Knicks · Kobe to NY possibility is smoldering (page 3)
F500ONE wrote:NardDogNation wrote:F500ONE wrote:NardDogNation wrote:F500ONE wrote:NardDogNation wrote:F500ONE wrote:NardDogNation wrote:F500ONE wrote:Kobe is like a very strong drinkA couple shots and fans get inebriated-liquored up beyond
Not allowing them to focus and assess what's taking place properlyKobe looks like the usual Kobe who's on a downward trend
He's always been hella overratedHis "hella overrated" evidently was good enough to produce 5 championships as a franchise player. 'Nuff said.
He's leading the Lakers to a lock
Losing season, while making the palyoffs might be a tough task
There's no need for them to be 0-4They'll probably go 0-10, he's a horrible leader
Who needs a near Superstar talent to have a shot at anythingI don't want to hear anything about his roster
Lin had a crapola roster a couple yrs agoAnd led us to a 9-1 stretch early in the season
Kobe might want to let Linsanity looseYeah, because teammates are irrelevant. What nonsense.
Not nonsensical to be Ofer
Sorry he can't get Glory but then not get Blame
Interpreting anything without context is dumb and myopic. The Lakers won championships because Kobe was able to be one of their better players. They certainly aren't losing because of that fact, today. The Laker roster simply sucks. Their entire starting lineup is composed of bench caliber players that were waived/dumped by their former team. The Bulls didn't want Boozer and ate his $17 million to get rid of him. The Rockets didn't want Jordan Hill or Jeremy Lin and used a pick to get rid of the latter. The Wolves didn't want Wesley Johnson and let him walk. None of that is a rousing endorsement of their talent.
A Champion and HOF elevates their playBoozer played good enough with John Lucas running the team
Lin played with Jared Jeffries, Steve Novak, Landry Fields and had a winning recordWesley Johnson didn't have to be resigned and doesn't have to start
OKC beat Denver No Durant, No WestBrook, No Reggie JacksonI don't have time for the myopic excuses
Lin played 9 fucking games with us that were above average and has yet to come close to replicating those performances. There's a difference between that, or OKC beating a mediocre DEN team and 17 seasons of excellence, coupled with 5 championships.
17 seasons of excellence and 5 Championships
Should show up now and not produce 0fers
Dude missed the playoffs in his primePlaying with Butler and Odom in 2004-2005 [34-48] record
Wade took those same dudes to the playoffs the year prior [42-40] recordTo the Semis and almost knocked the Pacers off
I don't want hear a condensed biography of Kobe's playing career
O-V-R-R-A-T-E-D Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap
Dirk Nowitzki missed the playoffs in his prime. Chris Webber missed the playoffs in his prime. DWAYNE WADE missed the playoffs in his prime. Kevin Garnett missed the playoffs in his prime. Ray Allen missed the playoffs in his prime. Paul Pierce missed the playoffs in his prime. Chris Paul missed the playoffs in his prime. ALL those players are going to the Hall of Fame. Do you start to see how dumb an argument it is to dismiss a player based on whether he missed the playoffs at some point in his career? Now how many of those guys have 5 championship rings to their name?
mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Kobe looks really bad right now. He might look good with Melo in the triangle.What games have you been watching? He looks incredible !
what the hell are you watching and how the hell do you judge players?
Let me guess ... the number of points they score?
Please do some research, did he have a good game last night??????
You're right. We should throw money at Kyle Korver to put us into contention.
And yeah, I thought Kobe had a pretty good game last night.
I watched the whole game last night and he was AWFUL!Lets take a deeper look than overrated points:
28 points on 28 shots = BAD
1 assist = horrible
7 turnovers = ???
1 for 6 from 3 = bloody awful
So ... how did he have a GOOD game? He was terrible ChuckKobe.
And how many hockey assists did he have? How much space did he create for teammates by being such a prominent offensive player? How many fouls did he draw? How many hustle plays did he have that contributed to an extra possession? None of that stuff is really going to show up on a stat sheet, especially when your intent is biased into trying to make a player look bad.....even if the guy was a franchise player on a team that won 5 rings. If he had a Carmelo Anthony and teammates worth a damn, all this criticism goes away.
newyorknewyork wrote:NY would not allow this move to work. With them eating up as much of the cap that they would it would be hard to get them more talent. Kobe and Melo need other ball movers. Lakers put Odom and Gasol and Blake around Kobe which allowed him to do his thing. They had balance.
If we trade for Kobe...you can trade for his help. We've got approximately $70 million of expendable, expiring contracts, so is that really unfathomable? We could trade for the Pacers' leftovers and become major players in the East.
NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Kobe looks really bad right now. He might look good with Melo in the triangle.What games have you been watching? He looks incredible !
what the hell are you watching and how the hell do you judge players?
Let me guess ... the number of points they score?
Please do some research, did he have a good game last night??????
You're right. We should throw money at Kyle Korver to put us into contention.
And yeah, I thought Kobe had a pretty good game last night.
I watched the whole game last night and he was AWFUL!Lets take a deeper look than overrated points:
28 points on 28 shots = BAD
1 assist = horrible
7 turnovers = ???
1 for 6 from 3 = bloody awful
So ... how did he have a GOOD game? He was terrible ChuckKobe.
And how many hockey assists did he have? How much space did he create for teammates by being such a prominent offensive player? How many fouls did he draw? How many hustle plays did he have that contributed to an extra possession? None of that stuff is really going to show up on a stat sheet, especially when your intent is biased into trying to make a player look bad.....even if the guy was a franchise player on a team that won 5 rings. If he had a Carmelo Anthony and teammates worth a damn, all this criticism goes away.
those are all things that people say to excuse awful play and a bad stat sheet.
I think that you are biased and blind to his awful play.
-30?
How many hockey assists did he have? Please show me.
mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Kobe looks really bad right now. He might look good with Melo in the triangle.What games have you been watching? He looks incredible !
what the hell are you watching and how the hell do you judge players?
Let me guess ... the number of points they score?
Please do some research, did he have a good game last night??????
You're right. We should throw money at Kyle Korver to put us into contention.
And yeah, I thought Kobe had a pretty good game last night.
I watched the whole game last night and he was AWFUL!Lets take a deeper look than overrated points:
28 points on 28 shots = BAD
1 assist = horrible
7 turnovers = ???
1 for 6 from 3 = bloody awful
So ... how did he have a GOOD game? He was terrible ChuckKobe.
And how many hockey assists did he have? How much space did he create for teammates by being such a prominent offensive player? How many fouls did he draw? How many hustle plays did he have that contributed to an extra possession? None of that stuff is really going to show up on a stat sheet, especially when your intent is biased into trying to make a player look bad.....even if the guy was a franchise player on a team that won 5 rings. If he had a Carmelo Anthony and teammates worth a damn, all this criticism goes away.
those are all things that people say to excuse awful play and a bad stat sheet.
I think that you are biased and blind to his awful play.
-30?
How many hockey assists did he have? Please show me.
To know that, I'd have to watch the game and count them out which I am not inclined to do. But you may continue to throw your stats around and pretend they confirm some definitive end. Reality, however, does NOT operate in a vaccuum that gives credence to that nonsense. If it did, I would have believed RealGM and TrueHoop on the cusps of the 2009-2010 season, who began suggesting that Kevin Durant was nothing more than an empty stats guy because he had one of the worst, if not THE worst plus/minus in the league. Fortunately for me, I had eyes and common sense so I never believed it for a second. Today, Kevin Durant is rightfully recognized as a superstar and those ridiculous assertions were quickly forgotten since the Thunder made the playoffs that season.
NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Kobe looks really bad right now. He might look good with Melo in the triangle.What games have you been watching? He looks incredible !
what the hell are you watching and how the hell do you judge players?
Let me guess ... the number of points they score?
Please do some research, did he have a good game last night??????
You're right. We should throw money at Kyle Korver to put us into contention.
And yeah, I thought Kobe had a pretty good game last night.
I watched the whole game last night and he was AWFUL!Lets take a deeper look than overrated points:
28 points on 28 shots = BAD
1 assist = horrible
7 turnovers = ???
1 for 6 from 3 = bloody awful
So ... how did he have a GOOD game? He was terrible ChuckKobe.
And how many hockey assists did he have? How much space did he create for teammates by being such a prominent offensive player? How many fouls did he draw? How many hustle plays did he have that contributed to an extra possession? None of that stuff is really going to show up on a stat sheet, especially when your intent is biased into trying to make a player look bad.....even if the guy was a franchise player on a team that won 5 rings. If he had a Carmelo Anthony and teammates worth a damn, all this criticism goes away.
those are all things that people say to excuse awful play and a bad stat sheet.
I think that you are biased and blind to his awful play.
-30?
How many hockey assists did he have? Please show me.
To know that, I'd have to watch the game and count them out which I am not inclined to do. But you may continue to throw your stats around and pretend they confirm some definitive end. Reality, however, does NOT operate in a vaccuum that gives credence to that nonsense. If it did, I would have believed RealGM and TrueHoop on the cusps of the 2009-2010 season, who began suggesting that Kevin Durant was nothing more than an empty stats guy because he had one of the worst, if not THE worst plus/minus in the league. Fortunately for me, I had eyes and common sense so I never believed it for a second. Today, Kevin Durant is rightfully recognized as a superstar and those ridiculous assertions were quickly forgotten since the Thunder made the playoffs that season.
so thats your argument? Kevin Durants rep on real gm?
Your eyes are blinding you.
mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Kobe looks really bad right now. He might look good with Melo in the triangle.What games have you been watching? He looks incredible !
what the hell are you watching and how the hell do you judge players?
Let me guess ... the number of points they score?
Please do some research, did he have a good game last night??????
You're right. We should throw money at Kyle Korver to put us into contention.
And yeah, I thought Kobe had a pretty good game last night.
I watched the whole game last night and he was AWFUL!Lets take a deeper look than overrated points:
28 points on 28 shots = BAD
1 assist = horrible
7 turnovers = ???
1 for 6 from 3 = bloody awful
So ... how did he have a GOOD game? He was terrible ChuckKobe.
And how many hockey assists did he have? How much space did he create for teammates by being such a prominent offensive player? How many fouls did he draw? How many hustle plays did he have that contributed to an extra possession? None of that stuff is really going to show up on a stat sheet, especially when your intent is biased into trying to make a player look bad.....even if the guy was a franchise player on a team that won 5 rings. If he had a Carmelo Anthony and teammates worth a damn, all this criticism goes away.
those are all things that people say to excuse awful play and a bad stat sheet.
I think that you are biased and blind to his awful play.
-30?
How many hockey assists did he have? Please show me.
To know that, I'd have to watch the game and count them out which I am not inclined to do. But you may continue to throw your stats around and pretend they confirm some definitive end. Reality, however, does NOT operate in a vaccuum that gives credence to that nonsense. If it did, I would have believed RealGM and TrueHoop on the cusps of the 2009-2010 season, who began suggesting that Kevin Durant was nothing more than an empty stats guy because he had one of the worst, if not THE worst plus/minus in the league. Fortunately for me, I had eyes and common sense so I never believed it for a second. Today, Kevin Durant is rightfully recognized as a superstar and those ridiculous assertions were quickly forgotten since the Thunder made the playoffs that season.
so thats your argument? Kevin Durants rep on real gm?
Your eyes are blinding you.
The thread was concerning the article that suggested Durant was an empty stats guy. I offered the thread instead of the article itself because it helped build context on the opinions of Durant at that time. Here is an excerpt from the actual article they were responding to:
And yet, a shocking piece of news: The Thunder have, over the last two years, consistently performed worse than normal when Durant is on the floor. Any way you slice the +/- numbers, he's one of the Thunder's worst players.You read that correctly. Kevin Durant, uniformly regarded as an out-of-this-world NBA player, has been killing his team.
Sometimes +/- can punish players simply for being on bad teams, but this is more than that. Mavericks' statistical expert Wayne Winston's in-depth lineup data shows that every one of Durant's key teammates -- Russell Westbrook, Jeff Green, Nenad Krstic, Nick Collison -- gets better, in many cases far better, results playing with less heralded teammates Thabo Sefolosha or Kyle Weaver while Durant sits.
In fact, almost nobody on the Thunder has a +/- rating as poor as Durant's. Winston rates Durant's performance "in the lowest 10% of all NBA players."
NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Kobe looks really bad right now. He might look good with Melo in the triangle.What games have you been watching? He looks incredible !
what the hell are you watching and how the hell do you judge players?
Let me guess ... the number of points they score?
Please do some research, did he have a good game last night??????
You're right. We should throw money at Kyle Korver to put us into contention.
And yeah, I thought Kobe had a pretty good game last night.
I watched the whole game last night and he was AWFUL!Lets take a deeper look than overrated points:
28 points on 28 shots = BAD
1 assist = horrible
7 turnovers = ???
1 for 6 from 3 = bloody awful
So ... how did he have a GOOD game? He was terrible ChuckKobe.
And how many hockey assists did he have? How much space did he create for teammates by being such a prominent offensive player? How many fouls did he draw? How many hustle plays did he have that contributed to an extra possession? None of that stuff is really going to show up on a stat sheet, especially when your intent is biased into trying to make a player look bad.....even if the guy was a franchise player on a team that won 5 rings. If he had a Carmelo Anthony and teammates worth a damn, all this criticism goes away.
those are all things that people say to excuse awful play and a bad stat sheet.
I think that you are biased and blind to his awful play.
-30?
How many hockey assists did he have? Please show me.
To know that, I'd have to watch the game and count them out which I am not inclined to do. But you may continue to throw your stats around and pretend they confirm some definitive end. Reality, however, does NOT operate in a vaccuum that gives credence to that nonsense. If it did, I would have believed RealGM and TrueHoop on the cusps of the 2009-2010 season, who began suggesting that Kevin Durant was nothing more than an empty stats guy because he had one of the worst, if not THE worst plus/minus in the league. Fortunately for me, I had eyes and common sense so I never believed it for a second. Today, Kevin Durant is rightfully recognized as a superstar and those ridiculous assertions were quickly forgotten since the Thunder made the playoffs that season.
so thats your argument? Kevin Durants rep on real gm?
Your eyes are blinding you.
The thread was concerning the article that suggested Durant was an empty stats guy. I offered the thread instead of the article itself because it helped build context on the opinions of Durant at that time. Here is an excerpt from the actual article they were responding to:
And yet, a shocking piece of news: The Thunder have, over the last two years, consistently performed worse than normal when Durant is on the floor. Any way you slice the +/- numbers, he's one of the Thunder's worst players.You read that correctly. Kevin Durant, uniformly regarded as an out-of-this-world NBA player, has been killing his team.
Sometimes +/- can punish players simply for being on bad teams, but this is more than that. Mavericks' statistical expert Wayne Winston's in-depth lineup data shows that every one of Durant's key teammates -- Russell Westbrook, Jeff Green, Nenad Krstic, Nick Collison -- gets better, in many cases far better, results playing with less heralded teammates Thabo Sefolosha or Kyle Weaver while Durant sits.
In fact, almost nobody on the Thunder has a +/- rating as poor as Durant's. Winston rates Durant's performance "in the lowest 10% of all NBA players."
+/- for the most part is not a reliable stat since you can't make up for other variables.
Durant has turned into one of the top advanced stats guys in the game.
Who is a super max that does not have super advanced stats? Very few.
You are a respectful poster and I like that you are trying to be creative but all the players that you suggest we go after are severe under performers on bloated contracts. Tyreke, Josh Smith ...
Kobe is an enigma that still fools people but he will not bring in the cohesion and team play that we need.
I want mid salaries for guys like:
David West
Goran Dragic
Robby Lopez
K. Leonard
Paul Milsap
Kyly Lowry
K Korver
T Ariza
Advanced stats can have exception especially with the PG's howver, they are usually spot on.
Also, as far as kobe, are you happy with the way he played last night?
NardDogNation wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:NY would not allow this move to work. With them eating up as much of the cap that they would it would be hard to get them more talent. Kobe and Melo need other ball movers. Lakers put Odom and Gasol and Blake around Kobe which allowed him to do his thing. They had balance.If we trade for Kobe...you can trade for his help. We've got approximately $70 million of expendable, expiring contracts, so is that really unfathomable? We could trade for the Pacers' leftovers and become major players in the East.
In order to get adequate help though we would probably have to give up draft picks as well as expirings. There is a lot of planning that would need to go along with bringing Kobe here.
In NY though if there is any possibility of dysfunction then the fans and media will pick, and pick, and pick at it forcing the possibilities to become reality.
mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Kobe looks really bad right now. He might look good with Melo in the triangle.What games have you been watching? He looks incredible !
what the hell are you watching and how the hell do you judge players?
Let me guess ... the number of points they score?
Please do some research, did he have a good game last night??????
You're right. We should throw money at Kyle Korver to put us into contention.
And yeah, I thought Kobe had a pretty good game last night.
I watched the whole game last night and he was AWFUL!Lets take a deeper look than overrated points:
28 points on 28 shots = BAD
1 assist = horrible
7 turnovers = ???
1 for 6 from 3 = bloody awful
So ... how did he have a GOOD game? He was terrible ChuckKobe.
And how many hockey assists did he have? How much space did he create for teammates by being such a prominent offensive player? How many fouls did he draw? How many hustle plays did he have that contributed to an extra possession? None of that stuff is really going to show up on a stat sheet, especially when your intent is biased into trying to make a player look bad.....even if the guy was a franchise player on a team that won 5 rings. If he had a Carmelo Anthony and teammates worth a damn, all this criticism goes away.
those are all things that people say to excuse awful play and a bad stat sheet.
I think that you are biased and blind to his awful play.
-30?
How many hockey assists did he have? Please show me.
To know that, I'd have to watch the game and count them out which I am not inclined to do. But you may continue to throw your stats around and pretend they confirm some definitive end. Reality, however, does NOT operate in a vaccuum that gives credence to that nonsense. If it did, I would have believed RealGM and TrueHoop on the cusps of the 2009-2010 season, who began suggesting that Kevin Durant was nothing more than an empty stats guy because he had one of the worst, if not THE worst plus/minus in the league. Fortunately for me, I had eyes and common sense so I never believed it for a second. Today, Kevin Durant is rightfully recognized as a superstar and those ridiculous assertions were quickly forgotten since the Thunder made the playoffs that season.
so thats your argument? Kevin Durants rep on real gm?
Your eyes are blinding you.
The thread was concerning the article that suggested Durant was an empty stats guy. I offered the thread instead of the article itself because it helped build context on the opinions of Durant at that time. Here is an excerpt from the actual article they were responding to:
And yet, a shocking piece of news: The Thunder have, over the last two years, consistently performed worse than normal when Durant is on the floor. Any way you slice the +/- numbers, he's one of the Thunder's worst players.You read that correctly. Kevin Durant, uniformly regarded as an out-of-this-world NBA player, has been killing his team.
Sometimes +/- can punish players simply for being on bad teams, but this is more than that. Mavericks' statistical expert Wayne Winston's in-depth lineup data shows that every one of Durant's key teammates -- Russell Westbrook, Jeff Green, Nenad Krstic, Nick Collison -- gets better, in many cases far better, results playing with less heralded teammates Thabo Sefolosha or Kyle Weaver while Durant sits.
In fact, almost nobody on the Thunder has a +/- rating as poor as Durant's. Winston rates Durant's performance "in the lowest 10% of all NBA players."
+/- for the most part is not a reliable stat since you can't make up for other variables.
Durant has turned into one of the top advanced stats guys in the game.
Who is a super max that does not have super advanced stats? Very few.
You are a respectful poster and I like that you are trying to be creative but all the players that you suggest we go after are severe under performers on bloated contracts. Tyreke, Josh Smith ...
Kobe is an enigma that still fools people but he will not bring in the cohesion and team play that we need.
I want mid salaries for guys like:
David West
Goran Dragic
Robby Lopez
K. Leonard
Paul Milsap
Kyly Lowry
K Korver
T ArizaAdvanced stats can have exception especially with the PG's howver, they are usually spot on.
Also, as far as kobe, are you happy with the way he played last night?
West would be a really nice grab this off season though he is getting up there in age.
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Kobe Bryant: I don't even think about leaving the Lakers
Yahoo Sports By Marc J. Spears 4 hours ago
OAKLAND, Calif. – With the Los Angeles Lakers still searching for their first victory of the season,Kobe Bryant's quest for a sixth NBA championship has never appeared more difficult. Bryant, however, isn't ready to start issuing trade demands.
"I hear the chatter of Kobe should ask out and he should go and play for a contender in this latter stage of his career," Bryant told Yahoo Sports. "But that's not what I do. I'm extremely loyal to the Lakers.
"I believe in fighting through the tough times as well as enjoying the good times. It's my responsibility to get us to be the best that we can be. It's important that we approach that on a day-to-day basis."
The Lakers' 0-4 start is their worst since they also went 0-4 to begin the 1957-58 season, back when the franchise was in Minneapolis. Their upcoming schedule also won't afford them any easy opportunities with games against the Phoenix Suns, Charlotte Hornets and Memphis Grizzlies.
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Lakers guard Steve Nash is ruled out for the season because of a nagging back injury. First-round pick Julius Randle broke his right leg in the opener and is out for the season. The Lakers are also playing without Nick Young and Ryan Kelly, who have injuries.
"We can't get discouraged by it," Bryant said. "It's a very long season. You just have to stay the course. Keep on looking to improve, keep on looking to get better and things will eventually break.
"I've enjoyed a great amount of success here. You can't just enjoy the successful times and then run away from the bad ones. No, I don't even think about [departing]. I'm a Laker."
Bryant's contract (he makes $23.5 million this season and $25 million next season) and age (36) would likely limit the Lakers' trade opportunities. In 2007, Bryant asked for a trade after the Lakers' front office failed to make any strong moves to improve the franchise. He dropped his trade request after the Lakers acquired Pau Gasol in a trade and they followed by advancing to the 2008 NBA Finals. This time, Bryant wasn't upset with the fruitless free agency for the Lakers this past offseason.
Carmelo Anthony appeared to be the biggest potential free-agent acquisition, but he opted to return to the New York Knicks. LeBron James left the Miami Heat to return home to the Cleveland Cavaliers and didn't take the Lakers seriously. The Lakers also lost Gasol to the Chicago Bulls.
"It was really tough to land those free agents just because of the opportunities that they had," Bryant said. "You got 'Melo going back to New York, LeBron going back home to Cleveland. The odds just weren't in our favor. But I took comfort in the fact that the Lakers did absolutely everything possible to make it happen. Absolutely everything possible.
"We offered Pau an incredible deal. I saw them put the work in. It's much different than in 2007 when I felt like they were just sitting on their hands. This is not that case. They were going after it and being aggressive. I will fight for that till the end. They tried, tried and tried and it didn't work out. I stand behind them 110 percent. I bleed purple and gold."
One silver lining for the Lakers has been Bryant's strong play so far after he appeared in just six games last season because of injuries. He is averaging 24.8 points, 4.2 rebounds and 3.2 assists in four games this season. He scored a season-high 31 points against the Phoenix Suns last Wednesday and threw down an acrobatic vintage against the Los Angeles Clippers last Friday that even surprised him.
"I knew I was ready, I was healthy and my skill was there," Bryant said. "I did everything possible and that's the important thing. Everything I could control, diet, training, stretching, therapy. …I did everything physically possible.
"I do have a lot of comfort in the fact that I didn't try to take a lot of shortcuts and because of that my body feels great."
Lakers fans have enjoyed 16 titles and aren't accustomed to losing. Bryant offered a message to the frustrated fans.
"You have to understand there is nothing you can do with what's transpired," Bryant said. "You have to move on to tomorrow. Right? You have to. Kicking and screaming is not going to do anything.
"Lakers fans know it's a process. Things can turn pretty quickly. We've seen it there before. If there is anything we're relying on, we're relying on our history, what we've been able to accomplish and how quickly we are able to turn things around."
NardDogNation wrote:F500ONE wrote:NardDogNation wrote:F500ONE wrote:NardDogNation wrote:F500ONE wrote:NardDogNation wrote:F500ONE wrote:NardDogNation wrote:F500ONE wrote:Kobe is like a very strong drinkA couple shots and fans get inebriated-liquored up beyond
Not allowing them to focus and assess what's taking place properlyKobe looks like the usual Kobe who's on a downward trend
He's always been hella overratedHis "hella overrated" evidently was good enough to produce 5 championships as a franchise player. 'Nuff said.
He's leading the Lakers to a lock
Losing season, while making the palyoffs might be a tough task
There's no need for them to be 0-4They'll probably go 0-10, he's a horrible leader
Who needs a near Superstar talent to have a shot at anythingI don't want to hear anything about his roster
Lin had a crapola roster a couple yrs agoAnd led us to a 9-1 stretch early in the season
Kobe might want to let Linsanity looseYeah, because teammates are irrelevant. What nonsense.
Not nonsensical to be Ofer
Sorry he can't get Glory but then not get Blame
Interpreting anything without context is dumb and myopic. The Lakers won championships because Kobe was able to be one of their better players. They certainly aren't losing because of that fact, today. The Laker roster simply sucks. Their entire starting lineup is composed of bench caliber players that were waived/dumped by their former team. The Bulls didn't want Boozer and ate his $17 million to get rid of him. The Rockets didn't want Jordan Hill or Jeremy Lin and used a pick to get rid of the latter. The Wolves didn't want Wesley Johnson and let him walk. None of that is a rousing endorsement of their talent.
A Champion and HOF elevates their playBoozer played good enough with John Lucas running the team
Lin played with Jared Jeffries, Steve Novak, Landry Fields and had a winning recordWesley Johnson didn't have to be resigned and doesn't have to start
OKC beat Denver No Durant, No WestBrook, No Reggie JacksonI don't have time for the myopic excuses
Lin played 9 fucking games with us that were above average and has yet to come close to replicating those performances. There's a difference between that, or OKC beating a mediocre DEN team and 17 seasons of excellence, coupled with 5 championships.
17 seasons of excellence and 5 Championships
Should show up now and not produce 0fers
Dude missed the playoffs in his primePlaying with Butler and Odom in 2004-2005 [34-48] record
Wade took those same dudes to the playoffs the year prior [42-40] recordTo the Semis and almost knocked the Pacers off
I don't want hear a condensed biography of Kobe's playing career
O-V-R-R-A-T-E-D Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap, ClapDirk Nowitzki missed the playoffs in his prime. Chris Webber missed the playoffs in his prime. DWAYNE WADE missed the playoffs in his prime. Kevin Garnett missed the playoffs in his prime. Ray Allen missed the playoffs in his prime. Paul Pierce missed the playoffs in his prime. Chris Paul missed the playoffs in his prime. ALL those players are going to the Hall of Fame. Do you start to see how dumb an argument it is to dismiss a player based on whether he missed the playoffs at some point in his career? Now how many of those guys have 5 championship rings to their name?
You're wasting your time- anyone who argues that a player with five championship rings is over rated, and that actually Jeremy Lin is a better player with a better resume, is beyond delusional!
NardDogNation wrote:smackeddog wrote:It would be a terrible move- I'm hoping having Phil marks the end of these types of moves.Name me a player we acquired that has ever been at the level of play of a Kobe Bryant. You'll have a problem doing so because there has been none. Kobe is elite and a surefire HOF.
It's not talent level, it's where he's at health and career wise- T-Mac was an awesome talent but when we got him he was at the end of his career. Kobe only lasted a few games last season on top of the Achilles injury the season before.
Anything else is a star-phuck move at best. Chemistry killer at worst.
babyKnicks wrote:I'd love to get Kobe if amnestied and minimal contract.Exactly. If we got Kobe on a cheap contract then it would be a easy decision because despite his age he still can pla at a high levelAnything else is a star-phuck move at best. Chemistry killer at worst.
Does Phil think Kobe on the knicks would put the team into contention?
Nalod think Kobe has had an amazing career and if his body can hold up that talent is still there.
But the reality is he has a toxic contract for the knicks while we all would love to extropolate the past Kobe into the present and future I just don't think
this would be a good idea.
smackeddog wrote:NardDogNation wrote:smackeddog wrote:It would be a terrible move- I'm hoping having Phil marks the end of these types of moves.Name me a player we acquired that has ever been at the level of play of a Kobe Bryant. You'll have a problem doing so because there has been none. Kobe is elite and a surefire HOF.
It's not talent level, it's where he's at health and career wise- T-Mac was an awesome talent but when we got him he was at the end of his career. Kobe only lasted a few games last season on top of the Achilles injury the season before.
Touche. I been reading so much nonsense about how Kobe's career/game being shit that I thought you were one of them. But the health angle is a very good point that yellowboy has also raised. I'm not suggesting that the deal wouldn't come with risk but I'm not suggesting we give up Trevor Ariza for the shell of Steve Francis or a shot at Nene/Amare for Antonio McDyess. All I'd be willing to give up are expirers that are attached to useless players like Andrea Bargnani, Iman Shumpert and even Amar'e. If the Lakers want young players in the deal as well, I'd expand the deal to include a 3rd team interested in jettisoning young players who have potential but lack trade value e.g. Derrick Williams, CJ McCullom, Evan Turner,etc. But those would be the terms of the deal and I wouldn't budge if I were Phil. The only thing we'd be sacrificing in such a deal is an opportunity to get Greg Monroe or Reggie Jackson, neither of which are capable of impacting a game the way Kobe does at this stage of their respective careers.
SupremeCommander wrote:There is no way Kobe gets dealt for Amar'e straight up... there are legacy implications here with one of the all time greats...
Were there legacy implications when Garnett got dealt? When Barkley got dealt? When Chamberlain got dealt? When Paul Pierce got dealt? When Shaq got dealt (multiple times)? I don't see how the getting traded or what you're traded for can impact your legacy. All that matters is winning and Kobe wins when give a realistic opportunity to.