IDK if it's the inconsistent minutes, but defensively, sg's have been feasting from downtown, and I think it's the main reason were losing..
I think the rotation is also a big reason for our slow start, but those 3 have been brutal..I thought after JR's big game against denver he would start, it was by far our most impressive victory. THJ had a big game, and so have Shump, but their minutes have been super erratic.
Too many 1 yr contracts on this team for players to go all out, too many roles not define, minutes are all over the place, you can't win like that..
That's what you get for hiring a rookie to coach.....one who is learning how to coach on the fly
I called this during a Knicks-Raps game during Preseason
Here's the exchange
F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:Shump 0-6fgJ.R. 1-11fg
THJR 3-10fg
The hard pill to swallow on those figures
They are capable of doing this again
When the games count
Really? That's the take you have on a poor shooting night? Not that these players will more than likely shoot better than this on average? Geez! And y'all wonder why I talk about Self Hating Knick Fans. SMDH 
What you don't get if they do this
Let's say 15 times out of 82gms[very realistic]
67gms they play mediocre/average/above average
That's probably the difference from being
An okay team to a bad team
Because they'll be their usual self
For the remaining regular season games
And not winning 50gms but more like 35gms
They all have at least 3 bad shooting performances this year
I said they'd have about 15[may have more] and here they are for each
Shumpert
10/29 2-9fg
11/19 1-11fg
11/24 2-10fg
Smith
10/29 2-8fg
11/10 4-11fg
11/18 3-12fg
THJR
10/29 2-10fg
11/12 1-8fg
11/14 1-6fg
[he's also had a couple 2-7fg]
we have dumb guards. the only people who like them are dumb knick fans
Glad we have our pick.
If you are on a 1 year contract, you are playing for your next contract - so no excuses.
We suck and they started by playing above their heads, as they (somewhat) did with Woody (but we had more talent then).
They are really good players. THjr is a star in the making. JR was the 6th man of the year and Iman Shumpert is the best 2 way player since Ewing. These guys would be great if Melo shared the ball.
There... someone had to say it 
!!!!
fishmike wrote:They are really good players. THjr is a star in the making. JR was the 6th man of the year and Iman Shumpert is the best 2 way player since Ewing. These guys would be great if Melo shared the ball.There... someone had to say it !!!!
You're funny fish Even when nobody is hating on melo you have make one up in order to defend him
I blame the minutes mostly. However they all have their weaknesses. Shumpert obviously is inconsistent and shows flashes of being a offensive player but then goes through stretches where he cant hit anything. JR Smith is the type of player you give a 1 year commitment to which is why i hated teh resigning even when he won the 6th man. Hardaway in my opinion is struggling because he is getting inconsistent minutes compared to last year. Im not making excuses for his terrible defense or his inconsistent shooting but he isnt getting the minutes to get into the flow of teh game where he can find his shot or even get comfortable
You can't play 12 guys every night, thats the dumbest sht i ever seen in my life. Making up starting line ups on game day. Who the hell plays 3 pgs, and 3 shooting guards, it's retarded.
knicks1248 wrote:IDK if it's the inconsistent minutes, but defensively, sg's have been feasting from downtown, and I think it's the main reason were losing..I think the rotation is also a big reason for our slow start, but those 3 have been brutal..I thought after JR's big game against denver he would start, it was by far our most impressive victory. THJ had a big game, and so have Shump, but their minutes have been super erratic.
Too many 1 yr contracts on this team for players to go all out, too many roles not define, minutes are all over the place, you can't win like that..
Wait a second. On one post you say there is no value in letting the Knicks tank--now you post that almost every current Knick scks. You cant see why we need a high pick?
StarksEwing1 wrote:fishmike wrote:They are really good players. THjr is a star in the making. JR was the 6th man of the year and Iman Shumpert is the best 2 way player since Ewing. These guys would be great if Melo shared the ball.There... someone had to say it !!!!
You're funny fish Even when nobody is hating on melo you have make one up in order to defend him
It's becoming a sick and twisted trend between he and jrod
They can never stay on point
Skull Danger levels of intoxication
BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:IDK if it's the inconsistent minutes, but defensively, sg's have been feasting from downtown, and I think it's the main reason were losing..I think the rotation is also a big reason for our slow start, but those 3 have been brutal..I thought after JR's big game against denver he would start, it was by far our most impressive victory. THJ had a big game, and so have Shump, but their minutes have been super erratic.
Too many 1 yr contracts on this team for players to go all out, too many roles not define, minutes are all over the place, you can't win like that..
Wait a second. On one post you say there is no value in letting the Knicks tank--now you post that almost every current Knick scks. You cant see why we need a high pick?
Now hold your horses Briggs you did
Start that ridiculous let's give
Amar'e another multi-yr deal thread right
BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:IDK if it's the inconsistent minutes, but defensively, sg's have been feasting from downtown, and I think it's the main reason were losing..I think the rotation is also a big reason for our slow start, but those 3 have been brutal..I thought after JR's big game against denver he would start, it was by far our most impressive victory. THJ had a big game, and so have Shump, but their minutes have been super erratic.
Too many 1 yr contracts on this team for players to go all out, too many roles not define, minutes are all over the place, you can't win like that..
Wait a second. On one post you say there is no value in letting the Knicks tank--now you post that almost every current Knick scks. You cant see why we need a high pick?
Unless There is a sure star coming out, i'll trade my pick in a heart beat..Whats to keep us from drafting another shumpert or THJ, with a low IQ, AND NEEDS 5 YRS TO DEVELOP, or is injury prone like rose and kyrie.
Kyrie was a NUMBER 1 pick and has been in the league for 3 yrs, and Cleveland is still horrible with multiple number one picks. Then they trade all of there picks for LOVE who can't defend, has no post up game, and doesn't fit there system.
There are no durants, duncans, labrons, curry's coming out of college, so I don't why you guys are gun ho about a NBA draft that has a 10% chance of producing a impact player
StarksEwing1 wrote:fishmike wrote:They are really good players. THjr is a star in the making. JR was the 6th man of the year and Iman Shumpert is the best 2 way player since Ewing. These guys would be great if Melo shared the ball.There... someone had to say it !!!!
You're funny fish Even when nobody is hating on melo you have make one up in order to defend him
still waiting for the defense part... I mean Melo is a start. He should be making these guys better. Just another group of players that Carmelo has failed to motivate. This one's on Melo. Thread closed!
knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:IDK if it's the inconsistent minutes, but defensively, sg's have been feasting from downtown, and I think it's the main reason were losing..I think the rotation is also a big reason for our slow start, but those 3 have been brutal..I thought after JR's big game against denver he would start, it was by far our most impressive victory. THJ had a big game, and so have Shump, but their minutes have been super erratic.
Too many 1 yr contracts on this team for players to go all out, too many roles not define, minutes are all over the place, you can't win like that..
Wait a second. On one post you say there is no value in letting the Knicks tank--now you post that almost every current Knick scks. You cant see why we need a high pick?
Unless There is a sure star coming out, i'll trade my pick in a heart beat..Whats to keep us from drafting another shumpert or THJ, with a low IQ, AND NEEDS 5 YRS TO DEVELOP, or is injury prone like rose and kyrie.Kyrie was a NUMBER 1 pick and has been in the league for 3 yrs, and Cleveland is still horrible with multiple number one picks. Then they trade all of there picks for LOVE who can't defend, has no post up game, and doesn't fit there system.
There are no durants, duncans, labrons, curry's coming out of college, so I don't why you guys are gun ho about a NBA draft that has a 10% chance of producing a impact player
You haven't been watching enough College Bball
There's about 3-4 players who can change a franchise, who may declare
Anywhere from Anthony Davis type to Joahkim Noah, LaMarcus Aldridge type
If you don't want to be in the lottery to have a chance at them
Then you're just being unrealistic on what the draft should be about
knicks1248 wrote:IDK if it's the inconsistent minutes, but defensively, sg's have been feasting from downtown, and I think it's the main reason were losing..I think the rotation is also a big reason for our slow start, but those 3 have been brutal..I thought after JR's big game against denver he would start, it was by far our most impressive victory. THJ had a big game, and so have Shump, but their minutes have been super erratic.
Too many 1 yr contracts on this team for players to go all out, too many roles not define, minutes are all over the place, you can't win like that..
BINGO, BINGO, BINGO --- you are correct sir.
All 3 of these guys are TRASH --- need to clean house and just get a SG that actually understands the game and can play smart solid basketball.
These 3 guys are like Larry, Mo and Curley.
knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:IDK if it's the inconsistent minutes, but defensively, sg's have been feasting from downtown, and I think it's the main reason were losing..I think the rotation is also a big reason for our slow start, but those 3 have been brutal..I thought after JR's big game against denver he would start, it was by far our most impressive victory. THJ had a big game, and so have Shump, but their minutes have been super erratic.
Too many 1 yr contracts on this team for players to go all out, too many roles not define, minutes are all over the place, you can't win like that..
Wait a second. On one post you say there is no value in letting the Knicks tank--now you post that almost every current Knick scks. You cant see why we need a high pick?
Unless There is a sure star coming out, i'll trade my pick in a heart beat..Whats to keep us from drafting another shumpert or THJ, with a low IQ, AND NEEDS 5 YRS TO DEVELOP, or is injury prone like rose and kyrie.Kyrie was a NUMBER 1 pick and has been in the league for 3 yrs, and Cleveland is still horrible with multiple number one picks. Then they trade all of there picks for LOVE who can't defend, has no post up game, and doesn't fit there system.
There are no durants, duncans, labrons, curry's coming out of college, so I don't why you guys are gun ho about a NBA draft that has a 10% chance of producing a impact player
I actually agree with you 100%. The year to have a top draft pick was last year. The next draft, the available players will be like the draft where Kwame brown was drafted if not worse.
Knicks1969 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:IDK if it's the inconsistent minutes, but defensively, sg's have been feasting from downtown, and I think it's the main reason were losing..I think the rotation is also a big reason for our slow start, but those 3 have been brutal..I thought after JR's big game against denver he would start, it was by far our most impressive victory. THJ had a big game, and so have Shump, but their minutes have been super erratic.
Too many 1 yr contracts on this team for players to go all out, too many roles not define, minutes are all over the place, you can't win like that..
Wait a second. On one post you say there is no value in letting the Knicks tank--now you post that almost every current Knick scks. You cant see why we need a high pick?
Unless There is a sure star coming out, i'll trade my pick in a heart beat..Whats to keep us from drafting another shumpert or THJ, with a low IQ, AND NEEDS 5 YRS TO DEVELOP, or is injury prone like rose and kyrie.Kyrie was a NUMBER 1 pick and has been in the league for 3 yrs, and Cleveland is still horrible with multiple number one picks. Then they trade all of there picks for LOVE who can't defend, has no post up game, and doesn't fit there system.
There are no durants, duncans, labrons, curry's coming out of college, so I don't why you guys are gun ho about a NBA draft that has a 10% chance of producing a impact player
I actually agree with you 100%. The year to have a top draft pick was last year. The next draft, the available players will be like the draft where Kwame brown was drafted if not worse.
briggs you can ignore the fact all day, but you can't dispute what you have witness with your own 2 eyes. Look how many draft picks we have given away, look how many players we have drafted and traded away..I just don't see any difference. The knicks have been border line avg when it comes to drafting. but if fisher keeps doing what he's doing, make no mistake, we will have a high pick, maybe even #1 overall
But my guess is that phil will trade one of our guards before the dead line.
Beer! Pretzels! Draft Picks!
Get yer beer heeeyah!
Get yer draft picks heeyah!
knicks1248 wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:IDK if it's the inconsistent minutes, but defensively, sg's have been feasting from downtown, and I think it's the main reason were losing..I think the rotation is also a big reason for our slow start, but those 3 have been brutal..I thought after JR's big game against denver he would start, it was by far our most impressive victory. THJ had a big game, and so have Shump, but their minutes have been super erratic.
Too many 1 yr contracts on this team for players to go all out, too many roles not define, minutes are all over the place, you can't win like that..
Wait a second. On one post you say there is no value in letting the Knicks tank--now you post that almost every current Knick scks. You cant see why we need a high pick?
Unless There is a sure star coming out, i'll trade my pick in a heart beat..Whats to keep us from drafting another shumpert or THJ, with a low IQ, AND NEEDS 5 YRS TO DEVELOP, or is injury prone like rose and kyrie.Kyrie was a NUMBER 1 pick and has been in the league for 3 yrs, and Cleveland is still horrible with multiple number one picks. Then they trade all of there picks for LOVE who can't defend, has no post up game, and doesn't fit there system.
There are no durants, duncans, labrons, curry's coming out of college, so I don't why you guys are gun ho about a NBA draft that has a 10% chance of producing a impact player
I actually agree with you 100%. The year to have a top draft pick was last year. The next draft, the available players will be like the draft where Kwame brown was drafted if not worse.
briggs you can ignore the fact all day, but you can't dispute what you have witness with your own 2 eyes. Look how many draft picks we have given away, look how many players we have drafted and traded away..I just don't see any difference. The knicks have been border line avg when it comes to drafting. but if fisher keeps doing what he's doing, make no mistake, we will have a high pick, maybe even #1 overall
But my guess is that phil will trade one of our guards before the dead line.
True the Knicks strategy of poaching free agent veteran talent has proven so successful over the past decade and a half.
High lottery picks aren't solely about hitting a home run or bust. It's about a pipeline of cheap young talent that's cost controlled so you can build winning teams. Every single NBA champ of the last couple decades has had homegrown drafted players as crucial elements of the team. That's a fact.
This idea that draft picks are worthless unless your team is locked into some perpetual quixotic rebuild is warped reality. The reality is that bad management can screw up team building in many different facets including the draft. Look at how a team like Indiana added draft picks to savvy free agent acquisitions to build the team that went to the ECF 2 years in a row (just one example).
Every team besides the Knicks seems to know that they are the most valuable assets in the NBA except us. Hopefully that's changing under Jackson's regime.
