Knicks · Lovely article on Stoudemire in NYT by Araton (page 1)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/28/sports...

still should have amnestied the dude or better yet, never have signed him.

woulda have been nice reading a story like this about Amare who never quits on the Timberwolves.

Edited: Probably the worst move the knicks have ever made. Stated out of anger and disgust but clearly there were others that were worse.

I was always an amare fan, I went crazy when we didn't draft him instead we drafted nene in that trade with camby for mcdeyse... i was upset..

Amare has always been a hard worker, and while flawed, he still played at a high level. Injuries have robbed him of course, but he still works hard, I can appreciate that.. never a good defender he still could make the occasional spectacular defensive block....

I wish the best for him, if not here, hopefully somewhere else...

nice find dk..

Nice quotes from Colangelo and in that article. You gotta give STAT credit for trying, it's something so many other overpaid Knicks never seemed to be able to do. He's definitely in the Allan Houston category in my mind as opposed to an Eddy Curry All-Star. It's largely been his body that betrayed him, and sometimes his brain (the Fire Extinguisher Incident) but not his heart I reckon.

I love hindsight statements confirming the well publicized doubts the media put in front of us.

Basically its too easy to say "told you so!"

Yes fans, we know it was stupid to sign him and Phx was smart to not.

The article was not asking which knick fans knew better, but about Amare being a hard working young man who has delt with adversity.

Maybe some should take little pieces of paper and write the names of:

Isiah, Marbury, Ladyen, Donnie, Dice, Weiss, Sweetney, Brown, Jerome James, Eddy, Stevie francis, MDA, lil penny, whom ever.....

Then dig a whole and bury the pieces of paper.

Then come in side, wipe your feet and start a new list with PHil on it and how you doubts about him. Or, really keep the articles you read that put those voices in your head.

BTW, we all have doubts.

Its a damn shame Amare could stay on the court. Its a damn shame Dice could not stay on the court. Its a damn shame MSG keeps gambling on these guys.

Or, Blame Donnie.

In fact, IM suprised a blame donnie reply has yet to appear.

Blame donnie, boast how you had doubts all along, then play powerball tonite.

it would have taken phil jackson being here back in 2010 with a promise from dolan of total autonomy for the knicks in order to pass on stoudemire in the wake of "the decision."

"blaming donnie" should not be part of the conversation when it comes to acquiring stoudemire, if merely for the fact that there was a larger agenda from dolan looming over the franchise. and that agenda at the time was about acquiring a big name, any name, to satisfy a "perceived need" that dolan has always harbored and which is, sadly, reflected among the masses of knick fans.

if we have learned nothing else from the press conference with dolan and jackson, it should be that dolan would have been better off leaving donnie walsh alone back then, and give him the opportunity to do the courageous-- and practical thing-- rebuild the team as donnie saw fit.

STAT has been a standup knick. he's had his share of injury woes but he's been a true professional the whole entire time. yes, he only gave us one great year, but atleast he's tried to live up to the contract. very easy guy to root for and i'm still glad we signed him, he's represented the knicks very well in his time here.

dk7th wrote:it would have taken phil jackson being here back in 2010 with a promise from dolan of total autonomy for the knicks in order to pass on stoudemire in the wake of "the decision."

"blaming donnie" should not be part of the conversation when it comes to acquiring stoudemire, if merely for the fact that there was a larger agenda from dolan looming over the franchise. and that agenda at the time was about acquiring a big name, any name, to satisfy a "perceived need" that dolan has always harbored and which is, sadly, reflected among the masses of knick fans.

if we have learned nothing else from the press conference with dolan and jackson, it should be that dolan would have been better off leaving donnie walsh alone back then, and give him the opportunity to do the courageous-- and practical thing-- rebuild the team as donnie saw fit.

Hard to know what happened here. Everyone involved gets blame. Do we not blame Isiah for his sh1tty moves and blame it all on Dolan?

Walsh should have resigned if he was so dead set against this move. What has walsh done for us that we are defending him? He was a good/classy guy I don't get why knick fans still care about him.

They were all bad, everyone that we had. And, did Dolan make them worse? He probably did and hopefully with Phil in here he will not be part of the process. Maybe it will be the same as when George handed Stick Michaels the keys.

nyk4ever wrote: i'm still glad we signed him

are you really?

I actually want to win. I don't care about a guys back story when it costs 100 million and sinks the ship.

I'll never understand why this guy gets more love than melo. Never. Goes to show how far "image" can get you, especially with impressionable fans.

mreinman wrote:

nyk4ever wrote: i'm still glad we signed him

are you really?

I actually want to win. I don't care about a guys back story when it costs 100 million and sinks the ship.

+1, it's all fluff all I care about about is the W-L column, to which his contributions have been sporadic at best.

Honestly, a lot of guys in the NBA had tough experiences before life in the NBA, there's no need to look at that when evaluating a player's value. Although I did read amare had to spend like 20 hours a day lying face down for a couple of weeks for his eye injury, which must have been a challenge, but that doesn't interfere with my perception of him as a player.

mreinman wrote:

nyk4ever wrote: i'm still glad we signed him

are you really?

I actually want to win. I don't care about a guys back story when it costs 100 million and sinks the ship.

I think your being a little ungreatfull. When someone one comes through for you when your down and out, you don't kick them to the curb when your back on top. We had 10 yrs of hard to watch basketball. Signing amare was a no brainer

You seem like you would hve been content with gallo, lee and chandler winning an avg of 40 games a season. Yeah we would have had cap space, but honestly since amare has gotten here, what big name FA did we miss out on because of cap space.

Dagger wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nyk4ever wrote: i'm still glad we signed him

are you really?

I actually want to win. I don't care about a guys back story when it costs 100 million and sinks the ship.

+1, it's all fluff all I care about about is the W-L column, to which his contributions have been sporadic at best.

Honestly, a lot of guys in the NBA had tough experiences before life in the NBA, there's no need to look at that when evaluating a player's value. Although I did read amare had to spend like 20 hours a day lying face down for a couple of weeks for his eye injury, which must have been a challenge, but that doesn't interfere with my perception of him as a player.

In his defense, the teams recent 8-2 record over the last ten has been primarily due Amare's increased role. The team still is not perfect, but it is clearly better when he is healthy and plays 25 minutes or more.

Dagger wrote:I'll never understand why this guy gets more love than melo. Never. Goes to show how far "image" can get you, especially with impressionable fans.

Its because Amare is far more charismatic. When it comes to basketball, Melo was always the superior player.

mreinman wrote:still should have amnestied the dude or better yet, never have signed him.

woulda have been nice reading a story like this about Amare who never quits on the Timberwolves.

Probably the worst move the knicks have ever made.

I didn't mind the signing as long as we took the proper precautions. I still don't understand why Donnie didn't frontload Amare's contract. That would've helped to stagger the long term risk of signing a guy we knew was going to breakdown. And using the amnesty on Billups was stupid from the start; that should've been saved for Amar'e. Had Donnie Walsh not been such a puss and we just kept Corey Brewer, we could've involved his contract in a sign and trade that would've allowed us to get Tyson Chandler while keeping Billups and preserving our amnesty. That one, seemingly minor move, fucked us during the Carmelo era.

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nyk4ever wrote: i'm still glad we signed him

are you really?

I actually want to win. I don't care about a guys back story when it costs 100 million and sinks the ship.

I think your being a little ungreatfull. When someone one comes through for you when your down and out, you don't kick them to the curb when your back on top. We had 10 yrs of hard to watch basketball. Signing amare was a no brainer

You seem like you would hve been content with gallo, lee and chandler winning an avg of 40 games a season. Yeah we would have had cap space, but honestly since amare has gotten here, what big name FA did we miss out on because of cap space.

David Lee
DRAGIC
Chris Paul
Dwight Howard
Paul Milsap

Pick any, but that is not even the point. We don't need tier 1's. We need to build an efficient team not blow the bank on Amare when the only offer he got was 3 years to remain in PHX. His crash was not that hard to predict.

Amare came through for us? How by giving us a half of a good season of a 5 year cap killer?

Fans follow their hearts way too much. Do you think that the knicks brass thinks that they made a huge mistake?

TheGame wrote:

Dagger wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nyk4ever wrote: i'm still glad we signed him

are you really?

I actually want to win. I don't care about a guys back story when it costs 100 million and sinks the ship.

+1, it's all fluff all I care about about is the W-L column, to which his contributions have been sporadic at best.

Honestly, a lot of guys in the NBA had tough experiences before life in the NBA, there's no need to look at that when evaluating a player's value. Although I did read amare had to spend like 20 hours a day lying face down for a couple of weeks for his eye injury, which must have been a challenge, but that doesn't interfere with my perception of him as a player.

In his defense, the teams recent 8-2 record over the last ten has been primarily due Amare's increased role. The team still is not perfect, but it is clearly better when he is healthy and plays 25 minutes or more.

I agree with this. The problem is that he is rarely healthy.

NardDogNation wrote:

Dagger wrote:I'll never understand why this guy gets more love than melo. Never. Goes to show how far "image" can get you, especially with impressionable fans.

Its because Amare is far more charismatic. When it comes to basketball, Melo was always the superior player.

What has melo done since he's gotten here, other than get the knicks more national televise games

Amare is amazing as a person, but I can't stand him as a player. Amare has been an utter disaster with only a few exceptions. The first half of his first season he was a top 3 superstar. If you were to evaluate from that point until this recent winning streak then Amare as been an abomination. You can blame it on injuries if you want but it does not matter. Staying healthy is part of the job. Jordan would not have been Jordan if he was not healthy enough to make his legacy.

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nyk4ever wrote: i'm still glad we signed him

are you really?

I actually want to win. I don't care about a guys back story when it costs 100 million and sinks the ship.

I think your being a little ungreatfull. When someone one comes through for you when your down and out, you don't kick them to the curb when your back on top. We had 10 yrs of hard to watch basketball. Signing amare was a no brainer

You seem like you would hve been content with gallo, lee and chandler winning an avg of 40 games a season. Yeah we would have had cap space, but honestly since amare has gotten here, what big name FA did we miss out on because of cap space.

David Lee
DRAGIC
Chris Paul
Dwight Howard
Paul Milsap

Pick any, but that is not even the point. We don't need tier 1's. We need to build an efficient team not blow the bank on Amare when the only offer he got was 3 years to remain in PHX. His crash was not that hard to predict.

Amare came through for us? How by giving us a half of a good season of a 5 year cap killer?

Fans follow their hearts way too much. Do you think that the knicks brass thinks that they made a huge mistake?

Dude that is the ultimate bull sht (his crash was easy to predict) how in the world can you say that..You think donnie was dumb enogh to sign a player who had 6 months left in his tank for a 100 mill.

Howard never ever wanted to play in ny

Dragic is a good player, but the suns are not elite, and no ones flocking over there to play with him

Milsap, you mean the guy on the stuggling hawks

chris paul wasn't coming over here to play with gallo and chandler, and after getting melo we had nothing to offer in a trade..

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:still should have amnestied the dude or better yet, never have signed him.

woulda have been nice reading a story like this about Amare who never quits on the Timberwolves.

Probably the worst move the knicks have ever made.

I didn't mind the signing as long as we took the proper precautions. I still don't understand why Donnie didn't frontload Amare's contract. That would've helped to stagger the long term risk of signing a guy we knew was going to breakdown. And using the amnesty on Billups was stupid from the start; that should've been saved for Amar'e. Had Donnie Walsh not been such a puss and we just kept Corey Brewer, we could've involved his contract in a sign and trade that would've allowed us to get Tyson Chandler while keeping Billups and preserving our amnesty. That one, seemingly minor move, fucked us during the Carmelo era.

He couldn't have front loaded. He got the max each year - Amare hit the lotto. There is always is that 1 idiot/sucker and guess who that was?

The Tyson/CB move was an utter disaster and the same phucking gamblers/starphuck mentality. Complete horse sh1t. We also outbid ourselves as usual for Tyson, there was really no market for him (at that price).

So we sign Amare (disaster), NBA gives us this amnesty gift to clean up exxon valdez, we use it on our most efficient player and so badly needed expiring PG and start the year by giving a PG coach Toney Phucking Douglass as our starter.

You can't make this sh1t up and what is even crazier is that fans actually defend this crap.