Knicks · I don't think this is the season we need to push Melo (page 1)

That being said-I think it will not be wise to shoot him close to 40 every night right now. It would be in our best interests if he plays 72 games this year or less and keeps his minutes down to 32-33 tops with an avg of 30. I would definitely hold him out tomorrow night. He just signed a massive contract--if his knee is acting up at game 12--we have to be smart or we ask for serious consequences if we push him right now

gunsnewing wrote:Well they are pushing him just like they pushed H20 despite their knee problems and evident surgery from years over wear & tear

My guess is that Melo will not play the next game. He looked like he was in pain tonight.

They should look at a successful club like San Antonio / (maybe Bulls) and how they rest guys. Why kill Melo this year if we aren't going anyplace. We are setting ourselves up for failure next year.

earthmansurfer wrote:Knicks star Carmelo Anthony’s sore knee takes another lump http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...

They should look at a successful club like San Antonio / (maybe Bulls) and how they rest guys. Why kill Melo this year if we aren't going anyplace. We are setting ourselves up for failure next year.

BRIGGS wrote:That being said-I think it will not be wise to shoot him close to 40 every night right now.

If you want more help/reduced minutes in the NBA, you have to leave money on the table.

Duncan, Parker and Ginobili all took below market deals to stay together and have roster depth.

So did Dirk Nowitzski.

The Miami Big Three took a discount, but not a massive one. So when LBJ looked cooked towards the end playing heavy minutes, that was all on him. If the Big Three each took 15 million instead of close to 20, they could have gotten some real help at center and probably helped their bench.

What did Chris Rock say? You want eat the big piece of chicken, then you better put in the work like Daddy does.

Melo drove players who could help off the roster ( Lin and Chandler) and took nearly every dime he possibly could. The Knicks bent over backwards to give him nearly everything he wanted, and look how it turned out...

The first time Melo complains about heavy minutes and not having more help on the roster, I hope Anthony Mason and Charles Oakley walk into the locker room and beat him to a pulp.

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:That being said-I think it will not be wise to shoot him close to 40 every night right now.

If you want more help/reduced minutes in the NBA, you have to leave money on the table.

Duncan, Parker and Ginobili all took below market deals to stay together and have roster depth.

So did Dirk Nowitzski.

The Miami Big Three took a discount, but not a massive one. So when LBJ looked cooked towards the end playing heavy minutes, that was all on him. If the Big Three each took 15 million instead of close to 20, they could have gotten some real help at center and probably helped their bench.

What did Chris Rock say? You want eat the big piece of chicken, then you better put in the work like Daddy does.

Melo drove players who could help off the roster ( Lin and Chandler) and took nearly every dime he possibly could. The Knicks bent over backwards to give him nearly everything he wanted, and look how it turned out...

The first time Melo complains about heavy minutes and not having more help on the roster, I hope Anthony Mason and Charles Oakley walk into the locker room and beat him to a pulp.

fishmike wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:That being said-I think it will not be wise to shoot him close to 40 every night right now.

If you want more help/reduced minutes in the NBA, you have to leave money on the table.

Duncan, Parker and Ginobili all took below market deals to stay together and have roster depth.

So did Dirk Nowitzski.

The Miami Big Three took a discount, but not a massive one. So when LBJ looked cooked towards the end playing heavy minutes, that was all on him. If the Big Three each took 15 million instead of close to 20, they could have gotten some real help at center and probably helped their bench.

What did Chris Rock say? You want eat the big piece of chicken, then you better put in the work like Daddy does.

Melo drove players who could help off the roster ( Lin and Chandler) and took nearly every dime he possibly could. The Knicks bent over backwards to give him nearly everything he wanted, and look how it turned out...

The first time Melo complains about heavy minutes and not having more help on the roster, I hope Anthony Mason and Charles Oakley walk into the locker room and beat him to a pulp.

roll up your pants... the bullsh!t is getting deep

fishmike wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:That being said-I think it will not be wise to shoot him close to 40 every night right now.

If you want more help/reduced minutes in the NBA, you have to leave money on the table.

Duncan, Parker and Ginobili all took below market deals to stay together and have roster depth.

So did Dirk Nowitzski.

The Miami Big Three took a discount, but not a massive one. So when LBJ looked cooked towards the end playing heavy minutes, that was all on him. If the Big Three each took 15 million instead of close to 20, they could have gotten some real help at center and probably helped their bench.

What did Chris Rock say? You want eat the big piece of chicken, then you better put in the work like Daddy does.

Melo drove players who could help off the roster ( Lin and Chandler) and took nearly every dime he possibly could. The Knicks bent over backwards to give him nearly everything he wanted, and look how it turned out...

The first time Melo complains about heavy minutes and not having more help on the roster, I hope Anthony Mason and Charles Oakley walk into the locker room and beat him to a pulp.

roll up your pants... the bullsh!t is getting deep

Thank God Knick fans have the Spurs to look up to. WTF would we do without Tim Duncan/Parker/Ginobli to talk about? Right, and if bullsh!t ran the league, the Heat would have won all 4 chips, instead of only 2, and it sure was nice of Dirk to take less money on his third or fourth contract.

When do you tell us, TripThreat, about how Landry and Fields and Novak and Camby and Toney Douglas would have led us to the promised land if only Melo wasn't such a greed-filled cancer? What about driving out Felton?

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Knicks star Carmelo Anthony’s sore knee takes another lump http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...

They should look at a successful club like San Antonio / (maybe Bulls) and how they rest guys. Why kill Melo this year if we aren't going anyplace. We are setting ourselves up for failure next year.

Look at Dallas. Their starters are playing like 28 to 30 mpg. If you can't win games doing that, then you're not ready to compete anyway and you shouldn't be worried about W-L records.

How'd sitting out resting and then commenting on it work out for Rose?

When will people look around and realize that San Antonio and Dallas are not NYC? Popovich and Cuban are where they are for a reason, primarily because their brand of sheehit don't play here.

"Welcome to MSG, ladies and gentlemen, the world's most famous arena. Tonight you will be treated to watching maybe a few minutes of our marquis players, followed by a montage of meaningless scrimmage minutes because, as we all know, the NBA regular season doesn't count...your starting line up for your Westchester..errr New York Knicks...."

gunsnewing wrote:I'm not doctor but I don't think knee problems heal from game to game. Usually there is some kind of surgical procedure. Better to have the procedure now since we can benefit from the draft than in the off season and jeopardize next season.

Yeah i'd stay away from the medical stuff if I were you. How do you know it's something that will require surgery? Not all pain is due to a structural issue that needs to be corrected by surgery. It could be tendonitis, a bone bruise heck who knows. I'd like for him to take time off, but he has doctors advising him so it's up to Melo and the doctors.

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I'm not doctor but I don't think knee problems heal from game to game. Usually there is some kind of surgical procedure. Better to have the procedure now since we can benefit from the draft than in the off season and jeopardize next season.

Yeah i'd stay away from the medical stuff if I were you. How do you know it's something that will require surgery? Not all pain is due to a structural issue that needs to be corrected by surgery. It could be tendonitis, a bone bruise heck who knows. I'd like for him to take time off, but he has doctors advising him so it's up to Melo and the doctors.

Emphasis should be on preserving Melo's viability for competitive years. 30 mins a game seems about right, give or take some in close games. More important than number of minutes is the number of QUALITY minutes we get from him, particularly on the defensive end. Melo needs to adjust his mindset about how much energy to expend on D. Right now, he's one of the many matadors on the roster, and that shyte won't fly when we're playoff bound. It's also a terrible example for the team leader. That ish should have left when FluTyson got traded.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Knicks star Carmelo Anthony’s sore knee takes another lump http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...

They should look at a successful club like San Antonio / (maybe Bulls) and how they rest guys. Why kill Melo this year if we aren't going anyplace. We are setting ourselves up for failure next year.

Look at Dallas. Their starters are playing like 28 to 30 mpg. If you can't win games doing that, then you're not ready to compete anyway and you shouldn't be worried about W-L records.

How'd sitting out resting and then commenting on it work out for Rose?

When will people look around and realize that San Antonio and Dallas are not NYC? Popovich and Cuban are where they are for a reason, primarily because their brand of sheehit don't play here.

"Welcome to MSG, ladies and gentlemen, the world's most famous arena. Tonight you will be treated to watching maybe a few minutes of our marquis players, followed by a montage of meaningless scrimmage minutes because, as we all know, the NBA regular season doesn't count...your starting line up for your Westchester..errr New York Knicks...."

Yeah and what do you do if Melo blow's out his knee for the next 4 years. You have an Amare or Allan Houston 2. The reason why the Spurs win is the entire roster contributes not just 1 player. Also my bet is if the KNicks had won 5 championships and almost 7 in the last 15 years--Im sure they would not care if Melo played 40 minutes or 20. It's all about winning and the Knicks have done nothing but lose sans 1 year for the last 15. Worst run franchise in the history of sports

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Knicks star Carmelo Anthony’s sore knee takes another lump http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...

They should look at a successful club like San Antonio / (maybe Bulls) and how they rest guys. Why kill Melo this year if we aren't going anyplace. We are setting ourselves up for failure next year.

Look at Dallas. Their starters are playing like 28 to 30 mpg. If you can't win games doing that, then you're not ready to compete anyway and you shouldn't be worried about W-L records.

How'd sitting out resting and then commenting on it work out for Rose?

When will people look around and realize that San Antonio and Dallas are not NYC? Popovich and Cuban are where they are for a reason, primarily because their brand of sheehit don't play here.

"Welcome to MSG, ladies and gentlemen, the world's most famous arena. Tonight you will be treated to watching maybe a few minutes of our marquis players, followed by a montage of meaningless scrimmage minutes because, as we all know, the NBA regular season doesn't count...your starting line up for your Westchester..errr New York Knicks...."

Your mixing fact with fiction, a bit of a red herring. First, Rose is a recently injured player, SEVERELY. He doesn't belong in the conversation with "healthy" players.
Not sure why you bring up Popovich and Cuban, as their teams are both successful. And calling their winning, sheehit, doesn't exactly make sense.

Lastly, is 30 minutes a night the same as your so called "few minutes"? I'm not sure of your argument as you seem to be taking something e.g. reduced minutes, and then throwing out an extreme e.g. "a few minutes". 30 minutes a night MAX, is plenty for a guy to play who is on a crappy team, who's knees hurt and they aren't going anywhere.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Knicks star Carmelo Anthony’s sore knee takes another lump http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...

They should look at a successful club like San Antonio / (maybe Bulls) and how they rest guys. Why kill Melo this year if we aren't going anyplace. We are setting ourselves up for failure next year.

Look at Dallas. Their starters are playing like 28 to 30 mpg. If you can't win games doing that, then you're not ready to compete anyway and you shouldn't be worried about W-L records.

How'd sitting out resting and then commenting on it work out for Rose?

When will people look around and realize that San Antonio and Dallas are not NYC? Popovich and Cuban are where they are for a reason, primarily because their brand of sheehit don't play here.

"Welcome to MSG, ladies and gentlemen, the world's most famous arena. Tonight you will be treated to watching maybe a few minutes of our marquis players, followed by a montage of meaningless scrimmage minutes because, as we all know, the NBA regular season doesn't count...your starting line up for your Westchester..errr New York Knicks...."

i'd rather be winning 6 titles

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Knicks star Carmelo Anthony’s sore knee takes another lump http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...

They should look at a successful club like San Antonio / (maybe Bulls) and how they rest guys. Why kill Melo this year if we aren't going anyplace. We are setting ourselves up for failure next year.

Look at Dallas. Their starters are playing like 28 to 30 mpg. If you can't win games doing that, then you're not ready to compete anyway and you shouldn't be worried about W-L records.

How'd sitting out resting and then commenting on it work out for Rose?

When will people look around and realize that San Antonio and Dallas are not NYC? Popovich and Cuban are where they are for a reason, primarily because their brand of sheehit don't play here.

"Welcome to MSG, ladies and gentlemen, the world's most famous arena. Tonight you will be treated to watching maybe a few minutes of our marquis players, followed by a montage of meaningless scrimmage minutes because, as we all know, the NBA regular season doesn't count...your starting line up for your Westchester..errr New York Knicks...."

i'd rather be winning 6 titles

Yes and from what I've been told Pop's poop has the pleasing odor of Earl Grey and Cuban's dumps are all about the patchouli.

jrodmc wrote:Thank God Knick fans have the Spurs to look up to. WTF would we do without Tim Duncan/Parker/Ginobli to talk about? Right, and if bullsh!t ran the league, the Heat would have won all 4 chips, instead of only 2, and it sure was nice of Dirk to take less money on his third or fourth contract.

I didn't lose the last labor war for NBA players. They did, and they lost badly.

Teams are essentially working against a "cap" based on the luxury tax and the repeater tax. While teams can, in theory, go into these areas, most teams will not, and the few that have seem to want to rectify that, and very soon.

In the modern NBA, if you want more help on your roster, and you are a player who can command max level money, then you either have to go to a team loaded with young players on rookie deals ( what LBJ did by going back to the Cavs) or you have to leave money on the table. That's it. Direct your anger at me all you want, doesn't change how the modern NBA and building a roster works. Doesn't change it one damn bit.

This issue is true for any NBA roster. If Durant and Westbrook want to complain about not having Harden on the roster, sorry guys, should have left some money back on the table. While OKC could have used the amnesty on Perkins, leaving money on the table would still have been a huge factor. If Chris Paul wants to complain about the Clippers not having more help on the wings, well he took a max deal, sorry dude, you wanted more help, you should have left more money. If he wants to complain about not having a better backup at PG to help him, sorry dude, you took max money, had to save cash somewhere to pay Blake and such, so you are going to have to eat it.

You take max money, you have to take the tradeoffs that come with it. If it's true for every other max level NBA star, it's true for Melo.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. He wanted to lock in his money before a new labor deal changed things, so he "forced" ( his words ) his way to NY, gutting them of assets, getting his max deal, but ensuring that , with STATs huge deal, that the Knicks would have little cap room and almost no assets anywhere else on the roster to build around them. He wanted to get drunk and show up at Chris Paul's wedding and make a toast about making a new "Big Three", triggering the entire Paul saga ( and as if what the Knicks had left, headlined by Landry Fields, would be enough to get Paul, esp with no room to pay him more money) He wanted Pringles gone (god forbid any coach or system that tries to take what the defense gives you),so he got the boot. He wanted no more Lin ( god forbid a young player gets MVP chants for leading the team to wins), so Lin's gone. Can't get along with Chandler. Tyson is gone. Wanted the rest of his CAA cronies here? Got that covered. Wanted max money to stay in NY, got that.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. The Knicks front office has no one to blame but themselves for giving Melo close to everything he wanted, at the cost of the team and it's future.

He could have waited Denver out, signed for less money to NY, without having the Knicks to gut their roster, and give Donnie Walsh a chance to build around him with real assets in play. He could have learned to get a long with coaches and players who have shown that can help the Knicks win. He could have realized in his 2nd Knicks contract that every dollar he takes is a dollar the Knicks can't spend on building a roster around him.

Ever see one of those women on Maury Povich who have four kids from four deadbeat dads, has bad credit, bad teeth, no job, no education, waddling onto the stage pregnant and still can't figure out why life has kept taking a dump on her face?

Sometimes some folks refuse to accept that in their own demise, they are the common denominator.

Since Melo has become a Knick, this team and roster have gotten progressively worse, not better. It's future is more bleak, not brighter.

If Melo has to burn heavy minutes. Tough luck dude. That's the reality of EVERY NBA STAR MAKING MAX MONEY. However there are some players who will give up some money for a better roster, and not having to grind so many minutes and not having to uproot their families searching for every last dime they can get. They get the "math" involved. Clearly Melo doesn't and clearly some of you don't.