Nalod wrote:playa2 wrote:from marc berman:
Carmelo Anthony, rejected emphatically again by center Roy Hibbert, called the rout “embarrassing’’ and then called out Mike Woodson for not making any adjustments to counteract the Indiana onslaught.Anthony didn’t understand how it got away so quickly as Pacers coach Frank Vogel did all the right things after the opening period. Woodson, for his part, called it “a total team disaster.’’
“They made adjustments the way they played the pick-and-roll, the way they packed the paint and stayed with our 3-point shooters,’’ Anthony said. “They made that adjustment. We didn’t make the adjustment back to it.’’
It amazes me that people can't see what our real problem is.
As a head coach you evaluate your players on what they do well and protect them from doing things they aren't good at.
When a coach out coaches you where is your pride to put the players in the best position to win games.
Lionel Hollins plz come to NY!
I think Melo was saying the players did not adjust back to it, meaning, they did not execute. Why is it your always amazed that people can't see things you can?
Indy has best record in the NBA and playing at home.
The blame game is for losers. Its not black and white that woodson is or is not the problem. The real problem is the many factors that add up. If players don't execute the coach looks bad. You can line up coaches as many as you want year in and year out but if your roster is flawed and don't execute your not going to win more than you lose.
Papabear Says
Thats right. Look at Larry Brown we sucked so bad he got ran out of town.
playa2 wrote:The adjustments were simple bring Hibbert outside by playing Amare and Bargs at the same time. You can go ISO and hit foul line shots or pick and roll and put Hibbert at the DISADVANTAGE on the perimiter.Then the ball can swing and get Melo in the post where there isn't strong resistence.
Make them adjust to us for a change.
The Knicks were getting destroyed in the paint from the first quarter..So your answer was to in two of the worst interior help defenders in the NBA...Stevenson and George was getting to the rim at Will...Exactly what I thought, you can't come up with one legit adjustment 24 hours later yet you are trying to call out Woodson...
playa2 wrote:MIKE WOODROW WILSON SHOULD RESIGN FOR A LACK OF A PLAN AND STRATEGY FOR THE PLAYERS HE HAS ON HIS ROSTER
This guy is a glorified assistant, he has no plan when faced against a real "head coach"
Papabear wrote:Nalod wrote:playa2 wrote:from marc berman:
Carmelo Anthony, rejected emphatically again by center Roy Hibbert, called the rout “embarrassing’’ and then called out Mike Woodson for not making any adjustments to counteract the Indiana onslaught.Anthony didn’t understand how it got away so quickly as Pacers coach Frank Vogel did all the right things after the opening period. Woodson, for his part, called it “a total team disaster.’’
“They made adjustments the way they played the pick-and-roll, the way they packed the paint and stayed with our 3-point shooters,’’ Anthony said. “They made that adjustment. We didn’t make the adjustment back to it.’’
It amazes me that people can't see what our real problem is.
As a head coach you evaluate your players on what they do well and protect them from doing things they aren't good at.
When a coach out coaches you where is your pride to put the players in the best position to win games.
Lionel Hollins plz come to NY!
I think Melo was saying the players did not adjust back to it, meaning, they did not execute. Why is it your always amazed that people can't see things you can?
Indy has best record in the NBA and playing at home.
The blame game is for losers. Its not black and white that woodson is or is not the problem. The real problem is the many factors that add up. If players don't execute the coach looks bad. You can line up coaches as many as you want year in and year out but if your roster is flawed and don't execute your not going to win more than you lose.
Papabear SaysThats right. Look at Larry Brown we sucked so bad he got ran out of town.
Melo is not getting a lot from his teammates. Amare and KMart were two of the bright spots. Shump has scored 2 points in the last two games. Murry looked like he belonged in the dleague tonight. Tyson not sure what to say just extremely disappointed with his performance and 'leadership'. Felton and Udrih are limited. Felton looked ridiculous tonight but he has his moments. Knicks just aren't getting enough from the back court. Have to hope Bargs and Tyson don't play on the floor together much. Bargs best spot on this team is the 5.
Mike Woodson determines who plays with who, the dude is stubborn coach who doesn't have a clue.
With Woodson, it's not about one game or one scenario. This guy has shown us NOTHING in terms of his coaching ability. There are so many examples of him being exposed that it's not even a fair fight anymore. NO ONE can point to anything but the record last year to try and support this guy. That record which was really not proof of his coaching at all, is over blown. From watching this guy over an extended period it's clear that he had less to do with the win streaks this team has had during his run than people are willing to admit. The streak in his 1st year wasn't about him and I don't believe he can take credit for the 2 big streaks we had last year. He was just along for the ride and had no answers when a coach is supposed to step up and be counted.
Woody is a fraud!!! He's supposed to be a defensive guy and 2 years in a row he has bad defense. He's supposed to be Mr. Accountability and he shows no consistency in that regard. No one can point to anything good about his Offensive or Defensive philosophy. He lucked into that offense last year. It wasn't his real offensive scheme and over his career he's never shown that to be something he's ever run. Woody abandoned what was successful last year with a quickness, which is further proof that he wasn't really the architect of it. No way can he be given any real credit for that, so what is he good at? Is he a good Playoff coach? I mean exactly who is he as a coach?
Papabear wrote:Nalod wrote:playa2 wrote:from marc berman:
Carmelo Anthony, rejected emphatically again by center Roy Hibbert, called the rout “embarrassing’’ and then called out Mike Woodson for not making any adjustments to counteract the Indiana onslaught.Anthony didn’t understand how it got away so quickly as Pacers coach Frank Vogel did all the right things after the opening period. Woodson, for his part, called it “a total team disaster.’’
“They made adjustments the way they played the pick-and-roll, the way they packed the paint and stayed with our 3-point shooters,’’ Anthony said. “They made that adjustment. We didn’t make the adjustment back to it.’’
It amazes me that people can't see what our real problem is.
As a head coach you evaluate your players on what they do well and protect them from doing things they aren't good at.
When a coach out coaches you where is your pride to put the players in the best position to win games.
Lionel Hollins plz come to NY!
I think Melo was saying the players did not adjust back to it, meaning, they did not execute. Why is it your always amazed that people can't see things you can?
Indy has best record in the NBA and playing at home.
The blame game is for losers. Its not black and white that woodson is or is not the problem. The real problem is the many factors that add up. If players don't execute the coach looks bad. You can line up coaches as many as you want year in and year out but if your roster is flawed and don't execute your not going to win more than you lose.
Papabear SaysThats right. Look at Larry Brown we sucked so bad he got ran out of town.
Sounds like Dr. Seuss rhyme.
You can tell the knicks players want to say more in the post game interviews, about game plan and strategy and adjustments.
Tyson made a good point, even wg=hen guys are out injured, there should still be a system in place the the players go by.
Woodson is lost, so the players are lost. You don't know but a little, you can't do but a little, ask the Atlanta Hawks.
It would be nice to have a coach that actually had something he brought to the table. You at least hope your coach can give you some kind of edge when you go into battle. Instead, Woody rolls the ball out and this team is ill equipped to do battle with teams that have much deeper game plans. There's no aspect of the game that we can look at and say we do something that gives us an edge every night, from a BB tactics standpoint.
We're not taking advantage of any players strengths with the exception of Melo. You just don't have any real depth to the BB this team plays. Teams figure us out pretty quick and then ... Woody has nothing else. It's why Vogel punks him and other coaches always seem to look so much smarter. There's no adjustment. There's no plan B to Woody's schemes. Better coaches take away what we do and there's nothing underneath that for these players to go to or rely on for some easy buckets.
This is not a talent thing. We're just talking about X's and O's. You don't see this team using aspects of the game that would help make up for the lack of scoring in the paint. We all watched that one game were we went ISO Melo like 7 straight times. Then you have the awful lineups he puts out there. The lack of recognition of what is working or who is hot. The lack of ability to stick with combinations that work. There are lineups Woody sticks with that just don't work and he keeps forcing it every night. It's like he never gets any analytics on his team as to what is working best and what he should use more.
What do you mean Woodson never gets the analytics as to what works? You have the immortal Darrel walker, Lasalle Thompson and that other guy on the bench
Hall of Fame staff
playa2 wrote:You can tell the knicks players want to say more in the post game interviews, about game plan and strategy and adjustments.
Tyson made a good point, even wg=hen guys are out injured, there should still be a system in place the the players go by.Woodson is lost, so the players are lost. You don't know but a little, you can't do but a little, ask the Atlanta Hawks.
Yea which is how good teams like spurs, Miami, Indy, okc, Chicago sustain injuries and still win. System. All 15 guys accountable and ready to step in
what, playing jr at point guard is not a sound adjustment?
I watched the first half. 12 turnovers. Looked to me Murry is not ready for prime time, Iman looks lost and FluTyson is not in synch.
They lack talent. They are depleted by injury.
Mistakes happen and rookies make them. Timmy jr hits a great shot then fouls Crawful and gives him 3 FT's. Rookies do that. Its ok.
This is not on Melo, its not on the coaches, its just a depleted roster.
Larry sucked and Isiah did nearly as bad.
Im done with playa's emotional blame the coach. Give players the glory but blame the coach when it goes south.
Its a brutal roster, no doubt, not the coaches fault. When the two biggest deals you make in a decade (let david lee go instead overpay by a zillion for uninsured Amare (and use amnesty idiotically elsewhere), and, the trade for a scoring-gifted, but limited, Melo, your team is not going to be good.
That being said, i stand by my view that this coach has zero offensive strategy, a defensive strategy which isn't working, and a late and close tactical deficiency (Melo 1 for 20? late) that is hardly helping.
Would rather watch a talent-overmatched team play with a sound system than for a team for which the 'roster is flawed' excuse is implicitly used to allow for non-coaching.
Woodson is hardly the only, or, even the primary problem, but, for those who defend, what does he do?
Knicks22 wrote:
Its a brutal roster, no doubt, not the coaches fault. When the two biggest deals you make in a decade (let david lee go instead overpay by a zillion for uninsured Amare (and use amnesty idiotically elsewhere), and, the trade for a scoring-gifted, but limited, Melo, your team is not going to be good.That being said, i stand by my view that this coach has zero offensive strategy, a defensive strategy which isn't working, and a late and close tactical deficiency (Melo 1 for 20? late) that is hardly helping.
Would rather watch a talent-overmatched team play with a sound system than for a team for which the 'roster is flawed' excuse is implicitly used to allow for non-coaching.
Woodson is hardly the only, or, even the primary problem, but, for those who defend, what does he do?
You can't assess how good a coach someone is when they have a "brutal roster." Every plan - whether it's go to Melo or go to someone else, keep JR in or take him out, etc. - will come out looking bad more often than not (and fuel the Nixluva's of the forum. Even Mickey Mantle would have looked like a bad hitter if he was only allowed to use a wiffle ball bat. I could see some here saying things like "It's clear Mickey Mantle has no plan" or "It's clear Mickey Mantle is a limited hitter." But all he'd need is a decent bat.
Knicks22 wrote:
Woodson is hardly the only, or, even the primary problem, but, for those who defend, what does he do?
Yes how about we list the things Woodson does well
playa2 wrote:You can tell the knicks players want to say more in the post game interviews, about game plan and strategy and adjustments.
Tyson made a good point, even wg=hen guys are out injured, there should still be a system in place the the players go by.Woodson is lost, so the players are lost. You don't know but a little, you can't do but a little, ask the Atlanta Hawks.
Speaking of....i dont recall the Hawks improving when they fired Woody.
knickscity wrote:playa2 wrote:You can tell the knicks players want to say more in the post game interviews, about game plan and strategy and adjustments.
Tyson made a good point, even wg=hen guys are out injured, there should still be a system in place the the players go by.Woodson is lost, so the players are lost. You don't know but a little, you can't do but a little, ask the Atlanta Hawks.
Speaking of....i dont recall the Hawks improving when they fired Woody.
You know why, they kept one of his assistants and saved money.
Now they have a real coach and are doing much better.
The reason why Rasheed and Kidd went into coaching....they witnessed what Woody was doing on the knicks and figured they actually knew more than he and his assistants did.
playa2 wrote:knickscity wrote:playa2 wrote:You can tell the knicks players want to say more in the post game interviews, about game plan and strategy and adjustments.
Tyson made a good point, even wg=hen guys are out injured, there should still be a system in place the the players go by.Woodson is lost, so the players are lost. You don't know but a little, you can't do but a little, ask the Atlanta Hawks.
Speaking of....i dont recall the Hawks improving when they fired Woody.
You know why, they kept one of his assistants and saved money.
Now they have a real coach and are doing much better.
4 years later you can't pin a thing on a previous coach. Way too many variables have changed. Little things like ROSTERs, but why bother with little details like that.
