Knicks · A TRADE OF SHUMP AND AMARE FOR (BORN READY) STEPHENSON (page 4)
H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:VCoug wrote:mreinman wrote:VCoug wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:The point for the OKC trade is actually to help Fisher the coach. Like good coaching, it is imperative to have a vet on the bench to help the young players understand what it is they are doing incorrectly. Like when Kidd and Sheed were on the bench two seasons ago. Or Kidd the coach his first year with the Nets. Without Garnett or Pierce, it would have been a train wreck in Kidd's first year.I am not saying OKC would do the trade; I am simply highlighting the TYPE of trades that may prove to be valuable for years to come.
Veteran's leadership is a vital tool for young coaches and young players.
Yes, that's what we need: Veteran Leadership. Of course, we're already the 11th oldest team in the league this season, 7th oldest last season, so maybe the issue isn't that we don't have enough veterans but that we suck.
Veterans do not mean Veteran Leaders.
We don't have any Veteran Leaders and that is a huge problem.
Maybe Jose can be that eventually ...
Jose's 35 years old, there is no more "eventually" for him. And I'd love to hear what makes Collison and Perkins veteran leaders.
Jose may be that this year ... not sure that he is the guy.
Collison leads by example. Perfect veteran. Not sure how vocal he is.
Do a google image search for pics of Collison all bloody. A guy who gets plays so hard he gets bloody all the time w/o a care is the kinda player any team needs.
I have always loved the guy. Looks like he is having a rough shooting year so far ... not sure why.
Its probably due to the increased volume due to Durant and Westbrook going down. I mean, he was shooting 3's! LOL. Now that they are back he'll probably settle back down.
His 3's are fine. His 2% is the issue.
Yup, you're right. I Just looked at his stats. Him shooting 3's is a relatively new thing as he never shot them at all until last season when he shot 17 and this year he's already shot 34 of them. But anyway, I assumed that maybe his FG attempts had gone up due to Durant and Westbrook being out but i see that he is only taking 1 more 2pointer a game and youre right he is in a deep slump. Probably average out over time. Maybe just a bad run?
Maybe this is what he would look like on the knicks (without KD and Westbrook)??
mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:VCoug wrote:mreinman wrote:VCoug wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:The point for the OKC trade is actually to help Fisher the coach. Like good coaching, it is imperative to have a vet on the bench to help the young players understand what it is they are doing incorrectly. Like when Kidd and Sheed were on the bench two seasons ago. Or Kidd the coach his first year with the Nets. Without Garnett or Pierce, it would have been a train wreck in Kidd's first year.I am not saying OKC would do the trade; I am simply highlighting the TYPE of trades that may prove to be valuable for years to come.
Veteran's leadership is a vital tool for young coaches and young players.
Yes, that's what we need: Veteran Leadership. Of course, we're already the 11th oldest team in the league this season, 7th oldest last season, so maybe the issue isn't that we don't have enough veterans but that we suck.
Veterans do not mean Veteran Leaders.
We don't have any Veteran Leaders and that is a huge problem.
Maybe Jose can be that eventually ...
Jose's 35 years old, there is no more "eventually" for him. And I'd love to hear what makes Collison and Perkins veteran leaders.
Jose may be that this year ... not sure that he is the guy.
Collison leads by example. Perfect veteran. Not sure how vocal he is.
Do a google image search for pics of Collison all bloody. A guy who gets plays so hard he gets bloody all the time w/o a care is the kinda player any team needs.
I have always loved the guy. Looks like he is having a rough shooting year so far ... not sure why.
Its probably due to the increased volume due to Durant and Westbrook going down. I mean, he was shooting 3's! LOL. Now that they are back he'll probably settle back down.
His 3's are fine. His 2% is the issue.
Yup, you're right. I Just looked at his stats. Him shooting 3's is a relatively new thing as he never shot them at all until last season when he shot 17 and this year he's already shot 34 of them. But anyway, I assumed that maybe his FG attempts had gone up due to Durant and Westbrook being out but i see that he is only taking 1 more 2pointer a game and youre right he is in a deep slump. Probably average out over time. Maybe just a bad run?
Maybe this is what he would look like on the knicks (without KD and Westbrook)??
Ha! But no, I bet he would "veteran leadership" his way to a .750 FG% while also giving Melo media sensitivity training and giving Fish foot massages at the half so he is more calm and level headed in setting his second half rotations....
mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:VCoug wrote:mreinman wrote:VCoug wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:The point for the OKC trade is actually to help Fisher the coach. Like good coaching, it is imperative to have a vet on the bench to help the young players understand what it is they are doing incorrectly. Like when Kidd and Sheed were on the bench two seasons ago. Or Kidd the coach his first year with the Nets. Without Garnett or Pierce, it would have been a train wreck in Kidd's first year.I am not saying OKC would do the trade; I am simply highlighting the TYPE of trades that may prove to be valuable for years to come.
Veteran's leadership is a vital tool for young coaches and young players.
Yes, that's what we need: Veteran Leadership. Of course, we're already the 11th oldest team in the league this season, 7th oldest last season, so maybe the issue isn't that we don't have enough veterans but that we suck.
Veterans do not mean Veteran Leaders.
We don't have any Veteran Leaders and that is a huge problem.
Maybe Jose can be that eventually ...
Jose's 35 years old, there is no more "eventually" for him. And I'd love to hear what makes Collison and Perkins veteran leaders.
Jose may be that this year ... not sure that he is the guy.
Collison leads by example. Perfect veteran. Not sure how vocal he is.
Do a google image search for pics of Collison all bloody. A guy who gets plays so hard he gets bloody all the time w/o a care is the kinda player any team needs.
I have always loved the guy. Looks like he is having a rough shooting year so far ... not sure why.
Its probably due to the increased volume due to Durant and Westbrook going down. I mean, he was shooting 3's! LOL. Now that they are back he'll probably settle back down.
His 3's are fine. His 2% is the issue.
Yup, you're right. I Just looked at his stats. Him shooting 3's is a relatively new thing as he never shot them at all until last season when he shot 17 and this year he's already shot 34 of them. But anyway, I assumed that maybe his FG attempts had gone up due to Durant and Westbrook being out but i see that he is only taking 1 more 2pointer a game and youre right he is in a deep slump. Probably average out over time. Maybe just a bad run?
Maybe this is what he would look like on the knicks (without KD and Westbrook)??
his field goal percentage at the rim looks Ok, but he's taking less of those shots. Nearly half so his shots are threes, but he's onlyrics shooting 35 percent from there. He is 34, so it makes sensemble that he wouldn'the want to hang inside as much. He also doesn'the have the same lift he once had. Whatever the case, Brooks needs to tell him to cut down on the threes.
BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:VCoug wrote:mreinman wrote:VCoug wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:The point for the OKC trade is actually to help Fisher the coach. Like good coaching, it is imperative to have a vet on the bench to help the young players understand what it is they are doing incorrectly. Like when Kidd and Sheed were on the bench two seasons ago. Or Kidd the coach his first year with the Nets. Without Garnett or Pierce, it would have been a train wreck in Kidd's first year.I am not saying OKC would do the trade; I am simply highlighting the TYPE of trades that may prove to be valuable for years to come.
Veteran's leadership is a vital tool for young coaches and young players.
Yes, that's what we need: Veteran Leadership. Of course, we're already the 11th oldest team in the league this season, 7th oldest last season, so maybe the issue isn't that we don't have enough veterans but that we suck.
Veterans do not mean Veteran Leaders.
We don't have any Veteran Leaders and that is a huge problem.
Maybe Jose can be that eventually ...
Jose's 35 years old, there is no more "eventually" for him. And I'd love to hear what makes Collison and Perkins veteran leaders.
Jose may be that this year ... not sure that he is the guy.
Collison leads by example. Perfect veteran. Not sure how vocal he is.
Do a google image search for pics of Collison all bloody. A guy who gets plays so hard he gets bloody all the time w/o a care is the kinda player any team needs.
I have always loved the guy. Looks like he is having a rough shooting year so far ... not sure why.
Its probably due to the increased volume due to Durant and Westbrook going down. I mean, he was shooting 3's! LOL. Now that they are back he'll probably settle back down.
His 3's are fine. His 2% is the issue.
Yup, you're right. I Just looked at his stats. Him shooting 3's is a relatively new thing as he never shot them at all until last season when he shot 17 and this year he's already shot 34 of them. But anyway, I assumed that maybe his FG attempts had gone up due to Durant and Westbrook being out but i see that he is only taking 1 more 2pointer a game and youre right he is in a deep slump. Probably average out over time. Maybe just a bad run?
Maybe this is what he would look like on the knicks (without KD and Westbrook)??
his field goal percentage at the rim looks Ok, but he's taking less of those shots. Nearly half so his shots are threes, but he's onlyrics shooting 35 percent from there. He is 34, so it makes sensemble that he wouldn'the want to hang inside as much. He also doesn'the have the same lift he once had. Whatever the case, Brooks needs to tell him to cut down on the threes.
threes are NOT the issue at all. Its his 2's. At this rate he should take more 3's and fewer 2's between 3 and 22 feet.
mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:VCoug wrote:mreinman wrote:VCoug wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:The point for the OKC trade is actually to help Fisher the coach. Like good coaching, it is imperative to have a vet on the bench to help the young players understand what it is they are doing incorrectly. Like when Kidd and Sheed were on the bench two seasons ago. Or Kidd the coach his first year with the Nets. Without Garnett or Pierce, it would have been a train wreck in Kidd's first year.I am not saying OKC would do the trade; I am simply highlighting the TYPE of trades that may prove to be valuable for years to come.
Veteran's leadership is a vital tool for young coaches and young players.
Yes, that's what we need: Veteran Leadership. Of course, we're already the 11th oldest team in the league this season, 7th oldest last season, so maybe the issue isn't that we don't have enough veterans but that we suck.
Veterans do not mean Veteran Leaders.
We don't have any Veteran Leaders and that is a huge problem.
Maybe Jose can be that eventually ...
Jose's 35 years old, there is no more "eventually" for him. And I'd love to hear what makes Collison and Perkins veteran leaders.
Jose may be that this year ... not sure that he is the guy.
Collison leads by example. Perfect veteran. Not sure how vocal he is.
Do a google image search for pics of Collison all bloody. A guy who gets plays so hard he gets bloody all the time w/o a care is the kinda player any team needs.
I have always loved the guy. Looks like he is having a rough shooting year so far ... not sure why.
Its probably due to the increased volume due to Durant and Westbrook going down. I mean, he was shooting 3's! LOL. Now that they are back he'll probably settle back down.
His 3's are fine. His 2% is the issue.
Yup, you're right. I Just looked at his stats. Him shooting 3's is a relatively new thing as he never shot them at all until last season when he shot 17 and this year he's already shot 34 of them. But anyway, I assumed that maybe his FG attempts had gone up due to Durant and Westbrook being out but i see that he is only taking 1 more 2pointer a game and youre right he is in a deep slump. Probably average out over time. Maybe just a bad run?
Maybe this is what he would look like on the knicks (without KD and Westbrook)??
his field goal percentage at the rim looks Ok, but he's taking less of those shots. Nearly half so his shots are threes, but he's onlyrics shooting 35 percent from there. He is 34, so it makes sensemble that he wouldn'the want to hang inside as much. He also doesn'the have the same lift he once had. Whatever the case, Brooks needs to tell him to cut down on the threes.threes are NOT the issue at all. Its his 2's. At this rate he should take more 3's and fewer 2's between 3 and 22 feet.
he only shoots 32 percent from 3. How can you say he needs to shoot more of them? He needs to take and make more hoops around the basket. That's the issue.
BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:VCoug wrote:mreinman wrote:VCoug wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:The point for the OKC trade is actually to help Fisher the coach. Like good coaching, it is imperative to have a vet on the bench to help the young players understand what it is they are doing incorrectly. Like when Kidd and Sheed were on the bench two seasons ago. Or Kidd the coach his first year with the Nets. Without Garnett or Pierce, it would have been a train wreck in Kidd's first year.I am not saying OKC would do the trade; I am simply highlighting the TYPE of trades that may prove to be valuable for years to come.
Veteran's leadership is a vital tool for young coaches and young players.
Yes, that's what we need: Veteran Leadership. Of course, we're already the 11th oldest team in the league this season, 7th oldest last season, so maybe the issue isn't that we don't have enough veterans but that we suck.
Veterans do not mean Veteran Leaders.
We don't have any Veteran Leaders and that is a huge problem.
Maybe Jose can be that eventually ...
Jose's 35 years old, there is no more "eventually" for him. And I'd love to hear what makes Collison and Perkins veteran leaders.
Jose may be that this year ... not sure that he is the guy.
Collison leads by example. Perfect veteran. Not sure how vocal he is.
Do a google image search for pics of Collison all bloody. A guy who gets plays so hard he gets bloody all the time w/o a care is the kinda player any team needs.
I have always loved the guy. Looks like he is having a rough shooting year so far ... not sure why.
Its probably due to the increased volume due to Durant and Westbrook going down. I mean, he was shooting 3's! LOL. Now that they are back he'll probably settle back down.
His 3's are fine. His 2% is the issue.
Yup, you're right. I Just looked at his stats. Him shooting 3's is a relatively new thing as he never shot them at all until last season when he shot 17 and this year he's already shot 34 of them. But anyway, I assumed that maybe his FG attempts had gone up due to Durant and Westbrook being out but i see that he is only taking 1 more 2pointer a game and youre right he is in a deep slump. Probably average out over time. Maybe just a bad run?
Maybe this is what he would look like on the knicks (without KD and Westbrook)??
his field goal percentage at the rim looks Ok, but he's taking less of those shots. Nearly half so his shots are threes, but he's onlyrics shooting 35 percent from there. He is 34, so it makes sensemble that he wouldn'the want to hang inside as much. He also doesn'the have the same lift he once had. Whatever the case, Brooks needs to tell him to cut down on the threes.threes are NOT the issue at all. Its his 2's. At this rate he should take more 3's and fewer 2's between 3 and 22 feet.
he only shoots 32 percent from 3. How can you say he needs to shoot more of them? He needs to take and make more hoops around the basket. That's the issue.
best shot is withing 0-3. Its not always avail ... next best for him is the 3 (since he has been so awful between 3 feet to the arc). 32% probably equates to an efg of around 50%
mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:H1AND1 wrote:mreinman wrote:VCoug wrote:mreinman wrote:VCoug wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:The point for the OKC trade is actually to help Fisher the coach. Like good coaching, it is imperative to have a vet on the bench to help the young players understand what it is they are doing incorrectly. Like when Kidd and Sheed were on the bench two seasons ago. Or Kidd the coach his first year with the Nets. Without Garnett or Pierce, it would have been a train wreck in Kidd's first year.I am not saying OKC would do the trade; I am simply highlighting the TYPE of trades that may prove to be valuable for years to come.
Veteran's leadership is a vital tool for young coaches and young players.
Yes, that's what we need: Veteran Leadership. Of course, we're already the 11th oldest team in the league this season, 7th oldest last season, so maybe the issue isn't that we don't have enough veterans but that we suck.
Veterans do not mean Veteran Leaders.
We don't have any Veteran Leaders and that is a huge problem.
Maybe Jose can be that eventually ...
Jose's 35 years old, there is no more "eventually" for him. And I'd love to hear what makes Collison and Perkins veteran leaders.
Jose may be that this year ... not sure that he is the guy.
Collison leads by example. Perfect veteran. Not sure how vocal he is.
Do a google image search for pics of Collison all bloody. A guy who gets plays so hard he gets bloody all the time w/o a care is the kinda player any team needs.
I have always loved the guy. Looks like he is having a rough shooting year so far ... not sure why.
Its probably due to the increased volume due to Durant and Westbrook going down. I mean, he was shooting 3's! LOL. Now that they are back he'll probably settle back down.
His 3's are fine. His 2% is the issue.
Yup, you're right. I Just looked at his stats. Him shooting 3's is a relatively new thing as he never shot them at all until last season when he shot 17 and this year he's already shot 34 of them. But anyway, I assumed that maybe his FG attempts had gone up due to Durant and Westbrook being out but i see that he is only taking 1 more 2pointer a game and youre right he is in a deep slump. Probably average out over time. Maybe just a bad run?
Maybe this is what he would look like on the knicks (without KD and Westbrook)??
his field goal percentage at the rim looks Ok, but he's taking less of those shots. Nearly half so his shots are threes, but he's onlyrics shooting 35 percent from there. He is 34, so it makes sensemble that he wouldn'the want to hang inside as much. He also doesn'the have the same lift he once had. Whatever the case, Brooks needs to tell him to cut down on the threes.threes are NOT the issue at all. Its his 2's. At this rate he should take more 3's and fewer 2's between 3 and 22 feet.
he only shoots 32 percent from 3. How can you say he needs to shoot more of them? He needs to take and make more hoops around the basket. That's the issue.best shot is withing 0-3. Its not always avail ... next best for him is the 3 (since he has been so awful between 3 feet to the arc). 32% probably equates to an efg of around 50%
It equates to an efg of slighty below 50 percent. 54 to 65 percent of Collison's shot came at the rim and he had true shooting percentages of about 60 percent the past few years. This year his true shooting percentage is below 50 percent and less than 20 percent of his shots have come at the rim. There other guys on the team like lamb and morrow who should be shooting those 3s. Collision needs to focus on converting offensive rebound and rolling to the basket.