Knicks · It's clear Woodson is the weak link(ACCORDING TO MELO) (page 4)
playa2 wrote:Play Bargani and Amare and make iHbbert come out with a Iso and they shot jump shots one on one, just like they clear out for Melo. NO Brainer !
Play Bargs at center and do not play KMart or CHandler while Hibbert is on the floor. Pacers hide Hibbert on those two since they can't hit a shot. Hibbert then tends to roam when defending them. So play Bargs at center and Melo PNR with whoever Hibbert is guarding EVERY time. This and off ball movement will make Hibbert useless as a defender. This also has the added benefit of having Bargs play Hibbert on D.
This might seem like a lot of work but having Hibbert guard the rim is a game changer.
playa2 wrote:Woody needs to tell Melo,"STOP TRYING TO DUNK ON HIBBERT" it gives the Pacers such a boost when Hibbert blocks his dunk successfully.I don't understand why Melo tries to dunk on teams with a bonifide center unless the center is defending from the foul line.
Major momentum changer just like the playoff game.
Funny, if not you'll say "attack the rim!!!"
Get Hibbert in foul trouble?
Dunk on him and change the game in our favor and quiet the building.
If Not felton, then who? ToePriggy? Beno? Or the magical Murry to emerge form fantasy?
Naw, its the coach!!!!!!!
Funny, many would blast MDA for taking jump shots.
Its good fans don't hire and fire coach.
BigDaddyG wrote:dk7th wrote:Nalod wrote:There is an underlying stench on this years team. Not sure we know whats really going on.djsunyc already said what it is : melo opened his piehole and stated he wanted to test free agency and right before the start of the season too.
what was said cannot be unsaid. great leadership moment from melo. yay melo
smith is also a cancer. without sheed and thomas and kidd to keep order woodson is simply overwhelmed.
with no vets around the team had to implode... which it pretty much has.
implosion means ending up at around 37 wins, give or take a few games.
I doubt other players care much about a teammate's free agency plans. LeBron and Bosh are testing the market and I don't see their teammates sulking. It's a business. Smith being a cancer is undeniable. It hurts even more because we had an option in THJ and we still let Smith run wild. But I think if anything set the tone this season, it was the firing of our GM just before the start of the season. Our owner decided to start the season tumultuously and, surprise, it's carried over to the season.
they're not sulking because they have been to the finals three years in a row and have won the last two! what the hell has melo done since he came here? dude is a loser so of course players are going to be affected: the guy wants to leave a situation after having had a hand in creating it, and with absolutely nothing to show for it?!?
smith meanwhile is giving off that distinctive marbury vibe. can't be much more toxic than that. he should be suspended from the team for conduct detrimental if he isn't going to sack up.
i agree that dolan's infernal interference was a big part of things. he can't help but be destructive. it's his calling card and it is amazing how he does this year after year after year.
but a big problem is that woodson plays favorites-- always has, and it hurts the cause. hardaway has some really nice upside. i feel bad for the kid.
gunsnewing wrote:Who you kidding? Mike Wudsen is a ball of fame coach
Lol
Bonn1997 wrote:He needs to give Melo the JR treatment. You can't have players undermine you like this. Worst case scenario, Dolan pays him to stay away from this mess for the rest of his contract. Best case scenario, Melo actually takes his coach seriously again.
Melo is Woodson's bread and butter. Give him the JR treatment stop you hating ways.
dk7th wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:dk7th wrote:Nalod wrote:There is an underlying stench on this years team. Not sure we know whats really going on.djsunyc already said what it is : melo opened his piehole and stated he wanted to test free agency and right before the start of the season too.
what was said cannot be unsaid. great leadership moment from melo. yay melo
smith is also a cancer. without sheed and thomas and kidd to keep order woodson is simply overwhelmed.
with no vets around the team had to implode... which it pretty much has.
implosion means ending up at around 37 wins, give or take a few games.
I doubt other players care much about a teammate's free agency plans. LeBron and Bosh are testing the market and I don't see their teammates sulking. It's a business. Smith being a cancer is undeniable. It hurts even more because we had an option in THJ and we still let Smith run wild. But I think if anything set the tone this season, it was the firing of our GM just before the start of the season. Our owner decided to start the season tumultuously and, surprise, it's carried over to the season.they're not sulking because they have been to the finals three years in a row and have won the last two! what the hell has melo done since he came here? dude is a loser so of course players are going to be affected: the guy wants to leave a situation after having had a hand in creating it, and with absolutely nothing to show for it?!?
smith meanwhile is giving off that distinctive marbury vibe. can't be much more toxic than that. he should be suspended from the team for conduct detrimental if he isn't going to sack up.
i agree that dolan's infernal interference was a big part of things. he can't help but be destructive. it's his calling card and it is amazing how he does this year after year after year.
but a big problem is that woodson plays favorites-- always has, and it hurts the cause. hardaway has some really nice upside. i feel bad for the kid.
Why?
http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/
holfresh wrote:Knicks got beat by a better team on their home court..This had nothing to do with adjustments...Melo is the only guy for the Knicks who showed up, again..Felton played hard...If Stevenson and George are hitting long jumpers, I want to know what adjustments Woodson could make to get the Knicks back in the game...Poster use these moments to vent their inner frustrations with no real concrete analysis from the game..This was done in the second quarter..I would love to hear what adjustments needed to made...
I like what your saying and agree with it. There was nothing that these currently coached Knicks team can do against the Pacers. They don't have the fundamentals for good defense and they lack leadership on offense.
holfresh wrote:Yet another silly thread...Same as last playoffs..Knicks have the best player on the court, the Pacers have the next best 7...Own up to it and stop making excuses...Like another coach will make Chandler and Shump play better...+1. Not much more to say. Pretty amazing that the Knicks were able to do as well as they did last spring against these guys with a hobbled Melo, and Tyson, Kidd and Jr going home after the Celtic series.
dk7th wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:dk7th wrote:Nalod wrote:There is an underlying stench on this years team. Not sure we know whats really going on.djsunyc already said what it is : melo opened his piehole and stated he wanted to test free agency and right before the start of the season too.
what was said cannot be unsaid. great leadership moment from melo. yay melo
smith is also a cancer. without sheed and thomas and kidd to keep order woodson is simply overwhelmed.
with no vets around the team had to implode... which it pretty much has.
implosion means ending up at around 37 wins, give or take a few games.
I doubt other players care much about a teammate's free agency plans. LeBron and Bosh are testing the market and I don't see their teammates sulking. It's a business. Smith being a cancer is undeniable. It hurts even more because we had an option in THJ and we still let Smith run wild. But I think if anything set the tone this season, it was the firing of our GM just before the start of the season. Our owner decided to start the season tumultuously and, surprise, it's carried over to the season.they're not sulking because they have been to the finals three years in a row and have won the last two! what the hell has melo done since he came here? dude is a loser so of course players are going to be affected: the guy wants to leave a situation after having had a hand in creating it, and with absolutely nothing to show for it?!?
smith meanwhile is giving off that distinctive marbury vibe. can't be much more toxic than that. he should be suspended from the team for conduct detrimental if he isn't going to sack up.
i agree that dolan's infernal interference was a big part of things. he can't help but be destructive. it's his calling card and it is amazing how he does this year after year after year.
but a big problem is that woodson plays favorites-- always has, and it hurts the cause. hardaway has some really nice upside. i feel bad for the kid.
If anything it shows that the Heat players care more. You think Jr Smith even thinks about Melo's free agency status when he goes clubbing after tonight's game?
dk7th wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:dk7th wrote:Nalod wrote:There is an underlying stench on this years team. Not sure we know whats really going on.djsunyc already said what it is : melo opened his piehole and stated he wanted to test free agency and right before the start of the season too.
what was said cannot be unsaid. great leadership moment from melo. yay melo
smith is also a cancer. without sheed and thomas and kidd to keep order woodson is simply overwhelmed.
with no vets around the team had to implode... which it pretty much has.
implosion means ending up at around 37 wins, give or take a few games.
I doubt other players care much about a teammate's free agency plans. LeBron and Bosh are testing the market and I don't see their teammates sulking. It's a business. Smith being a cancer is undeniable. It hurts even more because we had an option in THJ and we still let Smith run wild. But I think if anything set the tone this season, it was the firing of our GM just before the start of the season. Our owner decided to start the season tumultuously and, surprise, it's carried over to the season.they're not sulking because they have been to the finals three years in a row and have won the last two! what the hell has melo done since he came here? dude is a loser so of course players are going to be affected: the guy wants to leave a situation after having had a hand in creating it, and with absolutely nothing to show for it?!?
smith meanwhile is giving off that distinctive marbury vibe. can't be much more toxic than that. he should be suspended from the team for conduct detrimental if he isn't going to sack up.
i agree that dolan's infernal interference was a big part of things. he can't help but be destructive. it's his calling card and it is amazing how he does this year after year after year.
but a big problem is that woodson plays favorites-- always has, and it hurts the cause. hardaway has some really nice upside. i feel bad for the kid.
If anything it shows that the Heat players care more. You think Jr Smith even thinks about Melo's free agency status when he goes clubbing after tonight's game?
holfresh wrote:Knicks got beat by a better team on their home court..This had nothing to do with adjustments...Melo is the only guy for the Knicks who showed up, again..Felton played hard...If Stevenson and George are hitting long jumpers, I want to know what adjustments Woodson could make to get the Knicks back in the game...Poster use these moments to vent their inner frustrations with no real concrete analysis from the game..This was done in the second quarter..I would love to hear what adjustments needed to made...
Spot-on.....
BigDaddyG wrote:dk7th wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:dk7th wrote:Nalod wrote:There is an underlying stench on this years team. Not sure we know whats really going on.djsunyc already said what it is : melo opened his piehole and stated he wanted to test free agency and right before the start of the season too.
what was said cannot be unsaid. great leadership moment from melo. yay melo
smith is also a cancer. without sheed and thomas and kidd to keep order woodson is simply overwhelmed.
with no vets around the team had to implode... which it pretty much has.
implosion means ending up at around 37 wins, give or take a few games.
I doubt other players care much about a teammate's free agency plans. LeBron and Bosh are testing the market and I don't see their teammates sulking. It's a business. Smith being a cancer is undeniable. It hurts even more because we had an option in THJ and we still let Smith run wild. But I think if anything set the tone this season, it was the firing of our GM just before the start of the season. Our owner decided to start the season tumultuously and, surprise, it's carried over to the season.they're not sulking because they have been to the finals three years in a row and have won the last two! what the hell has melo done since he came here? dude is a loser so of course players are going to be affected: the guy wants to leave a situation after having had a hand in creating it, and with absolutely nothing to show for it?!?
smith meanwhile is giving off that distinctive marbury vibe. can't be much more toxic than that. he should be suspended from the team for conduct detrimental if he isn't going to sack up.
i agree that dolan's infernal interference was a big part of things. he can't help but be destructive. it's his calling card and it is amazing how he does this year after year after year.
but a big problem is that woodson plays favorites-- always has, and it hurts the cause. hardaway has some really nice upside. i feel bad for the kid.
If anything it shows that the Heat players care more. You think Jr Smith even thinks about Melo's free agency status when he goes clubbing after tonight's game?
why cite that lunatic and his lunatic thoughts? he is like marbury. what about relatively normal dudes?
holfresh wrote:Knicks got beat by a better team on their home court..This had nothing to do with adjustments...Melo is the only guy for the Knicks who showed up, again..Felton played hard...If Stevenson and George are hitting long jumpers, I want to know what adjustments Woodson could make to get the Knicks back in the game...Poster use these moments to vent their inner frustrations with no real concrete analysis from the game..This was done in the second quarter..I would love to hear what adjustments needed to made...
he had 1 assist. when he has 4+ assists the knicks tend to win.
anything less they almost always lose.
bottom line beyond a hot first 8 minutes he didn't show up. after that he was invisible, with zero floor impact for the final 40 minutes.
dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:Knicks got beat by a better team on their home court..This had nothing to do with adjustments...Melo is the only guy for the Knicks who showed up, again..Felton played hard...If Stevenson and George are hitting long jumpers, I want to know what adjustments Woodson could make to get the Knicks back in the game...Poster use these moments to vent their inner frustrations with no real concrete analysis from the game..This was done in the second quarter..I would love to hear what adjustments needed to made...he had 1 assist. when he has 4+ assists the knicks tend to win.
anything less they almost always lose.
bottom line beyond a hot first 8 minutes he didn't show up. after that he was invisible, with zero floor impact for the final 40 minutes.
Your focus is Melo and only Melo as usual...Look at the big picture just once...We had a lot of guys talking after we lost to the Pacers in the playoffs..Shump had a lot to say and so did Chandler..Ask yourself this question, who went home and got better for this meeting??..Answer is Stevenson, George and Melo...These are the better players this year...Shump and Chandler are all talk...But u don't see that...Your obsession is blinding your analysis if u do analyze the game ...
Big picture might not interest you ..So I will say this about the assist stat...Assist is also a function of people hitting shots when given the opportunity..
Then the ball can swing and get Melo in the post where there isn't strong resistence.
Make them adjust to us for a change.
Nalod wrote:playa2 wrote:from marc berman:
Carmelo Anthony, rejected emphatically again by center Roy Hibbert, called the rout “embarrassing’’ and then called out Mike Woodson for not making any adjustments to counteract the Indiana onslaught.Anthony didn’t understand how it got away so quickly as Pacers coach Frank Vogel did all the right things after the opening period. Woodson, for his part, called it “a total team disaster.’’
“They made adjustments the way they played the pick-and-roll, the way they packed the paint and stayed with our 3-point shooters,’’ Anthony said. “They made that adjustment. We didn’t make the adjustment back to it.’’
It amazes me that people can't see what our real problem is.
As a head coach you evaluate your players on what they do well and protect them from doing things they aren't good at.
When a coach out coaches you where is your pride to put the players in the best position to win games.
Lionel Hollins plz come to NY!
I think Melo was saying the players did not adjust back to it, meaning, they did not execute. Why is it your always amazed that people can't see things you can?
Indy has best record in the NBA and playing at home.
The blame game is for losers. Its not black and white that woodson is or is not the problem. The real problem is the many factors that add up. If players don't execute the coach looks bad. You can line up coaches as many as you want year in and year out but if your roster is flawed and don't execute your not going to win more than you lose.
Papabear Says
Thats right. Look at Larry Brown we sucked so bad he got ran out of town.