mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:NardDogNation wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Not only is melo a low IQ player, he's also a Low IQ person in general. I just can't understand why this guy is hell bent on opting out with no real destinantion.
So Melo has been an elite scorer over the course of his career by being "dumb"? That doesn't make any sense.
an elite scorer? not with 45.5FG% and 54.7TS% he isn't elite. and he has averaged 20 shots per game to average 25 points.
does an elite scorer need 20 shots to score 25 points?
So I take it that Kobe was just an "elite" defender? Not an "elite" scorer?
If you say "yes" then I can buy that. You require high efficiency to be an elite scorer.
bryant was never an elite scorer he was a classic "volume scorer." his footwork for setting up his shots has been superb but his decisions have not been good and it's because his ballhandling was suspect. personally i thought he would have had a better career had he focussed on posting up more.
i guess he was an elite defender but i was never that impressed. great player but overrated nonetheless. the triangle saved him. it helped him be a better sharer of the ball than the "ball hog" epithet would describe. jackson once called him un-coachable and i can certainly see why.
knicks1248 wrote:Not only is melo a low IQ player, he's also a Low IQ person in general. I just can't understand why this guy is hell bent on opting out with no real destinantion.
job security?
Melo, Lebron and Wade are all doing the right thing...you hear all the time from owners, GMs and players...this is a business. Melo opts in...tears his ACL next season, then what? He just lost millions of dollars and for what? To please people like you and Dk7th? GTFOH.
Melo is going to opt out and hopefully resign with the Knicks at a resonable amount
This is bogus. I read repeatedly that there is no market for Melo and that smart GMS would not want him plus coaches don't like him.
yellowboy90 wrote:This is bogus. I read repeatedly that there is no market for Melo and that smart GMS would not want him plus coaches don't like him.
I'm sure any GM would take him as the third and most would as the 2nd best player.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:This is bogus. I read repeatedly that there is no market for Melo and that smart GMS would not want him plus coaches don't like him.
I'm sure any GM would take him as the third and most would as the 2nd best player.
nope he is a negative sum player not fit to have on any squad. "It is known"
Swishfm3 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Not only is melo a low IQ player, he's also a Low IQ person in general. I just can't understand why this guy is hell bent on opting out with no real destinantion.
job security?
Melo, Lebron and Wade are all doing the right thing...you hear all the time from owners, GMs and players...this is a business. Melo opts in...tears his ACL next season, then what? He just lost millions of dollars and for what? To please people like you and Dk7th? GTFOH.
Melo is going to opt out and hopefully resign with the Knicks at a resonable amount
Also, there are possible destinations for Melo that offer him a much better chance of winning. Part of free agency is listening to what other teams have to offer. It is a bit scary that he is going to hit the open market in my opinion. There are other teams out there that can offer him a much better chance of winning. There are other organizations that are much more stable and established at this point. I think Melo is doing the smart thing. Not jumping at the chance to play for his third coach in ny in four seasons, a rookie coach, and his third gm in three seasons so that he can at least see what options are out there is the smart move in my opinion. The worst thing he could do is opt in to waste a year in ny and possibly get hurt.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:This is bogus. I read repeatedly that there is no market for Melo and that smart GMS would not want him plus coaches don't like him.
I'm sure any GM would take him as the third and most would as the 2nd best player.
And the Knicks? We still want him and he'd clearly be the best player on the team (yes, thats not saying much).
TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:This is bogus. I read repeatedly that there is no market for Melo and that smart GMS would not want him plus coaches don't like him.
I'm sure any GM would take him as the third and most would as the 2nd best player.
And the Knicks? We still want him and he'd clearly be the best player on the team (yes, thats not saying much).
Yeah, you don't want to commit max money to him without already having better max players on the roster. Adding him to a roster that's already at the 50 to 55 win level works though.
Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:This is bogus. I read repeatedly that there is no market for Melo and that smart GMS would not want him plus coaches don't like him.
I'm sure any GM would take him as the third and most would as the 2nd best player.
And the Knicks? We still want him and he'd clearly be the best player on the team (yes, thats not saying much).
Yeah, you don't want to commit max money to him without already having better max players on the roster.
I don't think Phil would max him out though
TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:This is bogus. I read repeatedly that there is no market for Melo and that smart GMS would not want him plus coaches don't like him.
I'm sure any GM would take him as the third and most would as the 2nd best player.
And the Knicks? We still want him and he'd clearly be the best player on the team (yes, thats not saying much).
Yeah, you don't want to commit max money to him without already having better max players on the roster.
I don't think Phil would max him out though
OK, you don't want to commit anywhere near max money to him unless you already have better max players on the team.
Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:This is bogus. I read repeatedly that there is no market for Melo and that smart GMS would not want him plus coaches don't like him.
I'm sure any GM would take him as the third and most would as the 2nd best player.
And the Knicks? We still want him and he'd clearly be the best player on the team (yes, thats not saying much).
Yeah, you don't want to commit max money to him without already having better max players on the roster.
I don't think Phil would max him out though
OK, you don't want to commit anywhere near max money to him unless you already have better max players on the team.
So you would let Melo go? 'Cause I don't think we get other max players to come here without Melo already on the team.
smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:There is no better deal than Chicago mid 2014 picks and Boozer(salary comp) for Melo--we will not get a better deal. His contract comes off and we have full cap space in 2015 and 3 first rounders 2 in 2104 and 1 in 2015. Maybe they can take on Ray Felton as well--that would help us.
Wouldn't be surprised if the bulls trade for Kevin Love- they can offer a good package (picks, the euro guy and Taj Gibson)
I would be surprised. Kevin Love is no doubt the better player but Melo is the better fit. After all, the Bulls need a guy that can create his own shot and/or close, which Melo provides in spades. Aside from that, ask yourself this: would you rather have a Gibson-Melo combo or Butler-Love combo if you already have Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah? I'd go with Melo-Gibson everytime.
NardDogNation wrote:fitzfarm wrote:Difference contract wise we can let mkg walk after next year and jr has a eto which I doubt he will exercise.
We need to get rid of JR Smith, I agree. I just don't think that the Bobcats would assume his contract, especially for a guy they value. The only team I could see wanting JR (outside of being packaged with Melo) is the Nets. Pablo Prigioni, JR Smith, Kenyon Martin and Raymond Felton for Marcus Thornton (expirer), Marquis Teague (expirer) and a $3 million trade exception works financially. Jason Kidd has the rapport with those guys to be able to vouch for them and has the veteran leadership to corral JR when he starts acting like a moron. Other than that, expect for JR to remain a Knick.
I like that deal but my hate for the nets is strong and I wouldn't want to help them one bit
TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:This is bogus. I read repeatedly that there is no market for Melo and that smart GMS would not want him plus coaches don't like him.
I'm sure any GM would take him as the third and most would as the 2nd best player.
And the Knicks? We still want him and he'd clearly be the best player on the team (yes, thats not saying much).
Yeah, you don't want to commit max money to him without already having better max players on the roster.
I don't think Phil would max him out though
OK, you don't want to commit anywhere near max money to him unless you already have better max players on the team.
So you would let Melo go? 'Cause I don't think we get other max players to come here without Melo already on the team.
Yeah, unless you can do an S & T.
I would have never let it get to this point though.
Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:This is bogus. I read repeatedly that there is no market for Melo and that smart GMS would not want him plus coaches don't like him.
I'm sure any GM would take him as the third and most would as the 2nd best player.
And the Knicks? We still want him and he'd clearly be the best player on the team (yes, thats not saying much).
Yeah, you don't want to commit max money to him without already having better max players on the roster.
I don't think Phil would max him out though
OK, you don't want to commit anywhere near max money to him unless you already have better max players on the team.
So you would let Melo go? 'Cause I don't think we get other max players to come here without Melo already on the team.
Yeah, unless you can do an S & T.
I would have never let it get to this point though.
I'm really not savvy with the sign and trade thing. I heard that the Rockets and Bulls would need to free up space to sign Melo but does that mean that they have to trade with us?
And yeah personally I may have tried to move him before all star break. The way the season was going I would have thought he was gonna leave anyway.
TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:This is bogus. I read repeatedly that there is no market for Melo and that smart GMS would not want him plus coaches don't like him.
I'm sure any GM would take him as the third and most would as the 2nd best player.
And the Knicks? We still want him and he'd clearly be the best player on the team (yes, thats not saying much).
Yeah, you don't want to commit max money to him without already having better max players on the roster.
I don't think Phil would max him out though
OK, you don't want to commit anywhere near max money to him unless you already have better max players on the team.
So you would let Melo go? 'Cause I don't think we get other max players to come here without Melo already on the team.
Yeah, unless you can do an S & T.
I would have never let it get to this point though.
I'm really not savvy with the sign and trade thing. I heard that the Rockets and Bulls would need to free up space to sign Melo but does that mean that they have to trade with us?And yeah personally I may have tried to move him before all star break. The way the season was going I would have thought he was gonna leave anyway.
No they do not have to trade with the Knicks and it wouldn't got that far because he would never been on the roster, i'm guessing.
Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:There is no better deal than Chicago mid 2014 picks and Boozer(salary comp) for Melo--we will not get a better deal. His contract comes off and we have full cap space in 2015 and 3 first rounders 2 in 2104 and 1 in 2015. Maybe they can take on Ray Felton as well--that would help us.
I don't think we're going to get to pick the deal we like. Either Melo outright signs somewhere or he tells us which team he'd be willing to let us do an S & T with, and then we get whatever we can.
In this world --most of the time--you have to give to get. They could get rid of Boozer and his 17mm plus the cost of two mid range picks and that would facilitate a 19-20mm$ contract for Melo. That would give them 10mm to spend with a core of Noah Rose Melo Gibson Buler or perhaps just one of the picks this year and one more in a following year.
yellowboy90 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:This is bogus. I read repeatedly that there is no market for Melo and that smart GMS would not want him plus coaches don't like him.
I'm sure any GM would take him as the third and most would as the 2nd best player.
And the Knicks? We still want him and he'd clearly be the best player on the team (yes, thats not saying much).
Yeah, you don't want to commit max money to him without already having better max players on the roster.
I don't think Phil would max him out though
OK, you don't want to commit anywhere near max money to him unless you already have better max players on the team.
So you would let Melo go? 'Cause I don't think we get other max players to come here without Melo already on the team.
Yeah, unless you can do an S & T.
I would have never let it get to this point though.
I'm really not savvy with the sign and trade thing. I heard that the Rockets and Bulls would need to free up space to sign Melo but does that mean that they have to trade with us?And yeah personally I may have tried to move him before all star break. The way the season was going I would have thought he was gonna leave anyway.
No they do not have to trade with the Knicks and it wouldn't got that far because he would never been on the roster, i'm guessing.
Lol that one went over my head
TeamBall wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:This is bogus. I read repeatedly that there is no market for Melo and that smart GMS would not want him plus coaches don't like him.
I'm sure any GM would take him as the third and most would as the 2nd best player.
And the Knicks? We still want him and he'd clearly be the best player on the team (yes, thats not saying much).
Yeah, you don't want to commit max money to him without already having better max players on the roster.
I don't think Phil would max him out though
OK, you don't want to commit anywhere near max money to him unless you already have better max players on the team.
So you would let Melo go? 'Cause I don't think we get other max players to come here without Melo already on the team.
Yeah, unless you can do an S & T.
I would have never let it get to this point though.
I'm really not savvy with the sign and trade thing. I heard that the Rockets and Bulls would need to free up space to sign Melo but does that mean that they have to trade with us?And yeah personally I may have tried to move him before all star break. The way the season was going I would have thought he was gonna leave anyway.
No they do not have to trade with the Knicks and it wouldn't got that far because he would never been on the roster, i'm guessing.
Lol that one went over my head
As of today, Houston and Chicago are over the salary cap for next season. If either team wants Melon on their team they either need to clear enough cap space to sign him or trade for him. The only real difference between a sign and trade and a regular trade is that the player is a free agent and would need to agree to any trade. It's similar to a player having a no-trade clause.
Getting under the cap is not as hard as one would think. During LeBron's free agency the Heat, Bulls and some other teams got under on draft day. I don't know why the Knicks started to clear cap two years before LeBron's FA.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:NardDogNation wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Not only is melo a low IQ player, he's also a Low IQ person in general. I just can't understand why this guy is hell bent on opting out with no real destinantion.
So Melo has been an elite scorer over the course of his career by being "dumb"? That doesn't make any sense.
an elite scorer? not with 45.5FG% and 54.7TS% he isn't elite. and he has averaged 20 shots per game to average 25 points.
does an elite scorer need 20 shots to score 25 points?
So I take it that Kobe was just an "elite" defender? Not an "elite" scorer?
If you say "yes" then I can buy that. You require high efficiency to be an elite scorer.
I'd add elite rebounder and passer too.
And elite fortune in terms of teammate quality.
A .555 TS% is reasonably good too but not elite.
4.8 assists (wade is still holding at 6.0 even though he has slid) and 5.3 rebounds per game is not elite. it all added up to a 55 TS which is certainly not elite (but good).
I do agree that he was very fortunate.
