Knicks · Marc Stein: Raptors and Knicks working on Lowry Deal (page 4)

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Judging how much better this team looks without Felton at the point it's a deal worth making. This franchise is already too far gone to worry about picks now. That ship has sailed. Might as well keep digging and go for Lowry. He's a legit PG.

Then you can say goodbye to cap space in 2015 as well.

What does Lowry's contract look like?

gunsnewing wrote:Lowry walks or is tradeable how does that effect 2015 unless we drastically over pay him

Because we will drastically over pay him

gunsnewing wrote:Lowry could be someone you build around in 2015 if he plays well here. Let's face it the PG position is nearly impossible to fill with an above average player

He's 28

Clean wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If Wojo is correct Felton Artest & a 1st rounder in 2018 for Lowry that's a steal. Believe it when I see it. Rumored deals never go down exactly as expected

Please explain how losing a 1st rounder for a 5 month rental is a steal?

Yeah, please explain.

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 4m
And at last report, Toronto was said to be seeking TWO of the following three: Shumpert, Hardaway Jr., Future First. A bit pricey, I'd say

Clean wrote:OMG he is trying to do it AGAIN!

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 4m
And at last report, Toronto was said to be seeking TWO of the following three: Shumpert, Hardaway Jr., Future First. A bit pricey, I'd say

Truly a sad day in the art of GMing.

gunsnewing wrote:Lowry walks or is tradeable how does that effect 2015 unless we drastically over pay him

How can we afford not to pay him if we trade for him and give up essentially 2#1 picks? Shumpert and 2018? for 60 games in a season where we are 5-16?

I still dont think this makes us a good team but wed improve.

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Judging how much better this team looks without Felton at the point it's a deal worth making. This franchise is already too far gone to worry about picks now. That ship has sailed. Might as well keep digging and go for Lowry. He's a legit PG.

Then you can say goodbye to cap space in 2015 as well.

What does Lowry's contract look like?

He's in the last year of his deal making a little over $6M.

Clean wrote:OMG he is trying to do it AGAIN!

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 4m
And at last report, Toronto was said to be seeking TWO of the following three: Shumpert, Hardaway Jr., Future First. A bit pricey, I'd say

Ha ha, he has no shame. They got Lowry last year for 1st rounder. Since then his value has declined due to injuries and he is a FA this offseason. Yet somehow his value has now doubled to essentially 2 first rounders.

WALK THE F*** AWAY FROM THIS! Don't let any member of this organisation talk to Ujiri ever again.

Mosgov
Gallo
Chandler
Felton
Corey Brewer
Anthony Randolph
Probably the number one pick in the 2014 draft
Probably a top five pick in the 2016 draft.

Do not deal with this man!

Clean wrote:OMG he is trying to do it AGAIN!

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 4m
And at last report, Toronto was said to be seeking TWO of the following three: Shumpert, Hardaway Jr., Future First. A bit pricey, I'd say

GTFO typical

gunsnewing wrote:

Clean wrote:OMG he is trying to do it AGAIN!

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 4m
And at last report, Toronto was said to be seeking TWO of the following three: Shumpert, Hardaway Jr., Future First. A bit pricey, I'd say

GTFO typical

Once he said that on the Phone I would have told him to have a nice day and hung up the phone. We can not bend over for this guy again.

Clean wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Clean wrote:OMG he is trying to do it AGAIN!

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 4m
And at last report, Toronto was said to be seeking TWO of the following three: Shumpert, Hardaway Jr., Future First. A bit pricey, I'd say

GTFO typical

Once he said that on the Phone I would have told him to have a nice day and hung up the phone. We can not bend over for this guy again.

The agent will want to get him to NY--the Knicks are going to have to pay him and the agent knows it. If he plays well here--expect 5 years 40mm at a minimum.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/knicks-purs...

The New York Knicks are pursuing Toronto point guard Kyle Lowry with a package of Raymond Felton, Metta World Peace and a 2018 first-round draft pick, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

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Kyle Lowry is averaging 14.6 points and 6.7 assists. (USA Today)
Toronto is discussing deals for Lowry with an ever-growing list of teams, league sources said.
Several teams are pursuing Lowry, but the Knicks' most direct competition for him could come from the Brooklyn Nets, who are also exploring the possibility of a deal, league sources said.

Within the Knicks, there's hesitance on including the draft pick, but there's no chance a deal for Lowry could get done without it, sources said. Nevertheless, there's still doubt on how long New York will keep a pick on the table, sources said.

Toronto officials have been scouting and calling European contacts on Bojan Bogdanovic, a 24-year-old shooting guard with whom the Nets own the rights, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

The Knicks have lost Felton for two to three weeks with a hamstring injury. He has been largely ineffective for most of the season.

Lowry has wanted a trade for most of the season and the Raptors became more motivated to move him after acquiring point guard Greiveis Vasquez in a deal with the Sacramento Kings.

World Peace, who signed as free agent this summer, can't be traded until Sunday, per league rules. Freshly signed free agents aren't eligible to be included in trades until Dec. 15.

nyk4ever wrote:in this case... dont even think twice. this trade has to be made.

Wojo is telling you what the Knicks want and the ESPN guy is telling you what the Raps want. I don't like either trade but I think it is obvious which one is coming from the GM that has beat us down in 2 trades previously. Plus the ESPN guy is the one who broke the news on my timeline.

VCoug wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I dunno about this at all. Just screams out 'lateral move.' Just the thought of losing anymore picks and/or adding more salary, depending on the scope of this deal, makes my skin crawl. And to make this move w/o even giving the kid Murry any kind of a chance at all to see if he could help first is just straight up dumb. Then there's the FACTOID that there are a good 3-4 solid FA PGs we could pick up right now FOR NOTHING that would be just as good as Lowry, more exciting and BETTER probably. I just can't comprehend how we go about our business at all.

Who are these free agents that are better than Lowry? And Lowry is in the last year of his contract so we wouldn't be adding salary past this season.

Pierre Jackson and Seth Curry -- I'd take my chances with both of those guys over Lowry. Complete no-brainer if there ever was one. They're both dominating the hell outta the DL and would do well here. The 1st good game either guy had, it would blow the lid right off the Garden Linsanity style. Book it. This Pierre Jackson just put up a 43 pt game for Idaho! And his team is undefeated btw. 5-0...And now we're hearing the Knicks will include a 1st round pick to get this done. WHAT???!!? Please dear God NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Learn from you mistakes, Christ almighty!!!!!! When does it end? No more picks!!! Definitely not for Kyle Lowry -- he's a middle-of-the-road NBA PG, on par with a healthy Raymond Felton when you get right down to it....Investigate signing Jeremy Pargo or Curtis Jerrells who may be playing in Europe at the moment. Who else -- lemme see -- call up Houston and see what the price would be for Isaiah Canaan. Another youngster who's really come on of late in the DL for Houston's affilate...I betcha it would be less than what Ujiri's asking for Lowry. And maybe we could even expand a deal to include Amar'e -- probably not but you never know. Gotta look at each teams' salary structure to get a better idea. STAT's playing better now though, they're going for it all and there may have been prior interest. Still PGs out there after this -- where's Sherron Collins these days? Talented PG who won it all at Kansas in college. I don't love Kendall Marshall but he has played well in the DL. Rodrigue Beaubois? Not a pure point but the man's talented and available--actually showed some nice budding PG skills while in Dallas.. Reinvestigate signing Bobby Brown -- doesn't the Chinese season end early? Get creative here...Kyle Lowry's not Magic Johnson, come on. Not a guy you surrender you last couple of tangible future assets for. He'd be a lateral move. I'd pass on this -- look for help elsewhere, that's the ticket for us right now. And then do we really bring back Steve Novak and his salary in a deal IN ADDITION to giving up a future 1st round pick? Come on, man. This is ridiculous. I can see why we're interested, OK, but once we heard the price, hang up the damn phone and go sign Pierre Jackson! I mean what are we talking about here? I don't know how much better they think Kyle Lowry would make us -- and to give up assets (Shumpert? THJ? a pick?) and possibly add salary to boot - Steve Novak? GTFOH is right!