cleveland he's a special talent why the knock on defense he looks better on that side of the ball then any knick right now... I think waiters would flourish in nyc and be a star. If we could some how get Lin back a Lin waiters melo amare Tyson or Andre would be fun to watch
NardDogNation wrote:Vmart wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Only if we get Jarret Jack in return also.
I agree with this. Send Jr. Smith to Philly for Turner too.
Why would this make any sense for Philly: Add a veteran that is a bit of a headcase to a team that is looking to rebuild? Makes no sense.
Supposedly they were rumored to be offering JR during free agency. But then I can see Philly just laughing in the NYK face with that and mine because Turner is a very good player and JR is well you all know.
Is there a way to pair waiters with Irving in a deal hahaha
The trade is a lateral move. We'd be getting more talent in exchange for more headcase. The Knicks can't groom talent, remember that. We need high character guys who can also play.
playa2 wrote:Dion Waiters: "Without a doubt, I really believe that [I’ll eventually be the best shooting guard in the NBA]. This year, I’m going to show a lot of people who doubted me and still doubt me. I’m going to show them. And I don’t need praise and all of that. I just want to be respected. I’m coming. That’s all I have to say. I’ve taken my work ethic to another level and I feel as though I still have something to prove. So, watch out."He and Melo had the green light when they were stars at Syracuse, neither one can play defense and want the ball in their hands.
The two would be combustible relationship. Waiters claimed that Kyrie Irving has the ball in his hands too much, and he and Tristan Thompson don't want to pass him the ball unless he's wide open. LOL
He will see a lot if the same here Melo doesn't pass and JR doesn't do that essentially he would be in the same predicament.
If they offer waiters for shump mills has to say yes it's a no brainer
Vmart wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Vmart wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Only if we get Jarret Jack in return also.
I agree with this. Send Jr. Smith to Philly for Turner too.
Why would this make any sense for Philly: Add a veteran that is a bit of a headcase to a team that is looking to rebuild? Makes no sense.
Supposedly they were rumored to be offering JR during free agency. But then I can see Philly just laughing in the NYK face with that and mine because Turner is a very good player and JR is well you all know.
I don't think Philly wants to tie up cap space so I don't know if they take JR. I think that was why they didn't give Turner a qualifying offer. He is playing great. I know he was really upset about Jrue being traded.
BigDaddyG wrote:NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Wow the clev. Gm stinks
I sometimes wonder if it's the GM or moreso than owner. I thought Ferry was similarly God awful but he doesn't seem to be doing too bad in Atlanta, although it's nothing to be impressed about.
Other than the Bynum signing and possibly Bennett, I don't think he's been that horrible.
Take Kyrie Irving away from the Cavs, which had more to do with luck than skill, and what are you left with? The worst team in the NBA by a landslide. They have developed a consistent track record for overpaying talent and drafting guys that either are picked too high (Tristan Thompson over Jonas V, Kawhi Leonard and Klay Thompson) or are flat out busts (Luke Jackson, Shannon Brown, and soon enough, Anthony Bennett). They are actually run worse than we are, which says a lot.
