Knicks · Carmelo Anthony's Salary (page 4)
But I'm not worried because Phil is not stupid as say James Dolan
fishmike wrote:dk7th wrote:So Kevin Garnett was also garbage until he had Ray Allen/Paul Pierce and Rondo to carry him? Would you agree with that based on the criteria you mention above? Nothing but a decade of playoff losses and meaningless regular season awards therefishmike wrote:dk7th wrote:what a garbage post. It really is. Yes... remove an all star, all NBA player coming off a top 3 MVP season and scoring title but yea... its addition by subtraction. Your probably one of these guy who just thinks Melo's scoring loss will just come from other others, who are probably more effecient.jrodmc wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.
+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.
He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.
Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?
replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding.says who??? Be prepared for Phil to do the oppositeyou cannot be a contender with him in the role he has played for the last ten years.
you can list all the accolades you want-- it's results that matter. his playoff record is very very bad. no excuses. numbers don't lie.
mvp is a regular-season award. BFD
stop focussing on the regular season stuff.
he is not a winner in the role he has been playing. he needs to take a backseat and accept backseat money.
if phil jackson thinks he can work with carmelo anthony then great-- but i would not be at all surprised if melo is gone. phil jackson is in a position to lowball melo and he should.
Garnett is an alltime great. Ridiculous numbers. In fantasy basketball in was him or Duncan being drafted 1 & 2. Incredible stat sheet fillers. I drafted Melo high last year in his "MVP" all he gave me was points. My team sucked like the Knicks
gunsnewing wrote:Melo signs for $30m and we will have more of what we saw in that Indiana series. Melo surrounded by end of bench players, NBDL players and 40yr old EuropeansSure, So let him walk. Who do you sign to replace him? Maybe spread out the cash between some good players say like Mosgov/Chandler/Gallo? Thats $20mm. What puts the Knicks in better position?But I'm not worried because Phil is not stupid as say James Dolan
Listen... Im only as pro Melo as I acknowledge he's the only guy on the roster this year who has played well on any kind of consistent basis. Im fine with trading him or whatever, but whats the plan?
gunsnewing wrote:Garnett sucks. Maybe he's good in fantasy but in the real world he was a garbage loser who did nothing but collect regular season (meaningless) awards and flame out year after year in the playoffs. What? NINE years of first round flameouts? GARBAGEfishmike wrote:dk7th wrote:So Kevin Garnett was also garbage until he had Ray Allen/Paul Pierce and Rondo to carry him? Would you agree with that based on the criteria you mention above? Nothing but a decade of playoff losses and meaningless regular season awards therefishmike wrote:dk7th wrote:what a garbage post. It really is. Yes... remove an all star, all NBA player coming off a top 3 MVP season and scoring title but yea... its addition by subtraction. Your probably one of these guy who just thinks Melo's scoring loss will just come from other others, who are probably more effecient.jrodmc wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.
+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.
He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.
Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?
replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding.says who??? Be prepared for Phil to do the oppositeyou cannot be a contender with him in the role he has played for the last ten years.
you can list all the accolades you want-- it's results that matter. his playoff record is very very bad. no excuses. numbers don't lie.
mvp is a regular-season award. BFD
stop focussing on the regular season stuff.
he is not a winner in the role he has been playing. he needs to take a backseat and accept backseat money.
if phil jackson thinks he can work with carmelo anthony then great-- but i would not be at all surprised if melo is gone. phil jackson is in a position to lowball melo and he should.
Garnett is an alltime great. Ridiculous numbers. In fantasy basketball in was him or Duncan being drafted 1 & 2. Incredible stat sheet fillers. I drafted Melo high last year in his "MVP" all he gave me was points. My team sucked like the Knicks
Bonn1997 wrote:There are two separate questions. A) What's his market value? We know that that's based mostly on PPG and it's therefore very high. B) What's his worth to the team? I've been talking about the second question. We know from research that questions A and B are almost entirely unrelated to each other, since the correlation is very low between how much GMs pay their players and how much the team wins.
why is this distinction so difficult to understand? i feel like that guy in that movie idiocracy.
dk7th wrote:gotcha.Bonn1997 wrote:There are two separate questions. A) What's his market value? We know that that's based mostly on PPG and it's therefore very high. B) What's his worth to the team? I've been talking about the second question. We know from research that questions A and B are almost entirely unrelated to each other, since the correlation is very low between how much GMs pay their players and how much the team wins.why is this distinction so difficult to understand? i feel like that guy in that movie idiocracy.
His value to the Knicks is $1
his value to the NBA is the max a team can offer.
fishmike wrote:Well said.dk7th wrote:what a garbage post. It really is. Yes... remove an all star, all NBA player coming off a top 3 MVP season and scoring title but yea... its addition by subtraction. Your probably one of these guy who just thinks Melo's scoring loss will just come from other others, who are probably more effecient.jrodmc wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.
+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.
He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.
Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?
replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding.says who??? Be prepared for Phil to do the opposite
CrushAlot wrote:fishmike wrote:Well said.dk7th wrote:what a garbage post. It really is. Yes... remove an all star, all NBA player coming off a top 3 MVP season and scoring title but yea... its addition by subtraction. Your probably one of these guy who just thinks Melo's scoring loss will just come from other others, who are probably more effecient.jrodmc wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.
+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.
He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.
Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?
replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding.says who??? Be prepared for Phil to do the opposite
What exactly is the opposite of rebuilding? The first antonym that came up was "demolish"!
Bonn1997 wrote:Getting talent not getting rid of talent.CrushAlot wrote:fishmike wrote:Well said.dk7th wrote:what a garbage post. It really is. Yes... remove an all star, all NBA player coming off a top 3 MVP season and scoring title but yea... its addition by subtraction. Your probably one of these guy who just thinks Melo's scoring loss will just come from other others, who are probably more effecient.jrodmc wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.
+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.
He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.
Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?
replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding.says who??? Be prepared for Phil to do the opposite
What exactly is the opposite of rebuilding? The first antonym that came up was "demolish"!
fishmike wrote:dk7th wrote:what a garbage post. It really is. Yes... remove an all star, all NBA player coming off a top 3 MVP season and scoring title but yea... its addition by subtraction. Your probably one of these guy who just thinks Melo's scoring loss will just come from other others, who are probably more effecient.jrodmc wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.
+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.
He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.
Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?
replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding.says who??? Be prepared for Phil to do the opposite
if melo leaves it's because the knicks are committed to rebuilding, whether with him or without him.
how do you define the 2014-2015 season? is it part of a rebuilding process of something else? you don't seem to be able to see things for what they are.
dk7th wrote:If Melo leaves it will be because he wants to go somewhere else. In regards to the 2014-2015 season I don't think you can define it yet. I think you get an idea of what is going on around the draft. That is when teams make moves. If Mills was running things I think the knicks might just stand pat. I think Phil shakes things up a bit. I also think Phil wants Melo to stay.fishmike wrote:dk7th wrote:what a garbage post. It really is. Yes... remove an all star, all NBA player coming off a top 3 MVP season and scoring title but yea... its addition by subtraction. Your probably one of these guy who just thinks Melo's scoring loss will just come from other others, who are probably more effecient.jrodmc wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.
+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.
He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.
Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?
replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding.says who??? Be prepared for Phil to do the oppositeif melo leaves it's because the knicks are committed to rebuilding, whether with him or without him.
how do you define the 2014-2015 season? is it part of a rebuilding process of something else? you don't seem to be able to see things for what they are.
fishmike wrote:dk7th wrote:so its his role. Does supporting cast have any factor? Any at all? Or is the NBA and basketbal really just about one guy on the team and the rest are warm bodies that go as he go. Is that it?fishmike wrote:dk7th wrote:what a garbage post. It really is. Yes... remove an all star, all NBA player coming off a top 3 MVP season and scoring title but yea... its addition by subtraction. Your probably one of these guy who just thinks Melo's scoring loss will just come from other others, who are probably more effecient.jrodmc wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.
+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.
He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.
Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?
replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding.says who??? Be prepared for Phil to do the oppositeyou cannot be a contender with him in the role he has played for the last ten years.
you can list all the accolades you want-- it's results that matter. his playoff record is very very bad. no excuses. numbers don't lie.
mvp is a regular-season award. BFD
stop focussing on the regular season stuff.
he is not a winner in the role he has been playing. he needs to take a backseat and accept backseat money.
if phil jackson thinks he can work with carmelo anthony then great-- but i would not be at all surprised if melo is gone. phil jackson is in a position to lowball melo and he should.
Your talking about his role. Im talking about talent. What was the team Melo played on that was a title caliber team?
I know you think this doesnt matter, but I contend it does.Melo's game is not a playoff winner. Iso basketball works well you have a supporting cast who can do things. I saw Melo play very well in that Pacer's series. What I also saw was Ive seen this year.. terrible guard play. Are the shots Melo takes more important than the ones JR or Felton takes? Or Shump?
"supporting cast" betrays an approach that you would do well to abandon. that was first used by the greatest player of all time, according to most. you have to be prepared to compare apples to apples and not just throw out doggie-doo "concepts" such as "supporting cast" and then proceed to lump in players like melo with players like jordan.
see what you did there? that just won't work with me. your first paragraph starts with a garbage notion and then is "supported" by blather. nonetheless... to answer your question basketball is a team sport.
your second paragraph is the epitome of circular thinking-- whatever possibility of assembling a true contender he may have had HERE IN NEW YORK WITH THE KNICKS was destroyed when he came here under the circumstances that he did. HE MADE THIS BED. you don't ask for max money and at the same time you don't force a trade and then expect the team you go to to be able to build a winner. this is a big reason why he should be taking a lot less to stay a knick. he should have waited for free agency! in whatever negotiations he is involved in these matters will be a negotiating tool to use with him. of course talent matters. nonetheless... as a corollary to walsh: a player is good at one price and bad at another. substitute "good" with "talent."
your third paragraph is mostly garbage since it recycles the "supporting cast" canard. nonetheless... the shots melo takes, since he usually takes the most shots, are the more important shots. he takes too many bad shots and in the playoffs that spells doom. in game 1 he contributed mightily to losing home court.
of deeper concern: his usage was 37.5% and his assist rate was 7.9% for a ratio of 4.75:1
if basketball is a team game then he did an excellent job of hurting his team.
CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Getting talent not getting rid of talent.CrushAlot wrote:fishmike wrote:Well said.dk7th wrote:what a garbage post. It really is. Yes... remove an all star, all NBA player coming off a top 3 MVP season and scoring title but yea... its addition by subtraction. Your probably one of these guy who just thinks Melo's scoring loss will just come from other others, who are probably more effecient.jrodmc wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.
+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.
He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.
Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?
replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding.says who??? Be prepared for Phil to do the opposite
What exactly is the opposite of rebuilding? The first antonym that came up was "demolish"!
"Getting talent" can't possibly be the opposite of rebuilding. Every team that is rebuilding will say they're trying to get talent.
If Melo is traded how will he be treated by Knicks fans on his way out?
If Melo is kept does everyone accept Phil's decision or is the hatred for Melo so deep that nothing changes?
Stay Tuned
Bonn1997 wrote:Generally you don't do a rebuild without any draft picks. Also, I don't expect a guy that has always won to come in with the approach that he is going to let his best player walk as a part of the process to building a winner. Getting veteran or young veteran talent isn't a traditional rebuild but it is changing out players. I expect JR and Melo to be in Jackson's plans. Hardaway maybe as well. After that I think it depends on what he is able to do.CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Getting talent not getting rid of talent.CrushAlot wrote:fishmike wrote:Well said.dk7th wrote:what a garbage post. It really is. Yes... remove an all star, all NBA player coming off a top 3 MVP season and scoring title but yea... its addition by subtraction. Your probably one of these guy who just thinks Melo's scoring loss will just come from other others, who are probably more effecient.jrodmc wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.
+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.
He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.
Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?
replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding.says who??? Be prepared for Phil to do the opposite
What exactly is the opposite of rebuilding? The first antonym that came up was "demolish"!
"Getting talent" can't possibly be the opposite of rebuilding. Every team that is rebuilding will say they're trying to get talent.
CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Generally you don't do a rebuild without any draft picks. Also, I don't expect a guy that has always won to come in with the approach that he is going to let his best player walk as a part of the process to building a winner. Getting veteran or young veteran talent isn't a traditional rebuild but it is changing out players. I expect JR and Melo to be in Jackson's plans. Hardaway maybe as well. After that I think it depends on what he is able to do.CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Getting talent not getting rid of talent.CrushAlot wrote:fishmike wrote:Well said.dk7th wrote:what a garbage post. It really is. Yes... remove an all star, all NBA player coming off a top 3 MVP season and scoring title but yea... its addition by subtraction. Your probably one of these guy who just thinks Melo's scoring loss will just come from other others, who are probably more effecient.jrodmc wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.
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the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.
He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.
Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?
replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding.says who??? Be prepared for Phil to do the opposite
What exactly is the opposite of rebuilding? The first antonym that came up was "demolish"!
"Getting talent" can't possibly be the opposite of rebuilding. Every team that is rebuilding will say they're trying to get talent.
what is next season all about? do you realize how far away the summer of 2015 is from now? and that melo will be 31?
dk7th wrote:I responded to this and you earlier. You missed it.CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Generally you don't do a rebuild without any draft picks. Also, I don't expect a guy that has always won to come in with the approach that he is going to let his best player walk as a part of the process to building a winner. Getting veteran or young veteran talent isn't a traditional rebuild but it is changing out players. I expect JR and Melo to be in Jackson's plans. Hardaway maybe as well. After that I think it depends on what he is able to do.CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Getting talent not getting rid of talent.CrushAlot wrote:fishmike wrote:Well said.dk7th wrote:what a garbage post. It really is. Yes... remove an all star, all NBA player coming off a top 3 MVP season and scoring title but yea... its addition by subtraction. Your probably one of these guy who just thinks Melo's scoring loss will just come from other others, who are probably more effecient.jrodmc wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.
+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.
He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.
Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?
replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.
in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding.says who??? Be prepared for Phil to do the opposite
What exactly is the opposite of rebuilding? The first antonym that came up was "demolish"!
"Getting talent" can't possibly be the opposite of rebuilding. Every team that is rebuilding will say they're trying to get talent.what is next season all about? do you realize how far away the summer of 2015 is from now? and that melo will be 31?
If Melo leaves it will be because he wants to go somewhere else. In regards to the 2014-2015 season I don't think you can define it yet. I think you get an idea of what is going on around the draft. That is when teams make moves. If Mills was running things I think the knicks might just stand pat. I think Phil shakes things up a bit. I also think Phil wants Melo to stay.